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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 11:20:27 GMT
Giving these the once over. Class D with some utterly impressive specs.   |
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Post by macca on Aug 15, 2019 12:12:34 GMT
Just been reading this review of them here theaudiobeatnik.com/reviewing-the-orchard-audio-bosc-monoblocks/
he likes them a lot but some of the stuff he comes out with is bizarre:
Once in front of the speakers, the details in the high-end pulled me into the recording. They were so clear and present without being brittle, too aggressive or fatiguing. It was like someone had replaced the little silk dome tweeters on the PMC speakers with something similar to ribbons
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Next came In Session with Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughan, as it always tickles me to hear blues through digital gear. It kind of just seems so wrong
WTF?
There seems to be loads of these little review blogs now and they are all littered with these ridiculous statements.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:40:57 GMT
I'm starting to hate these Hi-Fi reviews. Sorry, but I find most of them so false and pathetic.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 15, 2019 12:46:09 GMT
I got bored, started skim reading then gave up after about 30 seconds. When you have Linn Kans to listen to, time is precious!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 14:29:48 GMT
Just been reading this review of them here theaudiobeatnik.com/reviewing-the-orchard-audio-bosc-monoblocks/
he likes them a lot but some of the stuff he comes out with is bizarre:
Once in front of the speakers, the details in the high-end pulled me into the recording. They were so clear and present without being brittle, too aggressive or fatiguing. It was like someone had replaced the little silk dome tweeters on the PMC speakers with something similar to ribbons
Eh?
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Next came In Session with Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughan, as it always tickles me to hear blues through digital gear. It kind of just seems so wrong
WTF?
There seems to be loads of these little review blogs now and they are all littered with these ridiculous statements.
And why is he cleaning the house instead of listening properly? Doesn't he have a wife? Yes a bit odd isn't it. |
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Post by scotty38 on Aug 15, 2019 14:52:51 GMT
Not being funny but watch those speaker connections, looks like the +ve in the top picture is going to pop out.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 15, 2019 15:10:52 GMT
Not being funny but watch those speaker connections, looks like the +ve in the top picture is going to pop out. Well spotted! |
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Post by dsjr on Aug 15, 2019 15:34:54 GMT
Subjective bloggers are to me the worst of them all. Jumped up prats who want to be heard and who speak the audiophool speak (maybe it takes one to know one, ymmv). There's a cartridge bod on Youtube who seriously grinds my gears. He says he hates 'digital' so that alone colours both his and my sensibilities and absolutely no reference to a known good sonic reference for his comparisons, so it's all his personal uneducated opinion at that moment and really no use to anyone... Send him to a bloody studio first so he can see how records are mastered and cut and get an idea what it should sound like!
I expect those amps to be very good indeed and any measurable distortion way below our abilities to hear it. I *think* current top quality Class D amps are absolutely benign where speaker loads are concerned, seem good now at all audio frequencies and the extra power means no soft clipping at normal levels so a more effortless and less compressed presentation, maybe making the effect slightly dry compared to soft clippers more usually used domestically. Orchard have too much of a rep at stake to inflict crap on unsuspecting punters... Tiny too, so you could almost hide them away rather than show them off as a badge of honour as many stereo's seem to be presented...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 15:38:17 GMT
Not being funny but watch those speaker connections, looks like the +ve in the top picture is going to pop out. Nah, they are all good. I checked. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 15:58:16 GMT
Subjective bloggers are to me the worst of them all. Jumped up prats who want to be heard and who speak the audiophool speak (maybe it takes one to know one, ymmv). There's a cartridge bod on Youtube who seriously grinds my gears. He says he hates 'digital' so that alone colours both his and my sensibilities and absolutely no reference to a known good sonic reference for his comparisons, so it's all his personal uneducated opinion at that moment and really no use to anyone... Send him to a bloody studio first so he can see how records are mastered and cut and get an idea what it should sound like! I expect those amps to be very good indeed and any measurable distortion way below our abilities to hear it. I *think* current top quality Class D amps are absolutely benign where speaker loads are concerned, seem good now at all audio frequencies and the extra power means no soft clipping at normal levels so a more effortless and less compressed presentation, maybe making the effect slightly dry compared to soft clippers more usually used domestically. Orchard have too much of a rep at stake to inflict crap on unsuspecting punters... Tiny too, so you could almost hide them away rather than show them off as a badge of honour as many stereo's seem to be presented... They are supposed to be on extremely short speaker wires and hidden behind the speakers but I haven't got anything short enough to try that with. Sonically, they are incessantly clean and don't seem to impart anything on the sound. Macca would love these. I'm impressed so far but they need to open up a touch. Everything still feels a bit "fresh out the factory". |
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Post by dsjr on Aug 15, 2019 16:36:14 GMT
They won't compress. I have a hunch that amps with proper dynamic range don't sound as 'cosy' and 'atmospheric' as those which compress, soft clip or have what I know as narrow power bandwidths, thes elatter possibly 'rounding off' high frequencies.. My ancient Crown D-150 is like this an dback in the early 70's, 90WPC was seen as very powerful indeed, the DC300A regarded as an animal at 175WPC minimum. When there's atmosphere in the recording, it's there, but if not it isn't, the amp not adding its own flavour all over the music as other amps I have here do.
While your ears are 'opening up' to them, just see if the sound changes more with different recordings played via them. if it does, job done for the amp designer. If every recording sounds the same, I'd worry a bit and wait for the Neurochrome to arrive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 16:53:39 GMT
They won't compress. I have a hunch that amps with proper dynamic range don't sound as 'cosy' and 'atmospheric' as those which compress, soft clip or have what I know as narrow power bandwidths, thes elatter possibly 'rounding off' high frequencies.. My ancient Crown D-150 is like this an dback in the early 70's, 90WPC was seen as very powerful indeed, the DC300A regarded as an animal at 175WPC minimum. When there's atmosphere in the recording, it's there, but if not it isn't, the amp not adding its own flavour all over the music as other amps I have here do. While your ears are 'opening up' to them, just see if the sound changes more with different recordings played via them. if it does, job done for the amp designer. If every recording sounds the same, I'd worry a bit and wait for the Neurochrome to arrive. Oh they definitely sound different with every album I've played. No doubt about that. Listening to some classical via Vinyl, which is rare for me but these amps are exceptionally quick. Fleet of foot so to speak. Nimble maybe but everything is stop start on a 5pnce. They are doing stuff the Krell didn't manage but at the same time, that Krell slam and the mahoosive dynamic swings aren't there in the same degree. Listening to this classical album, I am seriously feeling like I'm at the Queens Garden party. It has a really refined and dignified way of delivering the music. I'll be putting some Metallica through them tomorrow to see how they handle that. So far, so good. |
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Post by sq225917 on Aug 15, 2019 21:50:15 GMT
Analogue YouTube blogger hates digital, oooh the irony.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 16, 2019 5:59:06 GMT
It was the part about wanting his heart to stop that really put me off. Overkill.
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Post by antonio on Aug 16, 2019 9:59:12 GMT
$1499.  You can buy a really good amp for that, and there are new classD I've seen (names escape me) which look a lot better value than these. |
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You can buy a really good amp for that, and there are new classD I've seen (names escape me) which look a lot better value than these.