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Post by lurch on Nov 6, 2021 16:43:40 GMT
With the recent ongoing thread on the Mutec reclocker and other forum discussions on reclocking. I thought I would investigate reclocking as a potentially cheap way of lifting my streaming SQ, (I'm currently using a pimped Node2 and pimped Mk1 Jolida Glass fx dac) as its now lagging quite a way behind my analogue & CD replay. However as its not a primary source I didn't want to spunk £800+ on a Mutec to find I got no benefit.
This morning I came across an Audio-GD DI-2014 with the upgraded TCXO clock on ebay so have gone for it as the price was more sensible (<£200).
Are they any good, and is anyone on here using one or had one??
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2021 17:24:07 GMT
With the recent ongoing thread on the Mutec reclocker and other forum discussions on reclocking. I thought I would investigate reclocking as a potentially cheap way of lifting my streaming SQ, (I'm currently using a pimped Node2 and pimped Mk1 Jolida Glass fx dac) as its now lagging quite a way behind my analogue & CD replay. However as its not a primary source I didn't want to spunk £800+ on a Mutec to find I got no benefit. This morning I came across an Audio-GD DI-2014 with the upgraded TCXO clock on ebay so have gone for it as the price was more sensible (<£200). Are they any good, and is anyone on here using one or had one?? Got a link, John? |
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Post by lurch on Nov 6, 2021 17:34:00 GMT
Specs from ebay listing. Built in 5 Groups Fully Discrete Class A power supplies . Built in ultra high performance power supply , don't need external power supply Applies Current Conveyor Technology for coaxial output ( Output 2) Coaxial input support 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz Optical input support 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz USB conversion to I2S output support 16 / 24 / 32-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz , 352kHz , 384kHz Support DSD64 / 128 from I2S output Two model coaxial outputs * : BNC (Applied Current Conveyor Technology,support up to 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz)* RCA (Transformer Transmit insulate ,support up to 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz with most DACs except the Master 7 support up to 96K) And link seller provided. www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/DI2014/DI2014EN.htm |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2021 18:02:10 GMT
Specs from ebay listing. Built in 5 Groups Fully Discrete Class A power supplies . Built in ultra high performance power supply , don't need external power supply Applies Current Conveyor Technology for coaxial output ( Output 2) Coaxial input support 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz Optical input support 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz USB conversion to I2S output support 16 / 24 / 32-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz , 352kHz , 384kHz Support DSD64 / 128 from I2S output Two model coaxial outputs * : BNC (Applied Current Conveyor Technology,support up to 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz)* RCA (Transformer Transmit insulate ,support up to 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz with most DACs except the Master 7 support up to 96K) And link seller provided. www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/DI2014/DI2014EN.htm I'm not entirely sure what this device does, because as far as I can see, it's an interface. So say if you were lacking a connection like Coax, you buy this and it provides it. I'm not sure it will do what a Mutec does. |
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Post by misterc on Nov 6, 2021 18:02:32 GMT
Not bad at all worth a punt usually around £1K in Europe one of our clinets has one of these in a chain of DDC's interesting set up its sits straight after the streamer via USB!
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Post by misterc on Nov 6, 2021 18:07:22 GMT
Sorry this is the one he has my mistake; Not much between the MC3+usb and and the Audio GD model below and it's much closer to Mutec than the Denifrips Gaia imho
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 21:02:52 GMT
The Audio-GD – DI20 is €589 at Audiophonics.
I have just realised it is not the HE version….
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Post by antonio on Nov 7, 2021 0:40:36 GMT
Specs from ebay listing. Built in 5 Groups Fully Discrete Class A power supplies . Built in ultra high performance power supply , don't need external power supply Applies Current Conveyor Technology for coaxial output ( Output 2) Coaxial input support 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz Optical input support 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz USB conversion to I2S output support 16 / 24 / 32-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz , 352kHz , 384kHz Support DSD64 / 128 from I2S output Two model coaxial outputs * : BNC (Applied Current Conveyor Technology,support up to 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz)* RCA (Transformer Transmit insulate ,support up to 16 / 24-Bit ， 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz with most DACs except the Master 7 support up to 96K) And link seller provided. www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/DI2014/DI2014EN.htm I'm looking forward to you getting this set-up and running now that Bigman doesn't know what it does  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 7:10:32 GMT
Sorry this is the one he has my mistake; Not much between the MC3+usb and and the Audio GD model below and it's much closer to Mutec than the Denifrips Gaia imho
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Post by lurch on Nov 7, 2021 7:27:40 GMT
Well according to my reading around, besides being an interface (digital hub) it is also a reclocker that buffers the incoming signal and reclocks it using it's internal TCXO clock before feeding out to a DAC. 🤔
If, and its a BIG if, it actually does seem to do something, either positive or negative, then I may even send it to Oli to play with.
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Post by macca on Nov 7, 2021 7:58:51 GMT
The Chinglish is hard to understand but it does appear to reclock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 8:09:27 GMT
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Post by misterc on Nov 7, 2021 12:08:04 GMT
If you are looking for a halfway house performance wise the SX-6 is an good bet Kevin. Have all if the ddc's currently available. The ddc collection is now up to 12 have been checking them out recently
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Post by rexton on Nov 7, 2021 12:47:39 GMT
Oooo, another reclocker at a reasonable price. Looks intersting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 14:38:00 GMT
If you are looking for a halfway house performance wise the SX-6 is an good bet Kevin. Have all if the ddc's currently available. The ddc collection is now up to 12 have been checking them out recently Apparently the SU-6 measures better than the Mutec? What I would like to know is the difference between the Audio GD He and non HE versions from a sonic perspective. |
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Post by macca on Nov 7, 2021 14:55:10 GMT
If you are looking for a halfway house performance wise the SX-6 is an good bet Kevin. Have all if the ddc's currently available. The ddc collection is now up to 12 have been checking them out recently Apparently the SU-6 measures better than the Mutec? If we go by the measurements none of them do anything. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 7, 2021 14:57:44 GMT
Apparently the SU-6 measures better than the Mutec? If we go by the measurements none of them do anything. I'd ignore those in this case then. |
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Post by misterc on Nov 7, 2021 16:52:59 GMT
If you are looking for a halfway house performance wise the SX-6 is an good bet Kevin. Have all if the ddc's currently available. The ddc collection is now up to 12 have been checking them out recently Apparently the SU-6 measures better than the Mutec? What I would like to know is the difference between the Audio GD He and non HE versions from a sonic perspective. All I can say here is Kevin a listen will tell you more than my analyser can show you same goes for many other products dacs especially The HE version of the Audio is the one I would plump for personally having listened to the rest of the units I have here |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 16:58:15 GMT
Listening to all of them is difficult. Hence the questions, and I appreciate the time you have taken to respond.
Audiophonics seem to have the Singxer and the DI-20 and the HE version.
I suppose I could stretch to the HE, but I am unsure if I would be better with something like the Audio-GD R1 2021 instead.
Finding a Soekris is taking time, and I am yet to find a comparison between the 1541/2541 and the R1.
It appears Audio GD have upped their game recently.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 7, 2021 17:50:28 GMT
Listening to all of them is difficult. Hence the questions, and I appreciate the time you have taken to respond. Audiophonics seem to have the Singxer and the DI-20 and the HE version. I suppose I could stretch to the HE, but I am unsure if I would be better with something like the Audio-GD R1 2021 instead. Finding a Soekris is taking time, and I am yet to find a comparison between the 1541/2541 and the R1. It appears Audio GD have upped their game recently. Alan....a dyed in the wool vinyl man, heard an Octodac Today. To say he was enthusiastic about it is an understatement. May be worth a look |
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Post by misterc on Nov 7, 2021 18:01:20 GMT
What did you feel Oli as that one uses ESS chips
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Post by misterc on Nov 7, 2021 18:04:38 GMT
Listening to all of them is difficult. Hence the questions, and I appreciate the time you have taken to respond. Audiophonics seem to have the Singxer and the DI-20 and the HE version. I suppose I could stretch to the HE, but I am unsure if I would be better with something like the Audio-GD R1 2021 instead. Finding a Soekris is taking time, and I am yet to find a comparison between the 1541/2541 and the R1. It appears Audio GD have upped their game recently. Kevin
For the output just buy both its about a couple of K zero vat for you the dac is good (different from 2451) but its decent for the 2K euro's no brainer imho
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 18:52:40 GMT
Listening to all of them is difficult. Hence the questions, and I appreciate the time you have taken to respond. Audiophonics seem to have the Singxer and the DI-20 and the HE version. I suppose I could stretch to the HE, but I am unsure if I would be better with something like the Audio-GD R1 2021 instead. Finding a Soekris is taking time, and I am yet to find a comparison between the 1541/2541 and the R1. It appears Audio GD have upped their game recently. Alan....a dyed in the wool vinyl man, heard an Octodac Today. To say he was enthusiastic about it is an understatement. May be worth a look Balanced outputs only. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 7, 2021 18:54:15 GMT
Alan....a dyed in the wool vinyl man, heard an Octodac Today. To say he was enthusiastic about it is an understatement. May be worth a look Balanced outputs only. Didn't they make a RCA version recently? |
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Post by stryder5 on Nov 7, 2021 19:43:15 GMT
Listening to all of them is difficult. Hence the questions, and I appreciate the time you have taken to respond. Audiophonics seem to have the Singxer and the DI-20 and the HE version. I suppose I could stretch to the HE, but I am unsure if I would be better with something like the Audio-GD R1 2021 instead. Finding a Soekris is taking time, and I am yet to find a comparison between the 1541/2541 and the R1. It appears Audio GD have upped their game recently. Alan....a dyed in the wool vinyl man, heard an Octodac Today. To say he was enthusiastic about it is an understatement. May be worth a look Cephalopod version? Gary |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 19:48:29 GMT
Didn't they make a RCA version recently? Not that I can find. |
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Post by lurch on Nov 10, 2021 17:24:48 GMT
Well the reclocker has arrived and is plumbed in, I will need to have a play to set up some way of doing an A/B. Probably use optical out from the Node2 into the Jolida and leave the coax to the AudioGD, then swap between the DAC inputs.
First impressions are positive, the sound seems cleaner and tighter with more air, detail and spatial clues. So not bad for a £170 blind punt, and way cheaper than a Mutec. Though I'd still like a trial of one to see if the ££s difference is worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 18:28:59 GMT
Is there any truth in this?
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Post by lurch on Nov 10, 2021 19:16:43 GMT
Well it's been running a couple of hours now (previous owner said he'd not used for about 3 months) and DAMN!!! It's really opened up and come on song now. So much so, I'm thinking sod the A/B test just sit and enjoy one of the cheapest upgrades I've ever made. 😄😄
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 19:17:53 GMT
There is one for sale over here as well. You are tempting me to try one.
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