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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 13, 2020 9:45:58 GMT
It's a valve preamp, and a very nice one, but when you have a 686 to run this will be your bottleneck. Even with a Stepped Attenuator.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 10:24:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:52:42 GMT
If I understand correctly, If I get the perforated bottom plate, I don't need to drill the bottom of the chassis, except for the feet?
I can also make the mezzanine out if a sheet of alloy?
Should I get the 1mm "iron" covers, or the 3mm aluminium ones?
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Post by jimbo on Nov 13, 2020 15:36:04 GMT
It's a valve preamp, and a very nice one, but when you have a 686 to run this will be your bottleneck. Even with a Stepped Attenuator. Thats really why a 686 may not be a solution for me. If it is a quirky power amp that only likes a passive preamp strapped to it then that is no good to me. I dont like passives,I know what they do as I used to run them and they are just a bit blahhh.
I think the only reaon you get away with one on the 686 is because of the huge gain you get from the power amp. I used to do this with a Quad 606 for many years thinking it was clean and transparent but when I took the passive out of the system I realised what I was missing.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 13, 2020 15:44:50 GMT
It's a valve preamp, and a very nice one, but when you have a 686 to run this will be your bottleneck. Even with a Stepped Attenuator. Thats really why a 686 may not be a solution for me. If it is a quirky power amp that only likes a passive preamp strapped to it then that is no good to me. I dont like passives,I know what they do as I used to run them and they are just a bit blahhh.
I think the only reaon you get away with one on the 686 is because of the huge gain you get from the power amp. I used to do this with a Quad 606 for many years thinking it was clean and transparent but when I took the passive out of the system I realised what I was missing.
Jim, there is nothing quirky about the 686. My comment about the KIN is based solely on performance, not on its matching ability. You can literally plug a KIN into anything. The 686 Is also quite happy being on a passive, an active or valve or SS....but EVERY amplifier and preamp should be matched for impedance or you'll never get the best out of either. Doesn't matter what it is. The 686 is happiest at 10k according to Tom. Croft preamps and amps are the anomaly, as they have rarely played well with anything else I've tried them with and 100% sound best with their own kind.
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Post by jimbo on Nov 13, 2020 15:51:41 GMT
I have used Croft preamps with a Quad 405 mK2 and Quad 606 without any issues and I would say they are fairly standard power amps so I think if the 686 is only happy at 10k then that limits a lot of preamps you can use with it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 16:14:16 GMT
Yes, but you need to know when to stop jumping down rabbit holes in search of audio Nirvana. The 686 will be the last major change for a while.
I don’t class the BB3 as a major change, as I have most bits, except the case and Traffos.
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Post by firebottle on Nov 13, 2020 16:30:09 GMT
You can drive Neurochrome amps with anything that will drive a 10K impedance. Standard Croft preamps are unusual in they don't normally have a cathode follower output that gives a low output impedance. They are perfectly suited to drive a 100K input impedance of Croft power amps.
Glenn has fitted cathode follower outputs when asked and I have modified one the same.
@kevin the BB3 WILL be a major change, the performance compared to the phono stage in your KIN is a different level entirely. You wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 17:13:39 GMT
I am sure it will be a big change acoustically, but not not financially.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 11:45:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 13:48:32 GMT
Ok, so going with WBT sockets, so need to add 12mm holes into the cad file.
Next question, do the VIBORG CF201 just drop into a Neutrik socket? I can't see the full dimensions for the fixing holes on the Viborg.
Just worked it out, 24mm between centres, so should be ok.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 14:06:57 GMT
And the IEC inlet - do I need one with a filter, like the SCHAFFNER FN9260?
I am guessing a filter is a bad thing, so I am going to fit a FURUTECH FI-03.
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 14, 2020 14:21:23 GMT
Suitably current rated, 10 amps+, a filter won't hurt. Though with the psrr of the 686 its largely moot
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 15:07:28 GMT
So a standard IEC inlet will be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 15:49:27 GMT
Just been checking the details, and it seems that the hole centre distance has changed with the rev. 1.1 686 board. I am glad I spotted that before I launched the order for the case. I have updated the CAD file. I think I am good to go now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 18:15:01 GMT
Here are my modified CAD drawing for my proposed layout. The internal base layout. The side. The rear. Does this look ok?
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Post by firebottle on Nov 14, 2020 20:36:44 GMT
Personally I would mount the 686 boards low on the heatsinks rather than towards the top.
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 14, 2020 20:40:56 GMT
Just above a 1/3 of the way up is optimum on 4u heatsinks. At least it is when maximum convection is required for maximum cooling.
The 686 don't run that hot
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 20:44:03 GMT
I was mounting it that way due to signal paths, and locations of the sockets. I shall however lower them following the advice received.
Thanks gents.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 20:54:09 GMT
Version 2 of the side.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 10:06:18 GMT
If I am mainly going to run this with RCA input, there seems little point in fitting expensive XLR sockets. I think a set of Neutrik will do nicely for now.
If I ever go balanced later, I can update the sockets then.
I am going to get all the bits I need to build the amp together, ready for an enforced Christmas lockdown.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 16, 2020 11:55:17 GMT
Looking forward to seeing this progress
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 12:06:40 GMT
Me too...
I am missing a few parts. It is likely to be early December before I have all of the boards I need.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 16, 2020 17:17:16 GMT
Me too... I am missing a few parts. It is likely to be early December before I have all of the boards I need. Yes, i am experiencing huge delays in stuff getting here. I had a job planned for December but i have had to push it to January now. Annoying. Hopefully you don't have that issue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 17:59:05 GMT
Just choosing the plugs. Looking at WBT pure copper RCA sockets, Furutech mains socket. Cheap and nasty XLR sockets (will only be used to short out the required pins while using the RCA inputs. Speaker binding posts, again tempted by pure copper WBT.
I also need some cabling, so thinking of OCC hook up wire for signals, and maybe OCC for the speaker connections. Certainly getting a bit pricey....
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 16, 2020 18:22:55 GMT
Just choosing the plugs. Looking at WBT pure copper RCA sockets, Furutech mains socket. Cheap and nasty XLR sockets (will only be used to short out the required pins while using the RCA inputs. Speaker binding posts, again tempted by pure copper WBT. I also need some cabling, so thinking of OCC hook up wire for signals, and maybe OCC for the speaker connections. Certainly getting a bit pricey.... I use these exclusively: www.hificollective.co.uk/phono_sockets/cmc-805-cu-g-copper-rca-sockets-gold-plated.htmlI soldered directly to the pcb with spotfire and compared a fair few RCA connectors. These were the most unobtrusive connection out of all of them. KLE, WBT, ELECaudio....not got close to these IMO
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 19:10:40 GMT
What concenrs me is this statement "CMC high purity copper content". Brass has a high copper content, but this states that they have some high purity copper in them.
I was thinking of some WBT-0210Cu.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 16, 2020 19:23:53 GMT
What concenrs me is this statement "CMC high purity copper content". Brass has a high copper content, but this states that they have some high purity copper in them. I was thinking of some WBT-0210Cu. Tut Tut...as if i'd link you to brass crap: www.audio-cmc.com/rca-jacks/rca-jacks-p_31.htmlIgnore the HFC description. This is them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 19:35:42 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 16, 2020 20:53:30 GMT
I use the ones from HFC....they are the "G" ones Perfectly splendid
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