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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 20, 2021 18:52:30 GMT
I was told repeatedly that one of these things is pretty much guaranteed to make an improvement to any DAC. At a price of £1029, I thought...."I bet they do🙄" After spending some time with my recent acquisition of the Digibit Aria and feeling it's now settled in well, I did plan on leaving a great sound alone. As always, the second I decide not to do anything else, a bit of kit turns up for sale that I just can't ignore. This time, it too the shape of a Mutech. As my birthday is round the corner I thought...why not 😉 Could be here tomorrow, but I'll be leaving it to warm up for a few days before making any decision on its influence. Anyone got one? Opinions welcome  |
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Post by antonio on Sept 20, 2021 23:38:31 GMT
Let's hope it does what it says on the tin
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Post by electronumpty on Sept 21, 2021 0:46:45 GMT
Isn't Mr C the man for these?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 7:03:56 GMT
Isn't Mr C the man for these? He is. I already know what he thinks as he told me to buy one month back 🤣 |
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Post by mikeyb on Sept 21, 2021 9:09:37 GMT
Hope it comes with a remote cos you’ll be changing settings every track 😂
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 9:33:50 GMT
Hope it comes with a remote cos you’ll be changing settings every track 😂 😬 What do you mean? Have I grossly overlooked something, or are you winding me up? |
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Post by mikeyb on Sept 21, 2021 9:40:40 GMT
Hope it comes with a remote cos you’ll be changing settings every track 😂 😬 What do you mean? Have I grossly overlooked something, or are you winding me up? Me, wind up? Whatever do you mean 😂 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 9:42:27 GMT
😬 What do you mean? Have I grossly overlooked something, or are you winding me up? Me, wind up? Whatever do you mean 😂 🤣 TBF, I understand very little about it, so it's going to unlikely I hit the ground running with it. |
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Post by electronumpty on Sept 21, 2021 11:17:37 GMT
Isn't it some sort of atomic clock which makes dacs sound like angels singing or something?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 12:15:43 GMT
Isn't it some sort of atomic clock which makes dacs sound like angels singing or something? Hahaha, I hope so if that's the case 🤣 |
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Post by macca on Sept 21, 2021 12:15:55 GMT
if you search on-line you can find various tests of these devices. With some DACs they reduce jitter from way below audible to slightly further below audible. With others they make no difference. Test and a subjective review from HFN here www.mutec-net.com/downloads/manuals/MUTEC_MC-3plusUSB_-_HFN.pdfThe purpose of the device is to sync the clocks of multiple DACs in a recording studio, there's really no useful application for domestic replay. Goes without saying that the subjective review go into detail about them making the sound 'more vibrant' and the usual toss about 'soundstage' improvements. But then that's the case for pretty much anything that gets reviewed no matter how ridiculous it is, so sadly subjective reviews just cannot be taken seriously. The measurements clearly show it does nothing even remotely audible. I would say don't bother with it. Repeatedly.  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 13:14:00 GMT
if you search on-line you can find various tests of these devices. With some DACs they reduce jitter from way below audible to slightly further below audible. With others they make no difference. Test and a subjective review from HFN here www.mutec-net.com/downloads/manuals/MUTEC_MC-3plusUSB_-_HFN.pdfThe purpose of the device is to sync the clocks of multiple DACs in a recording studio, there's really no useful application for domestic replay. Goes without saying that the subjective review go into detail about them making the sound 'more vibrant' and the usual toss about 'soundstage' improvements. But then that's the case for pretty much anything that gets reviewed no matter how ridiculous it is, so sadly subjective reviews just cannot be taken seriously. The measurements clearly show it does nothing even remotely audible. I would say don't bother with it. Repeatedly. To be fair, that is pretty much what was said to me. Some DACs benefit greatly, some don't. As there isn't really any Info on this combo with the Soekris, it now seems like it was a great idea to buy it. It may be a case that i save other people the expense, or that it is deemed a must have. Guess we'll find out. |
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Post by optical on Sept 21, 2021 13:28:58 GMT
if you search on-line you can find various tests of these devices. With some DACs they reduce jitter from way below audible to slightly further below audible. With others they make no difference. Test and a subjective review from HFN here www.mutec-net.com/downloads/manuals/MUTEC_MC-3plusUSB_-_HFN.pdfThe purpose of the device is to sync the clocks of multiple DACs in a recording studio, there's really no useful application for domestic replay. Goes without saying that the subjective review go into detail about them making the sound 'more vibrant' and the usual toss about 'soundstage' improvements. But then that's the case for pretty much anything that gets reviewed no matter how ridiculous it is, so sadly subjective reviews just cannot be taken seriously. The measurements clearly show it does nothing even remotely audible. I would say don't bother with it. Repeatedly. To be fair, that is pretty much what was said to me. Some DACs benefit greatly, some don't. As there isn't really any Info on this combo with the Soekris, it now seems like it was a great idea to buy it. It may be a case that i save other people the expense, or that it is deemed a must have. Guess we'll find out. Fair play Oli, gotta dip a toe . . . or a foot, then find yourself drowning in a sea of potential snake oil bobbing for those hifi gems whilst trying to ignore the siren calls of Macca from the rocks of reality . . . . Bit of a tongue in cheek metaphor to be fair, but I do thank those of us for boldly going to find things out for themselves where science 'may' say otherwise. Very interested to hear your thoughts on this. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 13:34:03 GMT
To be fair, that is pretty much what was said to me. Some DACs benefit greatly, some don't. As there isn't really any Info on this combo with the Soekris, it now seems like it was a great idea to buy it. It may be a case that i save other people the expense, or that it is deemed a must have. Guess we'll find out. Fair play Oli, gotta dip a toe . . . or a foot, then find yourself drowning in a sea of potential snake oil bobbing for those hifi gems whilst trying to ignore the siren calls of Macca from the rocks of reality . . . . Bit of a tongue in cheek metaphor to be fair, but I do thank those of us for boldly going to find things out for themselves where science 'may' say otherwise. Very interested to hear your thoughts on this. Every forum needs a sceptic. Just so happens that our sceptic is pretty convincing with his reasoning! However, as you say..... sometimes the science doesn't hold all of the answers and for those occasions we need open minded operators. That's my job 😉 I'll do a full "balls out" analysis of what happens when I plug it in, and if its bullshit I will say so. You'd know anyway, as I'll sell it 🤣 |
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Post by optical on Sept 21, 2021 13:40:04 GMT
Fair play Oli, gotta dip a toe . . . or a foot, then find yourself drowning in a sea of potential snake oil bobbing for those hifi gems whilst trying to ignore the siren calls of Macca from the rocks of reality . . . . Bit of a tongue in cheek metaphor to be fair, but I do thank those of us for boldly going to find things out for themselves where science 'may' say otherwise. Very interested to hear your thoughts on this. Every forum needs a sceptic. Just so happens that our sceptic is pretty convincing with his reasoning! However, as you say..... sometimes the science doesn't hold all of the answers and for those occasions we need open minded operators. That's my job 😉 I'll do a full "balls out" analysis of what happens when I plug it in, and if its bullshit I will say so. You'd know anyway, as I'll sell it 🤣 Fully agreed on all counts. In fact I find myself agreeing with Macca a worrying percentage of the time (as no doubt many others do!). What connections will you be using BTW? I've heard there are advantages of AES/EBU and BNC over coax/toslink etc? |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 13:46:01 GMT
Every forum needs a sceptic. Just so happens that our sceptic is pretty convincing with his reasoning! However, as you say..... sometimes the science doesn't hold all of the answers and for those occasions we need open minded operators. That's my job 😉 I'll do a full "balls out" analysis of what happens when I plug it in, and if its bullshit I will say so. You'd know anyway, as I'll sell it 🤣 Fully agreed on all counts. In fact I find myself agreeing with Macca a worrying percentage of the time (as no doubt many others do!). What connections will you be using BTW? I've heard there are advantages of AES/EBU and BNC over coax/toslink etc? AES from the Aria to the Mutech, then Coax from Mutech to the Soekris. That's really the only option as the Soekris hasn't got AES |
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Post by stryder5 on Sept 21, 2021 14:41:36 GMT
Fair play Oli, gotta dip a toe . . . or a foot, then find yourself drowning in a sea of potential snake oil bobbing for those hifi gems whilst trying to ignore the siren calls of Macca from the rocks of reality . . . . Bit of a tongue in cheek metaphor to be fair, but I do thank those of us for boldly going to find things out for themselves where science 'may' say otherwise. Very interested to hear your thoughts on this. Every forum needs a sceptic. Just so happens that our sceptic is pretty convincing with his reasoning! However, as you say..... sometimes the science doesn't hold all of the answers and for those occasions we need open minded operators. That's my job 😉 I'll do a full "balls out" analysis of what happens when I plug it in, and if its bullshit I will say so. You'd know anyway, as I'll sell it 🤣 Quick scan and I read septic ..... Gary |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 14:48:19 GMT
Every forum needs a sceptic. Just so happens that our sceptic is pretty convincing with his reasoning! However, as you say..... sometimes the science doesn't hold all of the answers and for those occasions we need open minded operators. That's my job 😉 I'll do a full "balls out" analysis of what happens when I plug it in, and if its bullshit I will say so. You'd know anyway, as I'll sell it 🤣 Quick scan and I read septic ..... Gary 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by misterc on Sept 21, 2021 16:12:11 GMT
Without Skeptics the world would be very grey and sound like Harbeths
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 21, 2021 16:14:47 GMT
Without Skeptics the world would be very grey and sound like Harbeths  |
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Post by antonio on Sept 22, 2021 1:36:33 GMT
Without Skeptics the world would be very grey and sound like Harbeths Just you wait till you get older, you may have them on your 'wish list' along with a pipe and a comfy pair of slippers. |
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Post by antonio on Sept 22, 2021 1:38:14 GMT
Well one good thing has come out of all this talk of the Mutec clock, it's made me giggle this morning, well done lads  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 22, 2021 10:36:31 GMT
Go and buy one RIGHT NOW F#ck about..... The dimensional change to the soundstage is just indescribable Oh, it's still cold BTW! 😳  |
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Post by electronumpty on Sept 22, 2021 10:57:06 GMT
Go and buy one RIGHT NOW F#ck about..... The dimensional change to the soundstage is just indescribable Oh, it's still cold BTW! 😳 Hark the hearald angels sing...... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 11:18:14 GMT
Go and buy one RIGHT NOW F#ck about..... The dimensional change to the soundstage is just indescribable Oh, it's still cold BTW! 😳 Maybe it will sound Sh#t when warmed up? I don't fancy spending more on a clock than my DAC. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 22, 2021 11:30:27 GMT
Go and buy one RIGHT NOW F#ck about..... The dimensional change to the soundstage is just indescribable Oh, it's still cold BTW! 😳 Maybe it will sound Sh#t when warmed up? I don't fancy spending more on a clock than my DAC. Don't then 🤣 Remember those ice cubes? It's like they're MY ice cubes now 🤣 |
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Post by macca on Sept 22, 2021 11:44:50 GMT
I like all the flashing lights, I don't like that olde worlde typeface though, what were they thinking?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 22, 2021 11:53:02 GMT
I like all the flashing lights, I don't like that olde worlde typeface though, what were they thinking? Yeah, totally naff. However, there are more lights on it now as I have been having a play. Need to get hold of the manual later as the setup won't play certain albums and it appears to be link to the bitrate. Investigation required. |
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Post by macca on Sept 22, 2021 12:08:45 GMT
I bet the manual is the size of a phone book.
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Post by stevew on Sept 22, 2021 12:23:17 GMT
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