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Post by stryder5 on Sept 23, 2024 17:43:28 GMT
Not the nail trick again Gary
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 5, 2024 12:35:52 GMT
In a move that would see me at a polar opposite of other forum members, i have invested into a foo object that IMO needs some investigation.
After discovering a Synergistic Research Orange fuse in my X50D, i have bought another! The reson being that even compared to a very well made ceramic fuse, the Orange seems to subtly change the presentation. Obviously, with it being in the X50D, it makes little sense as thats just pushing 1's and 0's into the DAC, but still...something is happening, of that i am sure.
It seems the Orange range is discontinued, so buying them looks to be a short lived event, so I may pick up one more to complete the trio. At £80 a pop, it's not a cheap experiment.
In other news, the Wireworld Chroma 7 is proving to be further evidence that these guys know what they are doing. I have been a huge fan of their Eclipse AES cables so i bought with confidence, but for £20 on ebay, this has to be one of the best purchases for SQ VS cost i have ever made. The HDMI is miles better than the Sony one i was using.
I am also watching a pair of Speaker Cables, which i won't mention yet, but if i get my way, a VERY interesting pair may be winging their way here soon.
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Post by firebottle on Oct 5, 2024 19:27:34 GMT
Can you get me one of the Orange fuses if you are re-ordering please?
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 5, 2024 19:27:40 GMT
In a move that would see me at a polar opposite of other forum members, i have invested into a foo object that IMO needs some investigation. After discovering a Synergistic Research Orange fuse in my X50D, i have bought another! The reson being that even compared to a very well made ceramic fuse, the Orange seems to subtly change the presentation. Obviously, with it being in the X50D, it makes little sense as thats just pushing 1's and 0's into the DAC, but still...something is happening, of that i am sure. It seems the Orange range is discontinued, so buying them looks to be a short lived event, so I may pick up one more to complete the trio. At £80 a pop, it's not a cheap experiment. In other news, the Wireworld Chroma 7 is proving to be further evidence that these guys know what they are doing. I have been a huge fan of their Eclipse AES cables so i bought with confidence, but for £20 on ebay, this has to be one of the best purchases for SQ VS cost i have ever made. The HDMI is miles better than the Sony one i was using. I am also watching a pair of Speaker Cables, which i won't mention yet, but if i get my way, a VERY interesting pair may be winging their way here soon. Foo fuses eh? What's the audio addicts equivalent of "You ok Hun? " ? 🤣
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 5, 2024 19:29:35 GMT
In a move that would see me at a polar opposite of other forum members, i have invested into a foo object that IMO needs some investigation. After discovering a Synergistic Research Orange fuse in my X50D, i have bought another! The reson being that even compared to a very well made ceramic fuse, the Orange seems to subtly change the presentation. Obviously, with it being in the X50D, it makes little sense as thats just pushing 1's and 0's into the DAC, but still...something is happening, of that i am sure. It seems the Orange range is discontinued, so buying them looks to be a short lived event, so I may pick up one more to complete the trio. At £80 a pop, it's not a cheap experiment. In other news, the Wireworld Chroma 7 is proving to be further evidence that these guys know what they are doing. I have been a huge fan of their Eclipse AES cables so i bought with confidence, but for £20 on ebay, this has to be one of the best purchases for SQ VS cost i have ever made. The HDMI is miles better than the Sony one i was using. I am also watching a pair of Speaker Cables, which i won't mention yet, but if i get my way, a VERY interesting pair may be winging their way here soon. Foo fuses eh? What's the audio addicts equivalent of "You ok Hun? " ? 🤣 😂😂 I am ok, actually more than ok.....I'm en-fuse-isastic!!!
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Post by rexton on Oct 5, 2024 19:32:47 GMT
Has anyone experimented with Schukco plugs? Getting rid of the fuse in your mains lead could be beneficial.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 5, 2024 21:06:05 GMT
Has anyone experimented with Schukco plugs? Getting rid of the fuse in your mains lead could be beneficial. Yup, I already have those. One fuse on the wall plug, which I suppose is another to change!
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 6, 2024 11:52:23 GMT
Foo fuses eh? What's the audio addicts equivalent of "You ok Hun? " ? 🤣 😂😂 I am ok, actually more than ok.....I'm en-fuse-isastic!!! You need to ban yourself for that pun there. 😡!
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 6, 2024 21:36:40 GMT
The auction did not go my way today, so the speaker cables will be remaining on my wish list for now.
They went for around the same price I have seen them advertsised for RRP, so either they are highly sought after or they are now discontinued and I'm late to the party again.
I'll have to do some digging
In other news, I've had to adjust my resistor value for the HF on my speakers since plugging in the X50D with LPSU. It seems the X50D with SMPS required higher resistance to tame the HF than the LPSU version.
I am intrigued by this, but not surprised. SMPS kit has always had something a bit hard and edgy about it to my ears, regardless of what it is in. I'm now super keen to get the SMPS out of the Purifi!
That'll be next after the X50D this week 😊
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 8, 2024 19:01:02 GMT
I am having a bit of a "whats going on here" moment.
A few days back i discovered an SR Orange fuse in the X50D, as you may likely remember. Since then i have bought another for the Avalon BT2, which i fitted yesterday. I know you are expecting me to be raving about the sound at this point, and in ways i would love to. However, in other ways it felt like a large step back from where i wanted to be. The sound was too clean, too lean and generally HiFi in the extreme. The LF weight and power had been almost totally removed. Odd.
Today, I listened again and still wasn't convinced it was for me. I had a little bit of maintenance i wanted to do in the ABT2, so i carted it off to the garage and did absolutely nothing. Not a thing. The phone rang and i lost about 4 hours of my life to work...again.
I finished the call and went to pick up the ABT2 to just put it back in the system when i spotted some feet i had been given a while back. They are the metal disks with 3x ball bearings between them. Designed to sort of convert vibration into micro movements..you know the sort. I picked them up and took them with me. I installed the ABT2 back into the system and put the feet under. Pressed play on Miracle Mile - The Unseen Guest and couldn't believe what i was hearing. The LF was back, the HIFI levels of transparency remained, the soundstage was miles better separated and the vocals had humanised again.
I haven't been brave enough to take the feet out to see if my silicone feet had been to blame, or if something was not connected properly after all the shuffling about to get the SR orange fuse in, but i suppose i am going to have to.
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Post by optical on Oct 8, 2024 19:16:10 GMT
Put some Auva 50's under your rack, job done.
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Post by robbiegong on Oct 8, 2024 20:41:33 GMT
I am having a bit of a "whats going on here" moment. A few days back i discovered an SR Orange fuse in the X50D, as you may likely remember. Since then i have bought another for the Avalon BT2, which i fitted yesterday. I know you are expecting me to be raving about the sound at this point, and in ways i would love to. However, in other ways it felt like a large step back from where i wanted to be. The sound was too clean, too lean and generally HiFi in the extreme. The LF weight and power had been almost totally removed. Odd. Today, I listened again and still wasn't convinced it was for me. I had a little bit of maintenance i wanted to do in the ABT2, so i carted it off to the garage and did absolutely nothing. Not a thing. The phone rang and i lost about 4 hours of my life to work...again. I finished the call and went to pick up the ABT2 to just put it back in the system when i spotted some feet i had been given a while back. They are the metal disks with 3x ball bearings between them. Designed to sort of convert vibration into micro movements..you know the sort. I picked them up and took them with me. I installed the ABT2 back into the system and put the feet under. Pressed play on Miracle Mile - The Unseen Guest and couldn't believe what i was hearing. The LF was back, the HIFI levels of transparency remained, the soundstage was miles better separated and the vocals had humanised again. I haven't been brave enough to take the feet out to see if my silicone feet had been to blame, or if something was not connected properly after all the shuffling about to get the SR orange fuse in, but i suppose i am going to have to. Also remember burn in Olster, which I certainly believe plays it's part, explainable or otherwise. I've had The Hi-Fi Tuning Gold plated Silver Ceramic 13 Amp fuses in my mains plugs for years and those kind of things take a while to 'settle' also in all fairness, best to listen while things are properly warmed up as well, before any critical listening, over a period of time
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 9, 2024 4:39:22 GMT
A few years ago I played around with some "hifi fuses". IIRC without exception they made the sound leaner than a normal fuse. ... which had the effect of making the sound seem more transparent and detailed - less bass to muddy things up.
I came to the conclusion they were just introducing a tonal anomaly which wasn't really welcome. They were just randomly set, fixed tone controls. You may like the effect, or not.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 13, 2024 17:22:38 GMT
More mysterious Fuse shenanigans today.
Since the last update to the blog, the SR Orange fuses have been left in situ, however the X50D has received it's new LPSU (thanks Alan)
It's sounded pretty closed in since it came back. So much so that i have suspected an issue. I have measured and measured and can't find anything, but the system just hasn't sounded right. I have been toying with the idea of wiring directly from the RFI filter to the Shucko box and bypassing the IEC and fuse entirely, however, a nugget of info caught my attention this week which i thought i would try first.
The nugget of info suggested that if your fuse rating was WAY too large for the application, it could have a detrimental effect. Why? Something to do with having to move more molecules with less current than if you had a higher current....i didn't get into the details.
So, with the help of Alans breakout box i measured the Amps being drawn through the Shucko power bank by the DAC, the Avalon OBX and the X50D. It was under 3A, so i went to the garage, found a 3A fuse and put it in, dispensing with the 13A rated one!
It's night and day in terms of HF extension and detail again. The sound is now free of the speakers again, just like it was with Alans X50D in the system. So, either one of two things has happened. The 3A fuse made a difference, or simply switching off the X50D (and other bits) and putting it back on after a few minutes has solved the issue i couldn't find.
Not sure which, but i am really happy lol I thought i was going to have to redo the LPSU!
I have some other resistors coming to have a little play with values for the tweeter setting with a view to getting some Mills for the XO. Should be an interesting few weeks.
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Post by pete on Oct 13, 2024 17:41:59 GMT
More mysterious Fuse shenanigans today. Since the last update to the blog, the SR Orange fuses have been left in situ, however the X50D has received it's new LPSU (thanks Alan) It's sounded pretty closed in since it came back. So much so that i have suspected an issue. I have measured and measured and can't find anything, but the system just hasn't sounded right. I have been toying with the idea of wiring directly from the RFI filter to the Shucko box and bypassing the IEC and fuse entirely, however, a nugget of info caught my attention this week which i thought i would try first. The nugget of info suggested that if your fuse rating was WAY too large for the application, it could have a detrimental effect. Why? Something to do with having to move more molecules with less current than if you had a higher current....i didn't get into the details. So, with the help of Alans breakout box i measured the Amps being drawn through the Shucko power bank by the DAC, the Avalon OBX and the X50D. It was under 3A, so i went to the garage, found a 3A fuse and put it in, dispensing with the 13A rated one! It's night and day in terms of HF extension and detail again. The sound is now free of the speakers again, just like it was with Alans X50D in the system. So, either one of two things has happened. The 3A fuse made a difference, or simply switching off the X50D (and other bits) and putting it back on after a few minutes has solved the issue i couldn't find. Not sure which, but i am really happy lol I thought i was going to have to redo the LPSU! I have some other resistors coming to have a little play with values for the tweeter setting with a view to getting some Mills for the XO. Should be an interesting few weeks. Strange magic in electricity! Easily checkable though. Any chance you are going to swap the fuse back😁
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 13, 2024 18:41:01 GMT
More mysterious Fuse shenanigans today. Since the last update to the blog, the SR Orange fuses have been left in situ, however the X50D has received it's new LPSU (thanks Alan) It's sounded pretty closed in since it came back. So much so that i have suspected an issue. I have measured and measured and can't find anything, but the system just hasn't sounded right. I have been toying with the idea of wiring directly from the RFI filter to the Shucko box and bypassing the IEC and fuse entirely, however, a nugget of info caught my attention this week which i thought i would try first. The nugget of info suggested that if your fuse rating was WAY too large for the application, it could have a detrimental effect. Why? Something to do with having to move more molecules with less current than if you had a higher current....i didn't get into the details. So, with the help of Alans breakout box i measured the Amps being drawn through the Shucko power bank by the DAC, the Avalon OBX and the X50D. It was under 3A, so i went to the garage, found a 3A fuse and put it in, dispensing with the 13A rated one! It's night and day in terms of HF extension and detail again. The sound is now free of the speakers again, just like it was with Alans X50D in the system. So, either one of two things has happened. The 3A fuse made a difference, or simply switching off the X50D (and other bits) and putting it back on after a few minutes has solved the issue i couldn't find. Not sure which, but i am really happy lol I thought i was going to have to redo the LPSU! I have some other resistors coming to have a little play with values for the tweeter setting with a view to getting some Mills for the XO. Should be an interesting few weeks. Strange magic in electricity! Easily checkable though. Any chance you are going to swap the fuse back😁 Nope
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Post by pete on Oct 13, 2024 19:57:17 GMT
Strange magic in electricity! Easily checkable though. Any chance you are going to swap the fuse back😁 Nope
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 13, 2024 20:47:29 GMT
I have cheap nasty resistors on the HF at the moment, so I'll have to have a play in the coming days with a few values to be sure where I want to stay, but even with the crap ressis the sound is really good. There's a TEAC CDT on eBay which I very nearly pulled the trigger on, but the X50D is now singing, so I've taken it off the watchlist.
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Post by firebottle on Oct 14, 2024 7:04:00 GMT
Molecular science (?) now, I love it.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 14, 2024 8:03:41 GMT
Molecular science (?) now, I love it. The answers must be somewhere!
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 15, 2024 17:02:28 GMT
I despair...
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 15, 2024 17:26:02 GMT
😂 You won't be the only one.
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Post by alit on Oct 16, 2024 10:47:46 GMT
I have cheap nasty resistors on the HF at the moment, so I'll have to have a play in the coming days with a few values to be sure where I want to stay, but even with the crap ressis the sound is really good. There's a TEAC CDT on eBay which I very nearly pulled the trigger on, but the X50D is now singing, so I've taken it off the watchlist. I like the Path Audio resistors I use in my crossovers, give them a go if you haven't already.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 16, 2024 23:21:57 GMT
Sometimes you have to go back to basics and eliminate some foo.
Today, still unhappy with what I was hearing from the system, I decided to bypass the Mahoosive RFI filter in the new PSU for the X50D and bypass the fuse while I was at it.
It appeared any benefit of fitting a new mains fuse to the plug on the shucko box was short lived, and evidently whether it was 3A or 13A...it didn't appear to matter. Once they had power going through them for 24hrs they both sounded exactly the same as far as I could tell.
So, with that in mind I pressed on, and yes, whilst it's not quite legal these days to have no fuses until the wall plug, but with the understanding I wasnt going to leave the X50D unattended during the experiment, I went ahead anyway. So, effectively now the X50D is directly hard wired to the mains cable, and immediately upon switch on, the difference was abundantly clear.
I also opted to use a well used cable for the mains to try and avoid any potential "new cable" magic.
Listening is now very pleasurable again, but can I leave a 2A device hard wired with no fuse....I guess I'll have to try and see how sensitive the RCB is in the property CU.
If I can trip it with a short across 5v...maybe I will stay hard wired.
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 17, 2024 9:13:34 GMT
Molecular science (?) now, I love it. That's almost as bad as Quantum. 😂
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