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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 20:58:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:01:31 GMT
Anyway how come you are posting on here eh! I come on here & all of a sudden your first post appears.. Saying that you'll be back on the Tumbleweed forum slagging me off as per usual.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:01:38 GMT
Oops.
I think he's upset.
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I bet when you had those wonderful imaginary systems you didn't use fucking headphones with em as first choice did yer ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:05:15 GMT
You couldnt make this crap up. For your information i had Sennheiser HD414 in the early 80's & used em all the time..Always been a phones fan regardless of your bullshite
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 21:06:23 GMT
I'm not saying they can't sound stunning. Just that they're not as good and realistic as loudspeakers . They haven't got the physics for starters. How many audio/music lovers do you know that would rather have phones ? You ever been to a concert and been given a pair of headphones ? Nonsense , Andre. And you know it. You’re the first person I’ve heard say that, and I 100% agree. That useless muppet from AVI used to claim tne very opposite. That headphones were an ideal that speakers couldn’t live up to but should aspire to. Utter nonsense from what I’ve heard, I need the sense of acoustic that speakers bring, no headphone I’ve heard even begins to do that. As you rightly say, physics is against them too. I’m sure for many they can be a source of great pleasure but if you need the things they either don’t do, or don’t do well, you’re wasting your time even trying to get them to work for you, For me, being so inexperienced with headphones, I had expectations that there was a pair out there that would do what I now know is impossible. Lately because of the bollox bandied about by the likes of that Ashley bloke. More fool me for believing he might know what he was talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:08:03 GMT
Headphones carry many good advantages. You don't have to worry about room acoustics. And you hear all the information in the recording etc.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 21:08:37 GMT
All I can suggest then is the Grado 325's. I don't play with exotics because the more expensive audio gets the more usually it goes polite and bland ie Koetsu carts. I don't like bland. The 325's are exciting. But an hour max before you get sore ears. I think thre most open sounding I've had were actually some Audio Technica air . They even have their drive units at an angle to sound like they're in front. Big fancy things. I did Like them but i think they're extinct. All in all I think you have to compromise with headphones. I use them when I have to. Never as a preference . I think it's important that you realise they are always inferior to the real thing. I think that's one reason why hi fi is dead. Kids growing up thinking ear buds and headphones sound realistic. I’ve had RS2e which are supposed to better 325s. They have the detail I want but are just too crude and have zero sense of space.,Also dead right on the sore ears front too. I suspect Grados are the only headphone I will find even tolerable though. The rest sound like they have a pillow over each earpiece. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 21:12:02 GMT
Headphones carry many good advantages. You don't have to worry about room acoustics. And you hear all the information in the recording etc. S. Not with most of them. Grados, maybe. I take your point about room acoustics, but what about the recording acoustic? You lose almost all sense, even with something like the AKG. With the grados there is no acoustic at all for me. Maybe you hear it differently, but for me it’s tne biggest weakness. I’m glad other people can get something out of them though. Hell, even celery is liked by some folk lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:13:16 GMT
All I can suggest then is the Grado 325's. I don't play with exotics because the more expensive audio gets the more usually it goes polite and bland ie Koetsu carts. I don't like bland. The 325's are exciting. But an hour max before you get sore ears. I think thre most open sounding I've had were actually some Audio Technica air . They even have their drive units at an angle to sound like they're in front. Big fancy things. I did Like them but i think they're extinct. All in all I think you have to compromise with headphones. I use them when I have to. Never as a preference . I think it's important that you realise they are always inferior to the real thing. I think that's one reason why hi fi is dead. Kids growing up thinking ear buds and headphones sound realistic. I’ve had RS2e which are supposed to better 325s. They have the detail I want but are just too crude and have zero sense of space.,Also dead right on the sore ears front too. I suspect Grados are the only headphone I will find even tolerable though. The rest sound like they have a pillow over each earpiece. Good few Grado fans regard the RS2e as the sweet spot. S. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:14:55 GMT
Westie: At least you admit you dont have experience with Headphone just like Engine does not, that headphone recommendation is a good example . He thinks everything should sound the same as those KEF's do  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:16:53 GMT
I'm not saying they can't sound stunning. Just that they're not as good and realistic as loudspeakers . They haven't got the physics for starters. How many audio/music lovers do you know that would rather have phones ? You ever been to a concert and been given a pair of headphones ? Nonsense , Andre. And you know it. You’re the first person I’ve heard say that, and I 100% agree. That useless muppet from AVI used to c,aim tne very opposite. That headphones were an ideal that speakers couldn’t live up to but should aspire to. Utter nonsense from what I’ve heard, I need the sense of acoustic that speakers bring, no headphone I’ve heard even begins to do that. As you rightly say, physics is against them too. I’m sure for many they can be a source of great pleasure but if you need the things they either don’t do, r don’t do well, you’re wasting your time even trying to get them to work for you, For me, being so inexperienced with headphones, I had expectations that there was a pair out there that would do what I now know is impossible. Lately because of the bollox bandied about by the likes of that Ashley bloke. More fool me for believing he might know what he was talking about. Exactly. And to get rid of room acoustics is in itself unnatural. I've said before that they are a tool for isolation. If all you're interested is isolation and detail then go for it. But out dont sound natural. Live music HAS TO BE the benchmark. And the day I find a concert with speakers directly to the sides of my head and 3mm away from my eardrums with no air in between I might think again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:22:36 GMT
If your talking natural, why your choice is stereo?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 21:23:04 GMT
Westie: At least you admit you dont have experience with Headphone just like Engine does not, that headphone recommendation is a good example . He thinks everything should sound the same as those KEF's do What happened with me was I got some Koss ones when I worked for a Richer Sounds. Terrible things. All the mags said “Sennheiser” so I went through all the ones we could order all the way to 540 Reference 2, I think it was. Utter, utter garbage. So dull it was a joke. Thudding slow bass with plenty pillow effect. They even looked and felt like crap. So in my head I thought headphones = crap. Full stop. Fast forward many years and I read of folk like Jammy spending £1500 on headphones and another £800 on a souped up amp. Then I came across that idiot from AVI preaching his nonsense and began to buy into the BS again, If I’d heard an admission like Engine’s earlier, I’d have thought twice about even trying to get them to work. There are things they simply can’t do well and those things are just too important to the way I enjoy music for me to get anything from them. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 21:25:35 GMT
You’re the first person I’ve heard say that, and I 100% agree. That useless muppet from AVI used to c,aim tne very opposite. That headphones were an ideal that speakers couldn’t live up to but should aspire to. Utter nonsense from what I’ve heard, I need the sense of acoustic that speakers bring, no headphone I’ve heard even begins to do that. As you rightly say, physics is against them too. I’m sure for many they can be a source of great pleasure but if you need the things they either don’t do, r don’t do well, you’re wasting your time even trying to get them to work for you, For me, being so inexperienced with headphones, I had expectations that there was a pair out there that would do what I now know is impossible. Lately because of the bollox bandied about by the likes of that Ashley bloke. More fool me for believing he might know what he was talking about. Exactly. And to get rid of room acoustics is in itself unnatural. I've said before that they are a tool for isolation. If all you're interested is isolation and detail then go for it. But out dont sound natural. Live music HAS TO BE the benchmark. And the day I find a concert with speakers directly to the sides of my head and 3mm away from my eardrums with no air in between I might think again. When you put it like that, it’s an impossible ask. I’d been thinking of what a better headphone for me would be and I immediately thought they need two drivers, they need positioning further away from my ears and also in front of me, and the need a bigger bass driver. I’ve just described speakers! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 21:28:49 GMT
It’s a funny thing, the human brain though. Dave (DSJR) gets loads from headphones and couldn’t see my point when I said there was no soundstage. For him there clearly is, so his brain is creating some sort of illusion for him that mine just can’t or won’t do.
To really put the cat among the pigeons, I’d say CD lovers are able to get their brains to do the same trick in editing out the flat artificial sound of CD. Vinyl is butter to CD’s margarine AFAIC.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:31:57 GMT
Well its all very odd that i can get my headphones to work very well.
Engine winds me up cos he thinks he is right all the time. So what about people that listen to like tiny stand mounters. There is a lot of Dynamic information missing, that missing leads to other things missing, i can assure you that a pair of headphones can create a better dynamic than a tiny pair of speakers.
At the end of the day you know the sound you want to listen to & i for one certainly aint going to do other wise to suite someone else ego. I just prefer headphones & its as simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:45:10 GMT
Well its all very odd that i can get my headphones to work very well. Engine winds me up cos he thinks he is right all the time. So what about people that listen to like tiny stand mounters. There is a lot of Dynamic information missing, that missing leads to other things missing, i can assure you that a pair of headphones can create a better dynamic than a tiny pair of speakers. At the end of the day you know the sound you want to listen to & i for one certainly aint going to do other wise to suite someone else ego. I just prefer headphones & its as simple as that. Well said that! S. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 21:54:14 GMT
At the end of the day, if it works for you, then it works.
One thing I’d like to ask you and Shane though, is where are you when you listen? I used to like to stretch out on the sofa or even a bed. It was one of the reasons for wanting a headphone system. Trouble is you can only lie on your back cos the bloody things get in the way. Do you guys just sit up listening? That feels a bit limiting to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 22:08:49 GMT
Got a listening chair that tilts back.. Or when Fanny Liz is at work ill lay on the sofa
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 22:10:50 GMT
I favour privacy when I listen to music, be it through speakers or headphones. I use my headphones in the bedroom. No one comes in there often.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 22:15:23 GMT
That’s one thing I miss about Duevel Planets. They just filled the room with music so you could sit or lie in any position and it was unaffected. I used to nod off at times but it was a lovely experience.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 22:17:11 GMT
Got a listening chair that tilts back.. Or when Fanny Liz is at work ill lay on the sofa Maybe I need an Eames Classic. One day.....unless I see something else I like better. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 22:19:35 GMT
Every listen to you speakers around the corner
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 22:20:18 GMT
btw cant get those grills off the speakers with the Dental pick i bought. Basterd things
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2019 22:57:49 GMT
What an utter pain. Some idiot has vandalised something beautiful
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 23:00:21 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2019 7:36:46 GMT
I’ve seen amps with twin jacks before but never an adaptor with 4. Removed the drawback of having to share volume settings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 13:28:12 GMT
Not only that you can shove two different line level jobbies in there, switching between the two. So say i got a PC in one & a CD player in another, i could listen to the PC while another person listens to the CD player..
They are meant for studio work. You can get em up to 12 Channels of listening
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 15:57:44 GMT
Well I couldn’t give up on headphones without one last try. I shouldn’t have bothered.
Not having heard Sennheisers in 32 years, I decided to see if they might be better today. In short, I thought they were even worse than I remembered and it was enough for me to rule the brand out for life. The ones l listened to were the £1300 HD800 and they were easily the worst headphones I’ve tried. Bland, dull and stodgy, they would be soggy dumplings if they were a food.
My last encounter with Sennheisers put me off headphones for 30 years.i hope that today’s experience deters me from messing around with headphones for a similar period. I’m happy for anyone who gets something from Sennheisers or any headphone, but for the life of me, I can’t hear anything that elevates the best of them above a midi system.
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