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Post by Bigman80 on May 4, 2018 9:28:15 GMT
Great one here of the Project turntable factory:
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 18:07:10 GMT
Bit intense, but very fun watch -
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Post by Bigman80 on May 4, 2018 18:40:50 GMT
Those Kenrick guys really love their big JBLs, they always sound like a hard PA to me. Maybe different in the flesh though. Anyone heard a pair?
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Post by Bigman80 on May 4, 2018 19:08:50 GMT
I really enjoyed this look inside McIntosh. It's made me want one again, but it would have to be a newer one.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 0:28:12 GMT
I have heard a few big Tannoys in my time and I can’t understand how they have made a comeback. They sound terrible to me and always have. So shouty and nothing like real people playing. They are like a ghetto blaster from the land of the giants!
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Post by Bigman80 on May 7, 2018 20:50:00 GMT
Lovely pair of Apogees.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 21:54:42 GMT
Those Kenrick guys really love their big JBLs, they always sound like a hard PA to me. Maybe different in the flesh though. Anyone heard a pair? Yes Andrew, I agree. Find their sound presentation/style a tad obnoxious for my ears. But I'll always have little respect for Kenrick's passion. S. |
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Post by Bigman80 on May 7, 2018 22:33:33 GMT
Yes they are crazily obsessive and really care about the work they do. I have to respect that. I have listened to quite a few JBL vids lately and they are speakers I think I'd avoid. They seem to have a bit of forum hype behind them lately. I wonder how many have actually heard and liked them and how many are just agreeing so as not to be the odd one out? So many people write about them as though they know them inside out, but I wonder where they could've all come across them? I've never seen a pair, don't know of any UK dealers who had them in my day and have never had a mate or acquaintance who has owned or heard them. Maybe Kentick have just hoovered up every pair in existence  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 22:40:40 GMT
Some people will only buy those refurbished JBL's, based on their 'good looks'.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 21:57:19 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on May 12, 2018 12:09:29 GMT
I've seen one of his before. He's very down to earth and pretty much spot on in his views. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 21:23:36 GMT
Just unsubscribed from both AVshowreports & AVshowrooms. Peter Breuninger most likely has better hearing than me. But he really does talk crap 95 % most of the time.
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Post by antonio on May 24, 2018 4:30:35 GMT
Make that 99%.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 13:16:50 GMT
Sounds more accurate!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 17:08:59 GMT
I quite like this chaps system running ES14's. Maybe it's the camera's mic clipping. Sounds a tad peaky.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 11, 2018 19:00:02 GMT
They really to be further apart to image properly. I’m surprised he’s using a su , cos Epos go pretty low.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 19:04:13 GMT
I think his sub is switched off. Might have mentioned it in a prior video.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 12, 2018 11:03:34 GMT
Ah that npmakes more sense. I had a REL sib with my Spicaa and it was great. Twin again, Spicas are made to work with a sub. I’ve no idea how other speakers would fare.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 20:01:25 GMT
If I was living on my own. This would be my kind of system!
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Post by macca on Jun 16, 2018 8:56:11 GMT
Those Kenrick guys really love their big JBLs, they always sound like a hard PA to me. Maybe different in the flesh though. Anyone heard a pair? Yes quite recently. They were awesome. Wanted to buy them but he wasn't selling, unsurprisingly. We had two sets of the monitors at MiBO year before last. Forget which models specifically but a 2 way and a 3 way. They were also outstanding. Won't be any good partnered with flat earth equipment though, they need a very clean signal to sound their best, they don't hold back or smother the sound at all. You can't judge anything seriously from video clips but they are good fun. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 16, 2018 16:16:46 GMT
Having heard the racket from my own video clips, I can’t argue with that |
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Post by macca on Jun 16, 2018 16:50:04 GMT
This what I would have if I could afford ten grand for speakers. JBL 4365 - Easily the best 'speakers I have ever heard. They were at the Northwest Show a couple of years back. They embarrassed every other speaker in the building, some of which were a lot more expensive.  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 16, 2018 20:07:27 GMT
I’d imagine you’d need to be a fair way back from those to make the most of them
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 20:15:37 GMT
They look mean enough to push Mike Tyson over!
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Post by macca on Jun 16, 2018 23:07:19 GMT
The bass is tuned quite low so you do need a decent size space. Not as much as you'd think though. But they will fill a church hall without even breaking a sweat. That's the real thing you notice about them. Regardless of what's playing or at what level there is never any sense that they are straining.
The set I heard recently were DIY (and active) but they are broadly similar to the 4365. The 15 inch bass driver works right up into the low mids, then you have a very sophisticated compression driver doing the rest. And the 4365 has a super tweeter too.
It shouldn't really work using the bass driver that far up but it does and very well. Not the most neutral speaker you could buy for 10K but I'm of the thinking that if you want to add a bit of character to the sound best to do it with the speakers, not the source or amps.
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Post by antonio on Jun 17, 2018 5:32:35 GMT
I heard a couple of pairs of JBL's, "not the most neutral speaker" I think would be a bit of an understatement. Great for rock, Roger Waters sounded fantastic, but they didn't dem any female vocal.
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Post by dsjr on Jun 17, 2018 8:13:15 GMT
JBL made all sorts from squawky tizzy screamers to cultured subtle sounding rockers too  The 4367's are special and I'd have a pair tomorrow if I had the money and space to house them. That tweeter waveguide is very VERY good and not as critical of listener position I believe. They look brutish, but there's some very fine engineering gone into the sonics as well as the build and I love them to bits.
I saw but didn't hear the 4412SE, which is a bit more affordable. The mid driver derived from the 4312/L100 is now doped, the tweeter is updated again and the bass unit still powerful and properly mated to the ported box. If the Harbeths have to go after updating, I'll be looking here, or to the 4307 model.
www.jblsynthesis.com/productdetail/id_4307.html
www.jblsynthesis.com/productdetail/id_4312se.html
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Post by macca on Jun 17, 2018 10:56:21 GMT
. Great for rock, Roger Waters sounded fantastic, Well what more do you want? Like Dave says there are a lot of different models. The model numbers starting with a '4' are the studio monitors. I can testify they do fine with female vocal, even if accompanied by a bloke hitting a block of wood with a stick. JBL are not a company that ever marketed their domestic speakers especially well in the UK. In the flat earth days they were considered completely beyond the pale, your were supposed to use a little two way speaker with your Naim or Exposure, or if you could go big, abominations like Isobariks. So they pretty much disappeared. Plus the foam surrounds perish after 20, 30 years so a lot of those sold here in the early 1970s got skipped and replaced with something far more ordinary. A great shame. |
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Post by dsjr on Jun 17, 2018 15:30:07 GMT
Being at the flat earth coal face at the time, I can't always agree about some things, as not all of us were blinkered idiots (you may think I was, but I'd be offended). SOME Isobarik systems could sound incredibly good and I remember with huge affection how well my pal's active set (bolt-up 250's) sounded in his flat in London's Kingsbury (wood panelled walls and a not-square shape). I played a couple of old Siouxsie albums this last week which left a huge impression at the time and the bloody Spendor wrecks didn't come close  I was almost in tears of frustration and the Harbeths in current form would have boomed and smothered the rest... Jimmy's 'briks were pretty good too in his odd room. Both these were original chipboard actives and not the fancier but less involving later models with external crossovers in the stands if passive. JBL had a major sea change in crossover engineering in the mid 80's I gather and although you'd never get the creamy tones of a Harbeth or similar, the sound wouldn't be screamed out of the box either these days as say, a larger Klipsch might. I really need a 'classic monitor' here again. Something that's assertive and holds attention, without sounding wrong or forensic with it - something I'd again need to demonstrate what the words mean. I suspect the newer JBL Synthesis models would do rather well - www.jblsynthesis.com/productdetail/id_4429.htmlThese around five grand... OH HELL - The L100 is being re-launched!!!!!! I wonder if it'll sound like the originals (lock up your daughters if it does as they used to turn grown men into animals!!!) or just look like them but with modern drivers and crossovers to take the worst excesses out of them... www.jblsynthesis.com/productdetail/l100-classic.html |
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Post by macca on Jun 17, 2018 17:31:57 GMT
LOL They re-issued it back in the 1990s as well. Got a cracking review in Hi-Fi Choice. They sneered at the measurements but behind the black curtain in the blind test they romped home. L100s with JVC amps was the first really good system I ever heard. That was what got me into hi-fi when I'd previously just been into music. Some might say that was a step back. But I don't think so. I think wanting to hear your favourite music reproduced really well is a good thing and it's a shame more people are not interested. Dave I suppose bricks are not so bad in the general scheme of things. At least they can do bass and scale. IMO they were just a very complex and expensive way to do things differently. What Harbs have you got? You should sell them and get some JBLs. Much better for Siouxsie |
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The 4367's are special and I'd have a pair tomorrow if I had the money and space to house them. That tweeter waveguide is very VERY good and not as critical of listener position I believe. They look brutish, but there's some very fine engineering gone into the sonics as well as the build and I love them to bits.
I was almost in tears of frustration and the Harbeths in current form would have boomed and smothered the rest... Jimmy's 'briks were pretty good too in his odd room. Both these were original chipboard actives and not the fancier but less involving later models with external crossovers in the stands if passive.