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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 16, 2019 22:34:47 GMT
That’s the one I like the look and feel of: The one we sold in the shop. The very earliest 8000a had dins on the back. Apparently sounded different but I never heard one. The grey/brown one with phonos is the one I know. I liked it. If you do look inside you will see they are pretty well built with decent components and a large toroid. Apparently the phono sockets can degrade and come away with age, so maybe tread lightly when plugging and unplugging. I love the looks of this 8000a. A mint boxed one would be a nice thing to own......especially if it still had the Design Centre award tag. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 23:04:09 GMT
I might look at moving mines on. Comes with original box. If you are interested, just message me, Westie.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 16, 2019 23:28:41 GMT
I might look at moving mines on. Comes with original box. If you are interested, just message me, Westie. S. I have possibly two other amps coming in the next week (if sellers don’t back out). If you still have it in a week and one of the two doesn’t happen, I’ll message you. In fact, I’ll message you anyway and explain what’s on the horizon. |
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Post by dsjr on Sept 17, 2019 12:57:01 GMT
We took Audiolab on in their final UK years (D and E issue serial numbers) and I was amazed by this time that when early amps came in for dems, they suddenly seemed to 'sound' better than I remembered from the early days. there was a 'sacrificial' regulator bolted to the sid eof the case I remember that could fail on early ones, but whatever, I felt the 8000A was alright. the introduction of the 8000S though, was a huge step forward and showed the A to be a bit 'dirty' sounding in comparison.
As for fit and feel of the controls, I can't say I could tell any difference apart from the colour, but who knows...
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2019 15:21:40 GMT
We took Audiolab on in their final UK years (D and E issue serial numbers) and I was amazed by this time that when early amps came in for dems, they suddenly seemed to 'sound' better than I remembered from the early days. there was a 'sacrificial' regulator bolted to the sid eof the case I remember that could fail on early ones, but whatever, I felt the 8000A was alright. the introduction of the 8000S though, was a huge step forward and showed the A to be a bit 'dirty' sounding in comparison. As for fit and feel of the controls, I can't say I could tell any difference apart from the colour, but who knows...
I had an 8000lx it had a very short short stay but actually sounded pretty nice. It was just the black looks I didn’t like. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2019 15:33:43 GMT
We took Audiolab on in their final UK years (D and E issue serial numbers) and I was amazed by this time that when early amps came in for dems, they suddenly seemed to 'sound' better than I remembered from the early days. there was a 'sacrificial' regulator bolted to the sid eof the case I remember that could fail on early ones, but whatever, I felt the 8000A was alright. the introduction of the 8000S though, was a huge step forward and showed the A to be a bit 'dirty' sounding in comparison. As for fit and feel of the controls, I can't say I could tell any difference apart from the colour, but who knows...
Probably just me, Dave. I really dislike most black kit, even back Kans tend to be less enjoyable than Afro ones. The eyes really do play a part in hifi. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 15:49:36 GMT
Shane the early ones were best. You gonna be ok with those tone controls, there is a fear yooower hifi will sound better  |
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Post by dsjr on Sept 17, 2019 17:32:38 GMT
Having compared original and later UK spec 8000A I'd honestly say there's not a huge difference, but the later stuff did have some tweaks to improve performance and I think it was measurable too (I can't be arsed to trawl through ten years of HFC amp books to catalogue the history).
Memory fails me as I'm stressed about other stuff, but was the 8000LX an 8000A minus tone controls? The 8000S was definitely better and an easy sale up for us at the time.
What is really interesting for me is how the Chinese made stuff compares? Maybe the caps are less good now - this was one tweak TAG did when they had the brand, to fine tune one or two components, apparently with success (sighted rather than blind I suspect). The Chinese stuff when new was substantially cheaper than the UK gear it's based on. I mention it because the 8000Q preamp was a serious unit at the time I remember.
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 17, 2019 18:03:14 GMT
I had f series, s and 125m. Then got the Tag 125m which was ever so slightly less opaque sounding. Super quiet kit, zero hiss or hum
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2019 18:22:11 GMT
Having compared original and later UK spec 8000A I'd honestly say there's not a huge difference, but the later stuff did have some tweaks to improve performance and I think it was measurable too (I can't be arsed to trawl through ten years of HFC amp books to catalogue the history). Memory fails me as I'm stressed about other stuff, but was the 8000LX an 8000A minus tone controls? The 8000S was definitely better and an easy sale up for us at the time. What is really interesting for me is how the Chinese made stuff compares? Maybe the caps are less good now - this was one tweak TAG did when they had the brand, to fine tune one or two components, apparently with success (sighted rather than blind I suspect). The Chinese stuff when new was substantially cheaper than the UK gear it's based on. I mention it because the 8000Q preamp was a serious unit at the time I remember. It certainly looked like an 8000a without tone controls. I think it had no phono stage too, but I can’t be sure. I really should’ve had that amp longer. I bought it off my mate, listened fora few hours and didn’t take to its lop-sided knob count and black finish, so off it went. I didn’t really get to know if, but it really did sound very good on that one listen. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 19:04:11 GMT
I know the one your on about.. Still prefer the original..
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2019 19:58:41 GMT
The original is a design classic. Everything that followed was tinkering and tampering imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 20:04:16 GMT
The original is a design classic. Everything that followed was tinkering and tampering imo. The Lentek intergrated was the design classic |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 21:28:29 GMT
No huge changes happening here. I'm going to resume back to using my basic bread and butter Denon combo. Pushing my Dali Zensor 3 Speakers. The Dali's sound agreeable enough, and are moderately easy to drive. 45w can easily make the Dali's tear the walls down, lol.
I still fancy trying out another Sugden class a someday.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 7, 2019 21:36:21 GMT
No huge changes happening here. I'm going to resume back to using my basic bread and butter Denon combo. Pushing my Dali Zensor 3 Speakers. The Dali's sound agreeable enough, and are moderately easy to drive. 45w can easily make the Dali's tear the walls down, lol. I still fancy trying out another Sugden class a someday. S. There’s a very nice A21a/L on EBay with a low start price. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 21:45:25 GMT
I'm more interested in the later A21a's.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 21:57:25 GMT
Na Stemfroot 'SF150'
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 7, 2019 21:58:16 GMT
I'm more interested in the later A21a's. S. They are better but they go for twice as much, |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 21:59:37 GMT
Based on your recommendation, have you heard one? S. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 22:12:24 GMT
Sorry it was a 'SF-60' my mistake.. Used to have a silver one with a matching phonostage. When Sugden first started offering em..
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 21, 2019 17:23:48 GMT
Any changes pending? You've stuck with the Denin/Dali combo for a long time, so it must be doing a lot right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:26:30 GMT
Yes, still using the Denon Dali/Combo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 21:21:45 GMT
Ive got an idea Shane. Instead of spending anymore money why not cut out a lotta Amp/CDP/Speaker pictures & arrange them on a collage, see what looks best. If they look perfect to your eyes the Hi-Fi journey is over. After all if you do not turn them on & just look at them how can it not be.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 21:37:50 GMT
Sounds like a good endgame, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 16:27:31 GMT
Shane is that that little stack of CD's on the bottom shelf you entire collection of music? Wow you sure are a troo Audiophile Joking aside, you know im getting a bit like that. My music keeps are getting smaller & smaller less than a hundred only a few months ago, till i decided to keep what i thought worth keeping in as played regular. Now its like say 50/60 albums.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 16:43:48 GMT
Not ashamed to say this. I care much more about the gear than the music. I have more CD's in that room. They are stored on the other side, just not pictured.
Those old Atacama stands could do with a refurbishment. Or I might go for some wooden stands next.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:32:27 GMT
Are they Atacama 'SE'? I bought 'SE24' when they first came out, Amazing amount of heavy metalwork for the low price they were back then..
Dont worry about the small amount as long as its not like six well recorded album, then you would be a 100% proof Audiophile lol.. One of my pet hates is people with giant collections.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:37:20 GMT
Why do you hate people that have giant music collections?
I think they are the SE24. Someone in the past tart them up in silver painting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 17:41:10 GMT
Why do you hate people that have giant music collections? I think they are the SE24. Someone in the past tart them up in silver painting. S. Cos for one it smacks as showing off. Just like people with Hi-Fi components split into as many separate enclosure as physically possible.. |
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