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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 23:55:52 GMT
This madness has taken over the internet recently. This is the stuff the Japanese think should go in to the box.    I'm gonna try it, only £20ish for a giggle. |
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Post by antonio on Feb 7, 2019 3:44:52 GMT
Might work for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 8:36:11 GMT
I doubt it. I have a suspension it helps digital systems which mine is not. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 8:49:40 GMT
You forgot the Galena  and Germanium  They both have unusual characteristics. Check it out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 8:50:58 GMT
You forgot the Galena and Germanium They both have unusual characteristics. Check it out. Will do. We could have an exhaustive list by the time this is finished. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:07:40 GMT
Personally, I think you could fill the box with dog turds and nobody would be any the wiser!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:21:35 GMT
Personally, I think you could fill the box with dog turds and nobody would be any the wiser! Lol Yup. I am a bit baffled by all of this tbh. Like cable risers. Why would they make any difference?! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:55:07 GMT
It's the 'sheep mentality'. People used to think burning witches was a good idea but grew out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 10:11:16 GMT
It's the 'sheep mentality'. People used to think burning witches was a good idea but grew out of it. Lmao, classic. |
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Post by pauld on Feb 7, 2019 11:06:40 GMT
This is one of those try before you buy scenarios. Why wouldn't they work?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 11:22:26 GMT
This is one of those try before you buy scenarios. Why wouldn't they work? "Work" as in how or what? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 11:23:16 GMT
This is one of those try before you buy scenarios. Why wouldn't they work? I have a theory that these things soak up the "noise" generated by the components in a digital system. I will admit that most of this is beyond either A) My understanding or B) Interest lol My system is very traditional and thus I think it won't have such/any effect in mine. I'll try it though. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 7, 2019 11:25:09 GMT
I've got an open mind about the possibility it could have some effect.
I've got a firmly closed mind about the price tag and the marketing guff that surrounds it. Madness...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 11:26:19 GMT
I've got an open mind about the possibility it could have some effect. I've got a firmly closed mind about the price tag and the marketing guff that surrounds it. Madness... Spot on. The price is outrageous. Saying that, we don't know what's in them with any certainty. I doubt it's £1k worth of stuff |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 7, 2019 11:48:18 GMT
I've got an open mind about the possibility it could have some effect. I've got a firmly closed mind about the price tag and the marketing guff that surrounds it. Madness... Spot on. The price is outrageous. Saying that, we don't know what's in them with any certainty. I doubt it's £1k worth of stuff If I were charging £2k I would be going out of my way to explain in plain language exactly why it cost 'a lot' to make. It's not 'secret information'. Any competitor can buy one and take it apart. I'm afraid that the marketing bull leaves a bad taste in my mouth... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:04:54 GMT
Spot on. The price is outrageous. Saying that, we don't know what's in them with any certainty. I doubt it's £1k worth of stuff If I were charging £2k I would be going out of my way to explain in plain language exactly why it cost 'a lot' to make. It's not 'secret information'. Any competitor can buy one and take it apart. I'm afraid that the marketing bull leaves a bad taste in my mouth... There's a lot of marketing out there that leaves a lot to be desired. Secret sauce is something I understand and yes, people can buy one and take it apart but according to reports your need a metallurgical report to know for sure what it is. I'd defend the right to secrecy but some form of measurement or other qualifying report to its effectiveness would be welcome. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 7, 2019 12:13:38 GMT
If I were charging £2k I would be going out of my way to explain in plain language exactly why it cost 'a lot' to make. It's not 'secret information'. Any competitor can buy one and take it apart. I'm afraid that the marketing bull leaves a bad taste in my mouth... There's a lot of marketing out there that leaves a lot to be desired. Absolutely. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 7, 2019 12:18:19 GMT
If I were charging £2k I would be going out of my way to explain in plain language exactly why it cost 'a lot' to make. It's not 'secret information'. Any competitor can buy one and take it apart. I'm afraid that the marketing bull leaves a bad taste in my mouth... Secret sauce is something I understand and yes, people can buy one and take it apart but according to reports your need a metallurgical report to know for sure what it is. You think that the manufacturer has created a whole new substance? I don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:20:32 GMT
Secret sauce is something I understand and yes, people can buy one and take it apart but according to reports your need a metallurgical report to know for sure what it is. You think that the manufacturer has created a whole new substance? I don't. No, I certainly don't believe an entirely new material has been created, I am only repeating what has been said elsewhere. It's highly likely the material is a common enough material but due to be 100% sure, you may need a bit of scientific expertise! |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 7, 2019 12:25:07 GMT
You think that the manufacturer has created a whole new substance? I don't. It's highly likely the material is a common enough material but due to be 100% sure, you may need a bit of scientific expertise! Well, you might need someone who recognises the material... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:33:57 GMT
It's highly likely the material is a common enough material but due to be 100% sure, you may need a bit of scientific expertise! Well, you might need someone who recognises the material... Well, yes. Not always as easy as it sounds but I'm sure there's someone somewhere with the capability |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 7, 2019 12:53:30 GMT
Well, you might need someone who recognises the material... Well, yes. Not always as easy as it sounds but I'm sure there's someone somewhere with the capability My suspicion is that this particular 'maker' has tried lots of different materials, plumped for the material (or combination of materials) that he thinks is 'best' and that he thinks that no-one else is using, had a look at what prices others are 'getting away with' and then added another chunk on to that... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:57:31 GMT
Well, yes. Not always as easy as it sounds but I'm sure there's someone somewhere with the capability My suspicion is that this particular 'maker' has tried lots of different materials, plumped for the material (or combination of materials) that he thinks is 'best' and that he thinks that no-one else is using, had a look at what prices others are 'getting away with' and then added another chunk on to that... I don't know what he's using and to be honest haven't really looked at anything he's doing. What's interesting is that whether there's any merit to the box or not, everyone, over multiple forums is talking about Coherent. That is free publicity and I'm sure he'll be ecstatic with the attention, I would be! He's got users of his kit chiming in so I'm inclined to believe there's something in it but I just don't know what. Again, I doubt the cost is justified buy what is in hifi. |
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Post by macca on Feb 7, 2019 13:11:58 GMT
The cost and the efficacy are two different arguments.
The first thing that has to be established is does it work.
Second thing is how does it work
Third thing is how inexpensively the effect can be obtained.
No point in debating the third point until the first and second have been established.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 13:13:44 GMT
The cost and the efficacy are two different arguments. The first thing that has to be established is does it work. Second thing is how does it work Third thing is how inexpensively the effect can be obtained. No point in debating the third point until the first and second have been established. Yep. Agreed. We need to get hold of one! |
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Post by macca on Feb 7, 2019 13:18:02 GMT
As soon as a sales pitch starts involving lies, obfuscation, bullshit or invokes unknown science or 'unknown unknowns' that's when I walk away. There's no need for any of that if you have a solid product that does what it says on the tin.
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Post by macca on Feb 7, 2019 13:20:16 GMT
The cost and the efficacy are two different arguments. The first thing that has to be established is does it work. Second thing is how does it work Third thing is how inexpensively the effect can be obtained. No point in debating the third point until the first and second have been established. Yep. Agreed. We need to get hold of one! Yes I would like a try. Someone has offered me what seems like a credible explanation for how it might work. If it is correct there is no need to spend thousands to obtain the same effect (hardly a surprise I know). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 13:20:27 GMT
As soon as a sales pitch starts involving lies, obfuscation, bullshit or invokes unknown science or 'unknown unknowns' that's when I walk away. There's no need for any of that if you have a solid product that does what it says on the tin. When you put it that way.....,😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 13:21:41 GMT
Yep. Agreed. We need to get hold of one! Yes I would like a try. Someone has offered me what seems like a credible explanation for how it might work. If it is correct there is no need to spend thousands to obtain the same effect (hardly a surprise I know). As usual. The veil will be removed and the budget/diy market will provide a sensible alternative. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 7, 2019 16:58:02 GMT
I see no reason why these should cost 3 figures let alone 4. Unless you want a box and grounding material made from some semi precious material. In which case it becomes jewellery.
The fact that there’s no definitive line on why they work, isn’t necessarily a turn off for me. Lots of scientific discoveries were once seen as “magic” or deception. I’m sure the future will be no different. All I really care about is whether it makes the sound better for me and could I get one as cheaply as possible.
That said, I’m not at all keen on extra boxes and I fecking hate wires so it would have to be something significant to make me inclined to bother, even if it wasn’t free. My “faffometer” is more and more sensitive to any form of hassle these days.
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