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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 13:38:12 GMT
I've heard and owned KEF speakers with Uni-Q drivers. Definitely not for me, iirc I described them elsewhere as a victory of technology over music. I'm sure they measure well but I just don't want to listen to music through them. I seem to lack your simple faith in the fundamental and irrefutable link between measurements and sound quality. Now the JBL 4367 definitely does get my juices going. That's gonna be a well designed horn loaded tweeter. hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/speaker/floor-standing/jbl-4367-studio-monitor-loudspeaker-review/I'd want a dem, but yeah, that looks much more interesting to me. Don't get me wrong I do not think measurements and speaker sound quality are totally hand in hand. The measurements are a guide as what to expect, not a description. The JBL - I have had a demo of the previous model - 4365 - and they were ridiculously good. Just embarrassed every other speaker at the show even though at ten grand they were one of the cheapest. In fact at this year's show was chatting to some bloke over lunch about the highlights of previous shows and he said exactly the same thing about them. |
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Post by antonio on Aug 4, 2024 14:03:14 GMT
Loudspeaker upgrade. I did say I was not going to do this until I've had the house remodelled/rebuilt (delete as appropriate) but that's still more than a year away and these have caught my eye: www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/mofi_soucepoint_888/Not available in the UK (yet), will probably be £6K when they are. Thoughts, anyone? I saw this video a couple of weeks ago There are other Andrew Jones videos on YT talking about them which I have not watched, my guess they will be very good. Will they be better than a pair of Arke speakers for a similar amount, have you heard Oli's speakers macca? |
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Post by Arke on Aug 4, 2024 14:04:12 GMT
I envy you Martin! New speaker choosing is the best!
Perhaps those JBLs are the ones for you? If you loved the sound, what's stopping you?
FWIW I'm not convinced those MoFi speakers will be even close to a bespoke Troels based design at a similar cost. In fact, most commercial offerings will have an RRP a few times higher than a Troels equivalent build. I'm obviously biased and am always willing to listen if someone can demonstrate any exceptions to this rule.
What are your key requirements? I'm assuming:
1) 3 way?
2) bass response into mid/upper 20Hz at -3db?
3) floorstanders or large 3 way classic on short stands?
4) fully passive
5) budget?
Enjoy the choices journey!
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 14:13:10 GMT
I envy you Martin! New speaker choosing is the best! Perhaps those JBLs are the ones for you? If you loved the sound, what's stopping you? FWIW I'm not convinced those MoFi speakers will be even close to a bespoke Troels based design at a similar cost. In fact, most commercial offerings will have an RRP a few times higher than a Troels equivalent build. I'm obviously biased and am always willing to listen if someone can demonstrate any exceptions to this rule. What are you key requirements? I'm assuming: 1) 3 way? 2) bass response into mid/upper 20Hz at -3db? 3) floorstanders or large 3 way classic on short stands? 4) fully passive 5) budget? Enjoy the choices journey! 3 way, bass 30Hz at -3dB, can be tower or standmount, fully passive, budget - well the JBL 4367 are £12K (when you ask what's stopping me...) so ideally less than that  What do you reckon to these? www.troelsgravesen.dk/Ellipticor-84.htm |
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 14:16:26 GMT
Loudspeaker upgrade. I did say I was not going to do this until I've had the house remodelled/rebuilt (delete as appropriate) but that's still more than a year away and these have caught my eye: www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/mofi_soucepoint_888/Not available in the UK (yet), will probably be £6K when they are. Thoughts, anyone? have you heard Oli's speakers macca? Yes I have. |
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Post by jandl100 on Aug 4, 2024 14:19:48 GMT
Perhaps those JBLs are the ones for you? If you loved the sound, what's stopping you?] Exactly my thoughts, given what you've said. Ok, £12k. You found a way to take it with you? 😂 Any inroom tonal issues can be sorted with eq. I owned some JBL L110 Monitor vintage speakers. They just boogied in an extremely musical way. Absolutely loved them and I wouldn't hesitate to investigate the JBL route myself. |
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Post by Arke on Aug 4, 2024 14:22:16 GMT
I envy you Martin! New speaker choosing is the best! Perhaps those JBLs are the ones for you? If you loved the sound, what's stopping you? FWIW I'm not convinced those MoFi speakers will be even close to a bespoke Troels based design at a similar cost. In fact, most commercial offerings will have an RRP a few times higher than a Troels equivalent build. I'm obviously biased and am always willing to listen if someone can demonstrate any exceptions to this rule. What are you key requirements? I'm assuming: 1) 3 way? 2) bass response into mid/upper 20Hz at -3db? 3) floorstanders or large 3 way classic on short stands? 4) fully passive 5) budget? Enjoy the choices journey! 3 way, bass 30Hz at -3dB, can be tower or standmount, fully passive, budget - well the JBL 4367 are £12K (when you ask what's stopping me...) so ideally less than that What do you reckon to these? www.troelsgravesen.dk/Ellipticor-84.htmI think they'd be incredible. In fact, if I could afford it they'd be my successor to Vaders. About £11-12k just in parts and materials though. Probably beyond anything I have ever heard. |
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 14:28:56 GMT
3 way, bass 30Hz at -3dB, can be tower or standmount, fully passive, budget - well the JBL 4367 are £12K (when you ask what's stopping me...) so ideally less than that What do you reckon to these? www.troelsgravesen.dk/Ellipticor-84.htmI think they'd be incredible. In fact, if I could afford it they'd be my successor to Vaders. About £11-12k just in parts and materials though. Probably beyond anything I have ever heard.  trust me to pick the most expensive one. |
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Post by Arke on Aug 4, 2024 14:39:07 GMT
I think they'd be incredible. In fact, if I could afford it they'd be my successor to Vaders. About £11-12k just in parts and materials though. Probably beyond anything I have ever heard. trust me to pick the most expensive one. I think the ellipticor A50 are even more 😂. Troels has tonnes of large 3 way classic designs. That would be what (I think) you want and the best bang for buck. They range from a few thousand up to 10s of thousands |
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 14:44:30 GMT
trust me to pick the most expensive one. I think the ellipticor A50 are even more 😂. Troels has tonnes of large 3 way classic designs. That would be what (I think) you want and the best bang for buck. They range from a few thousand up to 10s of thousands Can you point me to one that would come in about five grand assuming nothing fancy in terms of finish? |
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Post by Arke on Aug 4, 2024 15:12:37 GMT
I think the ellipticor A50 are even more 😂. Troels has tonnes of large 3 way classic designs. That would be what (I think) you want and the best bang for buck. They range from a few thousand up to 10s of thousands Can you point me to one that would come in about five grand assuming nothing fancy in terms of finish? Horn loading on Tweeter or not? |
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 15:18:26 GMT
Can you point me to one that would come in about five grand assuming nothing fancy in terms of finish? Horn loading on Tweeter or not? not fussed either way. |
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Post by Arke on Aug 4, 2024 15:47:12 GMT
Horn loading on Tweeter or not? not fussed either way. Difficult, as there are so many options. I'm in workshop atm, so will add a shortlist later |
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Post by misterc on Aug 4, 2024 16:58:17 GMT
The 888 PS are very good for the outlay, fun engaging and utterly musical. not the last word in detail or monster staging,a touch coloured. HOWEVER they are ture to Andrews Philosophy point source, given he doesnt have the equipment or budget he had at Tad, they are a great, fun and long term listening speaker. They do like to have some room, in the USA I think they are around $9K? imho
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 4, 2024 18:50:11 GMT
I think they'd be incredible. In fact, if I could afford it they'd be my successor to Vaders. About £11-12k just in parts and materials though. Probably beyond anything I have ever heard. trust me to pick the most expensive one. Great taste. It's expensive to have great taste. I'd be all over those if I had the space and cash.... thankfully I have neither 😂 |
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Post by Arke on Aug 4, 2024 19:07:44 GMT
Horn loading on Tweeter or not? not fussed either way. Any size constraints? |
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 19:24:12 GMT
None at all. Must work out in free space, I can't put them near a wall - due to room layout they must be 8' from front wall. I think most or all the Troels designs are for free space though? Seem to recall he mentions that. |
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 19:29:45 GMT
The 888 PS are very good for the outlay, fun engaging and utterly musical. not the last word in detail or monster staging,a touch coloured. HOWEVER they are ture to Andrews Philosophy point source, given he doesnt have the equipment or budget he had at Tad, they are a great, fun and long term listening speaker. They do like to have some room, in the USA I think they are around $9K? imho In USA they are five thousand dollar. Plus state sales tax. www.musicdirect.com/speakers/mofi-electronics-sourcepoint-888-floor-standing-speakers-pair/That would in the past mean £5K here but I've noticed that the 'Treasure Island' gouging process has magnified in the past few years which is why I was saying £6K. |
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Post by misterc on Aug 4, 2024 19:35:50 GMT
These are the flllor standers Martin not the standmounts, or have I got wrong again lol
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Post by Arke on Aug 4, 2024 19:38:24 GMT
None at all. Must work out in free space, I can't put them near a wall - due to room layout they must be 8' from front wall. I think most or all the Troels designs are for free space though? Seem to recall he mentions that. Yep, all likely to be better in free space. Obvs small speakers won't cut it, but you don't want small. If happy to go 15" bass and 1000mm H x 450mm W x 420mm D then prob Faital 3WC-15. Can be fabric or Be tweeter. For 12" bass: 1) New Faital-12-430. The new version (old version is Faital 3WC-12) goes about 10Hz deeper and is a bit less sensitive. The 12-430 will be great for deep bass when driven well. Can have Scanspeak fabric or Be tweeter. Faital Mids 2) Fusion 22: same bass driver as my Vaders. SBA mids and SBA Be tweeter 3) Fusion 3WC: same bass as my Vaders. Scanspeak Revelator mid and SBA fabric or Be tweeter. Partly depends if you have any preference on certain brands of tweeters and mids? Kerr Acoustics use Scanspeak mids for example. All can be Be tweeters |
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Post by misterc on Aug 4, 2024 19:49:49 GMT
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 20:50:14 GMT
None at all. Must work out in free space, I can't put them near a wall - due to room layout they must be 8' from front wall. I think most or all the Troels designs are for free space though? Seem to recall he mentions that. Yep, all likely to be better in free space. Obvs small speakers won't cut it, but you don't want small. If happy to go 15" bass and 1000mm H x 450mm W x 420mm D then prob Faital 3WC-15. Can be fabric or Be tweeter. For 12" bass: 1) New Faital-12-430. The new version (old version is Faital 3WC-12) goes about 10Hz deeper and is a bit less sensitive. The 12-430 will be great for deep bass when driven well. Can have Scanspeak fabric or Be tweeter. Faital Mids 2) Fusion 22: same bass driver as my Vaders. SBA mids and SBA Be tweeter 3) Fusion 3WC: same bass as my Vaders. Scanspeak Revelator mid and SBA fabric or Be tweeter. Partly depends if you have any preference on certain brands of tweeters and mids? Kerr Acoustics use Scanspeak mids for example. All can be Be tweeters 3WC-15 is my sort of thing. Without those pinstripes down the front! Would want castors if that's do-able? Matt black finish. What would I be looking at, ballpark? Send me PM if you prefer. |
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Post by Arke on Aug 4, 2024 20:55:04 GMT
Yep, all likely to be better in free space. Obvs small speakers won't cut it, but you don't want small. If happy to go 15" bass and 1000mm H x 450mm W x 420mm D then prob Faital 3WC-15. Can be fabric or Be tweeter. For 12" bass: 1) New Faital-12-430. The new version (old version is Faital 3WC-12) goes about 10Hz deeper and is a bit less sensitive. The 12-430 will be great for deep bass when driven well. Can have Scanspeak fabric or Be tweeter. Faital Mids 2) Fusion 22: same bass driver as my Vaders. SBA mids and SBA Be tweeter 3) Fusion 3WC: same bass as my Vaders. Scanspeak Revelator mid and SBA fabric or Be tweeter. Partly depends if you have any preference on certain brands of tweeters and mids? Kerr Acoustics use Scanspeak mids for example. All can be Be tweeters 3WC-15 is my sort of thing. Without those pinstripes down the front! Would want castors if that's do-able? Matt black finish. What would I be looking at, ballpark? Send me PM if you prefer. I think that is the best choice for your budget. If you can go 15" then do it! The Loudspeaker 3 would be good but is semi Active. Be or Fabric tweeter? I assume the 'standard' XO? I'll do some sums and PM. Edit: castors fine |
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Post by macca on Aug 4, 2024 21:06:54 GMT
3WC-15 is my sort of thing. Without those pinstripes down the front! Would want castors if that's do-able? Matt black finish. What would I be looking at, ballpark? Send me PM if you prefer. I think that is the best choice for your budget. If you can go 15" then do it! The Loudspeaker 3 would be good but is semi Active. Be or Fabric tweeter? I assume the 'standard' XO? I'll do some sums and PM. Edit: castors fine standard crossover, let's say the fabric tweeter. |
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Post by macca on Aug 16, 2024 19:31:31 GMT
Me and Jason have had a bit of a chat, and the upshot is that he's going to knock up some of these for me:  Only without the pin stripes. New speaker day is a bit of a way off yet as there's a waiting list a bit like when you order an Aston. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 16, 2024 19:40:34 GMT
Me and Jason have had a bit of a chat, and the upshot is that he's going to knock up some of these for me: Only without the pin stripes. New speaker day is a bit of a way off yet as there's a waiting list a bit like when you order an Aston. Jesus.....they look huge 😍😍😍 What beasts lol....I love them. Well done mate. I can't imagine them being anything other awesome, as every pair of Troels speakers I've heard (that Jason made) have been wonderful. I'm excited!! |
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Post by Arke on Aug 16, 2024 20:14:38 GMT
Me and Jason have had a bit of a chat, and the upshot is that he's going to knock up some of these for me: Only without the pin stripes. New speaker day is a bit of a way off yet as there's a waiting list a bit like when you order an Aston. at 95/96db sensitivity you'll have fun trying amp options! |
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Post by macca on Aug 16, 2024 20:33:39 GMT
Nah my amp swapping days are long over.
I might try the £100 NAD on them though just to see. It can't quite manage the Focals.
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Post by robbiegong on Aug 16, 2024 20:40:02 GMT
What amp will you be driving them with Macca ?
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Post by macca on Aug 16, 2024 20:50:17 GMT
What amp will you be driving them with Macca ? Krell KSA50S - it's only rated at 50W into 8 ohm so it's not overkill. |
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