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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 28, 2021 18:46:48 GMT
Ha! I KNEW IT The dark art of the Mutec strikes again! Seriously Steve, did it take you more than say..... 30 seconds to think "oh? What the hell is going on here?" I didnt know if it would really come across on the video. Obviously I can tell here and from the videos I do, bit it's great to know it did for you. I guess I chose a track to play first that I would detect any changes. So there was support for Macca’s expectation bias I guess. So I bunged on Laura Marling ‘Goodbye England’. The wind instrument that starts off the track was just so dominant..and ‘there’, the rest of the track becomes quite complex with cellos and male vocals behind Laura’s. Never ever heard this amount of detail but with it all just sounding much more cohesive and ‘right’ Alabama 3 ‘Ain’t going to Goa’ is my ice cube track. At 33 seconds in comes a very low frequency bass drum. Usually I struggle to hear it in the mix. Now I can hear it so clearly and almost grasp the pressure the drummer is using to hit it. Not really.. but you know what I mean. Dire Straits, ‘Why worry’… that wooden percussion thing goes on throughout the track from time to time. Who knew! In the Gallery by them has so much propulsion I thought I needed new speakers. I don’t. The improved bass is amazing Well.. I might get something different down the line, but these Technics have surprisingly delivered what is now being fed into them. Bonus That was what i said in my very first post about it. It is totally propulsive and uncovers the "life" that has been missing from Digital. I thought it was a physical aspect that could only be done in analogue as i attributed it to the physical act of generating that energy from the stylus bouncing around the grooves at speed. Not so....it's here in digital and it's only here because of the Mutec. |
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Post by stevew on Sept 28, 2021 18:55:41 GMT
I guess I chose a track to play first that I would detect any changes. So there was support for Macca’s expectation bias I guess. So I bunged on Laura Marling ‘Goodbye England’. The wind instrument that starts off the track was just so dominant..and ‘there’, the rest of the track becomes quite complex with cellos and male vocals behind Laura’s. Never ever heard this amount of detail but with it all just sounding much more cohesive and ‘right’ Alabama 3 ‘Ain’t going to Goa’ is my ice cube track. At 33 seconds in comes a very low frequency bass drum. Usually I struggle to hear it in the mix. Now I can hear it so clearly and almost grasp the pressure the drummer is using to hit it. Not really.. but you know what I mean. Dire Straits, ‘Why worry’… that wooden percussion thing goes on throughout the track from time to time. Who knew! In the Gallery by them has so much propulsion I thought I needed new speakers. I don’t. The improved bass is amazing Well.. I might get something different down the line, but these Technics have surprisingly delivered what is now being fed into them. Bonus That was what i said in my very first post about it. It is totally propulsive and uncovers the "life" that has been missing from Digital. I thought it was a physical aspect that could only be done in analogue as i attributed it to the physical act of generating that energy from the stylus bouncing around the grooves at speed. Not so....it's here in digital and it's only here because of the Mutec. Exactly. I don’t know how you would go about measuring these things though. As I said I’m really not bothered.. but I respect that others are. Just played another Laura Marling tune ‘Failure’ I never realised that this song is really driven along by its bass. It changes the way you enjoy the music. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 28, 2021 19:00:52 GMT
That was what i said in my very first post about it. It is totally propulsive and uncovers the "life" that has been missing from Digital. I thought it was a physical aspect that could only be done in analogue as i attributed it to the physical act of generating that energy from the stylus bouncing around the grooves at speed. Not so....it's here in digital and it's only here because of the Mutec. Exactly. I don’t know how you would go about measuring these things though. As I said I’m really not bothered.. but I respect that others are. Just played another Laura Marling tune ‘Failure’ I never realised that this song is really driven along by its bass. It changes the way you enjoy the music. Great imaginations think alike......or something like that 🤣 |
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Post by electronumpty on Sept 28, 2021 21:26:33 GMT
Oli's latest goldrush creation, tele ecc83 valves, pcc88s, Neurochrome 686s and now Mutec 3s!! 🤣 It's testament to the quality of the items mate. 👍 Absolutely, no argument from me there. I've certainly benefited from your exploration. 🙂 |
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Post by mayebaza on Sept 29, 2021 14:31:13 GMT
Weight and slam is subject to latency. Latency is subject to timing... Hence where the Mutec MC-3+USB 🤔
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2021 14:53:04 GMT
Weight and slam is subject to latency. Latency is subject to timing... Hence where the Mutec MC-3+USB 🤔 Ooooh, so we could be on to something? |
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Post by macca on Sept 29, 2021 15:36:41 GMT
Weight and slam is subject to latency. Latency is subject to timing... Hence where the Mutec MC-3+USB 🤔 I recognise the words but this combination of them makes no sense to me. Can you elaborate? |
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Post by misterc on Sept 29, 2021 16:03:34 GMT
Latancy serial data timing, EG: the latancy beetween my DAW and mixiing console can be adjusted via SW, however the lower the Latancy the more desriable the result.
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Post by antonio on Sept 29, 2021 16:13:40 GMT
Wow Steve, you're not Bigman's little brother are you? With a gushing review like that, you've certainly taken a leaf out of Oli's book  Never the less I'm pleased your new purchase is making you happy, enjoy |
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Post by stryder5 on Sept 29, 2021 16:16:16 GMT
I’m really pleased Alan has bought one ....lol
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Post by stevew on Sept 29, 2021 16:26:11 GMT
Wow Steve, you're not Bigman's little brother are you? With a gushing review like that, you've certainly taken a leaf out of Oli's book Never the less I'm pleased your new purchase is making you happy, enjoy I recommend it to the house. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2021 16:34:11 GMT
I’m really pleased Alan has bought one ....lol Gary 🤣🤣 You're welcome to pop over here Gary. You know the way 👍 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2021 16:35:26 GMT
Wow Steve, you're not Bigman's little brother are you? With a gushing review like that, you've certainly taken a leaf out of Oli's book Never the less I'm pleased your new purchase is making you happy, enjoy I'm afraid it's impossible (from my experience) to not show enthusiasm when something hits you in the gut like this does. I can't wait to rip the power supply out and put a proper one in its place 😁 |
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Post by antonio on Sept 29, 2021 16:43:21 GMT
and depreciate it's value by at least 50%  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2021 16:44:31 GMT
and depreciate it's value by at least 50% It can be reversed....but to be honest, those in the know would pay for the conversion. Removing SMPS has repeatedly given a boost in performance. No reason to suspect that it won't happen here. |
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Post by antonio on Sept 29, 2021 16:54:46 GMT
I'm not disagreeing with your thinking, I'm just commenting on what buyers might think when advertised on ebay as 'modded'  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2021 17:09:53 GMT
I'm not disagreeing with your thinking, I'm just commenting on what buyers might think when advertised on ebay as 'modded' It will be professionally done, Dave. It'll look like it grew there 😉 |
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Post by stevew on Sept 29, 2021 17:38:07 GMT
Wow Steve, you're not Bigman's little brother are you? With a gushing review like that, you've certainly taken a leaf out of Oli's book Never the less I'm pleased your new purchase is making you happy, enjoy I'm afraid it's impossible (from my experience) to not show enthusiasm when something hits you in the gut like this does. I can't wait to rip the power supply out and put a proper one in its place 😁 I hear you brother… Amen. |
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Post by mayebaza on Sept 29, 2021 17:41:06 GMT
Weight and slam is subject to latency. Latency is subject to timing... Hence where the Mutec MC-3+USB 🤔 I recognise the words but this combination of them makes no sense to me. Can you elaborate? Lack of slam and weight is sometimes described as the music sounding slow. I guess a better explanation of what I am trying to say, is better synchronicity with the recording room acoustics and instruments could be what the Mutec is doing |
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Post by stevew on Sept 29, 2021 17:48:42 GMT
Wow Steve, you're not Bigman's little brother are you? With a gushing review like that, you've certainly taken a leaf out of Oli's book Never the less I'm pleased your new purchase is making you happy, enjoy I'm afraid it's impossible (from my experience) to not show enthusiasm when something hits you in the gut like this does. I can't wait to rip the power supply out and put a proper one in its place 😁 Oliver’s statement here about it hitting you in the gut.. Damned Right. This thing is transformative. I can’t help thinking..if it does this to an Ares ii, what on earth would a Pontus/Venus/Terminator sound like. For the moment however I’m more than happy just exploring tunes again. I mean.. I used to love ZZ Top back in the day. Tried over the years.. but got bored. With the Mutec in place it’s like rediscovery Voodoo Chile on Electric Ladyland is off the scale…man. |
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Post by stryder5 on Sept 29, 2021 17:59:03 GMT
I’m really pleased Alan has bought one ....lol Gary 🤣🤣 You're welcome to pop over here Gary. You know the way 👍 Oli, I love you, I know I’m welcome. My thinly veiled meaning was......where is a Soekris now? Gary |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2021 20:19:35 GMT
🤣🤣 You're welcome to pop over here Gary. You know the way 👍 Oli, I love you, I know I’m welcome. My thinly veiled meaning was......where is a Soekris now? Gary Ah, I believe Alan sold his.....I presume he offered it to you first? If not, I was never here 🤣 |
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Post by stevew on Sept 29, 2021 20:20:24 GMT
Ok.. fairs fair (and a counterpoint to the gushing enthusiasm!)…I do have a single criticism of the Mutec.
It relates to its operation and I suspect is something to do with how it operates with the Ares ii.
I use Roon through a NUC which picks up the Ares ii as an end point. Plugging in the Mutec, Roon recognises it and changes the display to the Mutec pic as it’s end point.
So if I play some of my playlists and skip from track to track quickly there is a lag and when the track starts playing it’s skipped the first second or two from the start… so missing the start.
Playing an album in the normal way doesn’t seem to be affected by this lag.
It might also be Roon … I dunno!
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2021 21:44:36 GMT
Ok.. fairs fair (and a counterpoint to the gushing enthusiasm!)…I do have a single criticism of the Mutec. It relates to its operation and I suspect is something to do with how it operates with the Ares ii. I use Roon through a NUC which picks up the Ares ii as an end point. Plugging in the Mutec, Roon recognises it and changes the display to the Mutec pic as it’s end point. So if I play some of my playlists and skip from track to track quickly there is a lag and when the track starts playing it’s skipped the first second or two from the start… so missing the start. Playing an album in the normal way doesn’t seem to be affected by this lag. It might also be Roon … I dunno! YES! That happens here too. Thought it was my streamer. Not all the time, seems to only happen when I change to different albums.. Lock light starts flashing. However, it does not do it when streaming from Tidal. |
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Post by bigbird on Sept 29, 2021 21:52:07 GMT
I'm afraid it's impossible (from my experience) to not show enthusiasm when something hits you in the gut like this does. I can't wait to rip the power supply out and put a proper one in its place 😁 Oliver’s statement here about it hitting you in the gut.. Damned Right. This thing is transformative. I can’t help thinking..if it does this to an Ares ii, what on earth would a Pontus/Venus/Terminator sound like. For the moment however I’m more than happy just exploring tunes again. I mean.. I used to love ZZ Top back in the day. Tried over the years.. but got bored. With the Mutec in place it’s like rediscovery Voodoo Chile on Electric Ladyland is off the scale…man. From what I am hearing from people directly and reading on the denafrips forums the results are much the same and very positive when used across the board with all of their DACs . All be it they are using the denafrips reckockers and not the mutech one mainly . From what I can gather , the results are far more noticable in the models lower down the ladder but even people with the Terminator plus and 2 ,like mine, are reporting good results with these DDC’s. There is the added ‘clock sync’ feature on the denafrips products which gets them working in perfect unison to one another also . It’s funny because when I bought my Termy 2 several months ago, I spoke at length with the Australian denafrips distributor and Alvin at HQ and they both told me to add the reckocker as soon as I could afford to and it would definitely give me a boost in performance. When I told Oliver he was sceptical as he thought it was just another piece of expensive equipment to add into the chain if your DAC isn’t doing or measuring as it should or you used USB, and I thought the same . Unlike a lot of us, Oliver always puts his money where his mouth is and if it’s good it’s stays and if it’s not it’s back on the classifieds. Fast forward and the more I dig about this the more I think it is worth considering. Surely all these hundreds of people can’t be imagining things ? I’m not expecting there to be as dramatic an improvement as you’d get with an Aries but at this stage in the game I take any small improvements I can as I’m reaching pretty close to the end of what’s possible within my budget. I’d say if I could pick one up for 5-600 quid used then that’s a worthwhile investment for an uplift in performance . I think I will add one to the list of things to try . |
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Post by stevew on Sept 29, 2021 21:52:36 GMT
Noticed it tonight playing a playlist when a track started playing that was 96/24 and the next was a red book .. blue light flashed and skipped the start of the track. Slightly annoying, but I guess it’s locking onto the different bit rate?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2021 21:58:21 GMT
Noticed it tonight playing a playlist when a track started playing that was 96/24 and the next was a red book .. blue light flashed and skipped the start of the track. Slightly annoying, but I guess it’s locking onto the different bit rate? Yeah, that's what I thought too. |
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Post by stevew on Sept 29, 2021 21:59:05 GMT
Oliver’s statement here about it hitting you in the gut.. Damned Right. This thing is transformative. I can’t help thinking..if it does this to an Ares ii, what on earth would a Pontus/Venus/Terminator sound like. For the moment however I’m more than happy just exploring tunes again. I mean.. I used to love ZZ Top back in the day. Tried over the years.. but got bored. With the Mutec in place it’s like rediscovery Voodoo Chile on Electric Ladyland is off the scale…man. From what I am hearing from people directly and reading on the denafrips forums the results are much the same and very positive when used across the board with all of their DACs . All be it they are using the denafrips reckockers and not the mutech one mainly . From what I can gather , the results are far more noticable in the models lower down the ladder but even people with the Terminator plus and 2 ,like mine, are reporting good results with these DDC’s. There is the added ‘clock sync’ feature on the denafrips products which gets them working in perfect unison to one another also . It’s funny because when I bought my Termy 2 several months ago, I spoke at length with the Australian denafrips distributor and Alvin at HQ and they both told me to add the reckocker as soon as I could afford to and it would definitely give me a boost in performance. When I told Oliver he was sceptical as he thought it was just another piece of expensive equipment to add into the chain if your DAC isn’t doing or measuring as it should or you used USB, and I thought the same . Unlike a lot of us, Oliver always puts his money where his mouth is and if it’s good it’s stays and if it’s not it’s back on the classifieds. Fast forward and the more I dig about this the more I think it is worth considering. Surely all these hundreds of people can’t be imagining things ? I’m not expecting there to be as dramatic an improvement as you’d get with an Aries but at this stage in the game I take any small improvements I can as I’m reaching pretty close to the end of what’s possible within my budget. I’d say if I could pick one up for 5-600 quid used then that’s a worthwhile investment for an uplift in performance . I think I will add one to the list of things to try . Close call for me between the Denafrips DDC or Mutec. Much better value by importing Denafrips from Singapore as opposed to uk dealers.. but the Mutec reviews and immediate availability swung it. |
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Post by bigbird on Sept 29, 2021 22:16:46 GMT
From what I am hearing from people directly and reading on the denafrips forums the results are much the same and very positive when used across the board with all of their DACs . All be it they are using the denafrips reckockers and not the mutech one mainly . From what I can gather , the results are far more noticable in the models lower down the ladder but even people with the Terminator plus and 2 ,like mine, are reporting good results with these DDC’s. There is the added ‘clock sync’ feature on the denafrips products which gets them working in perfect unison to one another also . It’s funny because when I bought my Termy 2 several months ago, I spoke at length with the Australian denafrips distributor and Alvin at HQ and they both told me to add the reckocker as soon as I could afford to and it would definitely give me a boost in performance. When I told Oliver he was sceptical as he thought it was just another piece of expensive equipment to add into the chain if your DAC isn’t doing or measuring as it should or you used USB, and I thought the same . Unlike a lot of us, Oliver always puts his money where his mouth is and if it’s good it’s stays and if it’s not it’s back on the classifieds. Fast forward and the more I dig about this the more I think it is worth considering. Surely all these hundreds of people can’t be imagining things ? I’m not expecting there to be as dramatic an improvement as you’d get with an Aries but at this stage in the game I take any small improvements I can as I’m reaching pretty close to the end of what’s possible within my budget. I’d say if I could pick one up for 5-600 quid used then that’s a worthwhile investment for an uplift in performance . I think I will add one to the list of things to try . Close call for me between the Denafrips DDC or Mutec. Much better value by importing Denafrips from Singapore as opposed to uk dealers.. but the Mutec reviews and immediate availability swung it. Yeah I’d definitely go the direct route. I don’t get peoples obsession with having to get one from the UK and paying a fairly hefty premium for it too. If there is any issues then denafrips sort them anyway Plus the Aussie exchange rate against Singapore dollars was more favourable than GBP so it ended up being a good bit cheaper than UK to buy my terminator . I best get scouring the classifieds then hadn’t I . Glad your all getting good results . This has given me the nudge to pursue it |
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Post by electronumpty on Sept 30, 2021 13:21:51 GMT
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