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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 8:23:40 GMT
Well I don't agree with him either but it is his job to say these things, he wouldn't be much of a Pope if he kept his counsel to himself. What kind of counsel? Not really in a position to comment on pregnancy or abortion is he? As far as I'm concerned, the church (any church), should stick to what seems to be their traditional roles, i.e., being pompous, wearing funny frocks and possibly molesting choirboys.
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Post by macca on May 26, 2019 8:40:42 GMT
My point is that the job of the Pope is to offer guidance on ethical matters such as abortion. You may say there is no need for a Pope but whilst one exists, that is what he does.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 11:56:43 GMT
Religion and politics both suck, and if you just so happen to be ignorant enough to mix the two, you get a suppurated souffle that sucks and blows at the same time.
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Post by macca on May 26, 2019 13:33:00 GMT
If we accept that people are not born knowing right from wrong then I suppose religion creates a framework for that. People will still do wrong but at least they know it is wrong. And it may prevent people from doing wrong on occasion, even of they want to or if it is for some great advantage for them to do so.
I mean if you take the ten commnadmants:
I am the Lord, your God. Thou shall bring no false idols before me. Do not take the name of the Lord in vain. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. Honor thy father and thy mother. Thou shall not kill Thou shall not commit adultery. Thou shall not steal Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Thou shall not covet‡ your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).
Okay the first 4 are pretty much superfluous but the rest seem entirely reasonable as the basis for a system of morality and law and order.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 3:14:07 GMT
11. Thou shalt not copy and paste the Ten Commandments from an American source
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Post by macca on May 27, 2019 7:10:06 GMT
is that a mortal sin or just a venial one?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 21:12:27 GMT
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Post by antonio on May 28, 2019 5:10:19 GMT
Yes. Does this include those who have come in illegally with criminal intent?
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Post by macca on May 28, 2019 5:45:22 GMT
If they are EU nationals they can't have come in illegally.
the reason they let them all in in the first place was to keep wages low for unskilled work. Way back now a big Screwfix warehouse opened near me and they wanted an army of people to put screws in boxes for minimum wage, but they couldn't recruit so they had to hire illegals and they got busted for it. Local people wouldn't take the jobs because the pay was so low they would be worse off than on the dole. There are dozens of big distribution warehouses round here all staffed by Eastern Europeans. That's why so many people round here voted to leave.
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Post by savvypaul on May 28, 2019 6:40:21 GMT
If they are EU nationals they can't have come in illegally. the reason they let them all in in the first place was to keep wages low for unskilled work. Way back now a big Screwfix warehouse opened near me and they wanted an army of people to put screws in boxes for minimum wage, but they couldn't recruit so they had to hire illegals and they got busted for it. Local people wouldn't take the jobs because the pay was so low they would be worse off than on the dole. There are dozens of big distribution warehouses round here all staffed by Eastern Europeans. That's why so many people round here voted to leave. A good portion of the 3 million are highly skilled. Surgeons, nurses, doctors, teachers, lecturers, researchers, professors etc. I know you're a stickler for accuracy, so I thought I'd better remind you.😉 Regarding low wages - the country should vote for a party that will increase the minimum wage to a true living wage. This would also drive a much needed growth in productivity.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 7:13:35 GMT
If they are EU nationals they can't have come in illegally. the reason they let them all in in the first place was to keep wages low for unskilled work. Way back now a big Screwfix warehouse opened near me and they wanted an army of people to put screws in boxes for minimum wage, but they couldn't recruit so they had to hire illegals and they got busted for it. Local people wouldn't take the jobs because the pay was so low they would be worse off than on the dole. There are dozens of big distribution warehouses round here all staffed by Eastern Europeans. That's why so many people round here voted to leave. A good portion of the 3 million are highly skilled. Surgeons, nurses, doctors, teachers, lecturers, researchers, professors etc. I know you're a stickler for accuracy, so I thought I'd better remind you.😉 Regarding low wages - the country should vote for a party that will increase the minimum wage to a true living wage. This would also drive a much needed growth in productivity. I've been saying that for forty years. We have a country where every resource is stretched due to the now oversized population, younger folk cannot afford housing, getting hospital treatment is a nightmare, schools and public transport are not coping and so on.......... And instead of thinking about how the population can be reduced, this loony Gove wants to make things worse. God help us if there is ever a major problem and resources become scarce. We are way past the point of self-sufficiency and no country should be in that position. We'd starve!
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Post by macca on May 28, 2019 7:15:24 GMT
How much of a portion? 5 percent? 10 percent? Do you even know?
Problem was that once manufacturing stopped needing millions of unskilled people we had a big unemployment problem. And then they let millions more unskilled workers into the country. No-one has a problem with skilled people coming in, if they are needed to cover a shortfall in skills.
Raising the minimum wage won't help now as all the jobs are taken (and there's about 400,000 unemployed EU nationals here already). What's needed is to remove their automatic right to work here or to claim benefits. Then supply and demand will mean employers have to offer better wages to the indigenous personnel in order to recruit, without the dead hand of government needing to interfere.
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Post by savvypaul on May 28, 2019 7:28:02 GMT
400,000 is the 'inactive' figure which includes students, spouses and the disabled. Around 22% of that 400k are 'jobseekers'.
The issue around wages is not about the quantity of available jobs...but the quality of available jobs.
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Post by macca on May 28, 2019 8:02:34 GMT
Not sure what you mean buy that. Not everyone can be a surgeon or a university professor. We're always going to need order pickers, labourers etc - more so with the move to internet shopping and delivery. I'm sure the idea of doing a job like that must terrify comfy middle class types but it's not so bad and if you can't do anything else it's that or the dole.
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Post by savvypaul on May 28, 2019 8:27:37 GMT
Not sure what you mean buy that. Not everyone can be a surgeon or a university professor. We're always going to need order pickers, labourers etc - more so with the move to internet shopping and delivery. I'm sure the idea of doing a job like that must terrify comfy middle class types but it's not so bad and if you can't do anything else it's that or the dole. Of course, but all jobs should pay a real living wage. And, it needs to be robustly policed. Fruit picking seems to terrify ALL British people. It didn't used to. Is that the work or the wage? Most EU migrants are skilled, even if they temporarily take up unskilled jobs. It's no accident that they are able to become fluent within a year or two and get promoted or start their own businesses. Around 33% of EU migrants to the UK are university graduates compared to around 20% of the native population.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 11:33:50 GMT
Not sure what you mean buy that. Not everyone can be a surgeon or a university professor. We're always going to need order pickers, labourers etc - more so with the move to internet shopping and delivery. I'm sure the idea of doing a job like that must terrify comfy middle class types but it's not so bad and if you can't do anything else it's that or the dole. Of course, but all jobs should pay a real living wage. And, it needs to be robustly policed. Fruit picking seems to terrify ALL British people. It didn't used to. Is that the work or the wage? They're afraid of hard work. Spot of National Service would a) do them good b) solve the unemployment problem.
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Post by savvypaul on May 28, 2019 11:46:00 GMT
Of course, but all jobs should pay a real living wage. And, it needs to be robustly policed. Fruit picking seems to terrify ALL British people. It didn't used to. Is that the work or the wage? They're afraid of hard work. Spot of National Service would a) do them good b) solve the unemployment problem. And, it should be repeated at 50...
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Post by macca on May 28, 2019 12:11:34 GMT
And again at 70. The new Dad's Army..
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Post by macca on May 28, 2019 12:12:29 GMT
was watching 'Get Some In' yesterday. Remember watching them when it was new. had a look at the date at the end - 1976! That's scary.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 12:31:12 GMT
They're afraid of hard work. Spot of National Service would a) do them good b) solve the unemployment problem. And, it should be repeated at 50... Indeed. Get them picking fruit. Plenty of fresh air and exercise.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 13:04:06 GMT
And again at 70. The new Dad's Army.. Yup. I'd be good at that. I could revive my shooting and combat skills. I'd need a commission of course though. (Col. Walpurgis has a nice ring to it )
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Post by macca on May 28, 2019 17:12:09 GMT
I'd be up for it too. Great fun. Like being back at school but without the boring lessons. 2 hours close combat training in the river! If there aren't at least two men with broken arms by the end you get back in and do it again.!
Youngsters today don't know what they're missing.
Are you sure they'd make you Colonel? If you wear an an eye patch when you go down to the recruiting station that might give you a chance. Or failing that develop some sort of weird facial tic. That seems to be almost essential.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 8:29:12 GMT
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Post by dsjr on May 31, 2019 10:43:49 GMT
PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!
I was at the funeral yesterday and met his family. Believe it or not, he had friends and family who loved him, who will miss him and I wasn't the only one who shed a tear for the old sod either.
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Post by antonio on May 31, 2019 11:03:30 GMT
Sad to read of his passing. RIP Richard.
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Post by sq225917 on May 31, 2019 13:01:31 GMT
Sad to hear that he's shuffled off this mortal coil. Condoleces to his Mrs.
No doubt he'll now be sainted and everyone will forget what an incorrigible old bastard he was and that his circuits were just basic application notes from transistor suppliers.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 13:26:56 GMT
Sad to hear that he's shuffled off this mortal coil. Condoleces to his Mrs. No doubt he'll now be sainted and everyone will forget what an incorrigible old bastard he was and that his circuits were just basic application notes from transistor suppliers. I don't think it's possible to forget the behaviour of the man but on the same token, I don't see point in focusing on it. We didn't when he was alive and we certainly shouldn't now he's passed on. When all said and done, he has family and friends that love(d) him and the last thing they want or deserve, is to read post after post of negativity. Richard was a difficult guy and we were adversaries right up to the point he typed his last word. Whilst I disliked his Internet persona and the way he treated people (it'll all come out) I admired his incessant desire to never back down, regardless of who was right or wrong. There aren't many people on the hifi scene in the UK that didn't know of him or hadn't heard of him. That's quite an achievement in itself. Personally, I'll miss the back and forth with him.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 15:38:46 GMT
Sad to hear that he's shuffled off this mortal coil. Condoleces to his Mrs. No doubt he'll now be sainted and everyone will forget what an incorrigible old bastard he was and that his circuits were just basic application notes from transistor suppliers. I don't think it's possible to forget the behaviour of the man but on the same token, I don't see point in focusing on it. We didn't when he was alive and we certainly shouldn't now he's passed on. When all said and done, he has family and friends that love(d) him and the last thing they want or deserve, is to read post after post of negativity. Richard was a difficult guy and we were adversaries right up to the point he typed his last word. Whilst I disliked his Internet persona and the way he treated people (it'll all come out) I admired his incessant desire to never back down, regardless of who was right or wrong. There aren't many people on the hifi scene in the UK that didn't know of him or hadn't heard of him. That's quite an achievement in itself. Personally, I'll miss the back and forth with him. I may get flack for this but i miss him even though i never met him. Yes he was grumpy, liked an argument, took no prisoners and did not suffer fools gladly but i never had any major problems with him. He has had a very big lasting influence on me when it comes to sound reproduction. I would happily take his advice over anybody else's every day of the week. Never mind what his circuits consist of (and i know them better than most) they sound bloody good to me and many others. Simplicity rules with these designs and every piece of diy advice he has given me has turned out to be good (for me and my ears). The man will be respected and remembered as a designer for a long time.
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Post by savvypaul on May 31, 2019 15:44:08 GMT
...his circuits were just basic application notes from transistor suppliers. Did you share this opinion of his work with him 'face to face' while he was alive? Or were you waiting until he could not respond?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 15:49:55 GMT
...his circuits were just basic application notes from transistor suppliers. Did you share this opinion of his work with him 'face to face' while he was alive? Or were you waiting until he could not respond? I think you know the answer to that one Paul. Is there an ignore function on this forum ?
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