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Post by electronumpty on Oct 3, 2020 14:29:53 GMT
Ok the missus was out today so I had a play with some valves in various positions to see what they would sound like. Also what combos I might prefer. Findings will be below and I will stress that this is completely at a whim with no systematic review at all or measurements of any kind lol.
Also I just played a load of different records rather than doing to review thing kf the same tracks etc over and over again. Can't be arsed with that. 🙂
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 3, 2020 14:35:26 GMT
1st lot
V1 Tesla pcc88
V2 Brimar ecc83
V3 Tele pcc189
Sounded ok , a bit thin and not really very involving at all a bit disappointing really. The Brimar is used ,came out of my guitar amp, so maybe not at its best, that may be a factor.
Albums, some Zep and Aretha Franklin.
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 3, 2020 14:42:19 GMT
2nd
V1 Tesla Pcc88
V2 EI Elite ecc83
V3 Tele pcc189
Much nicer , more tone and body to the music , the EI Elite has a nice tone to it , not forced. Not the most detailed though by the sound of it but a nice listen nonetheless.
Music, some Doors, REM and Flaming lips
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 3, 2020 15:05:02 GMT
3rd
V1 Tele pcc88
V2 EI Elite ecc83
V3 Tele pcc189
Put another tele in the V1 position, big jump in air and space in the music. Longer lasting notes and more detail. Very nice, sounds like the Tele pcc189 and pcc88 combo work well together. Shows of the EI valve better to. I could live with this sound quite easily.
Music, Jon Mitchell , Some Floyd
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 3, 2020 16:56:51 GMT
4th
V1 Tele pcc88
V2 Tesla E83cc
V3 Tele pcc189
Swapped the Elite out for the Tesla E83cc, these are supposed to be as near as you can get to the fabled Tele 803s. Frame grid construction on machines that were sold to Tesla by Telefunken after the ceased production in the early 70s.
I'm a bit sceptical sometimes of all the hypre re valves but these seem to have a universally good rep on the net. Plus I picked up a NOS one for about £50 so worth a shot I reckon.
Wow, 😲 major uplift all round in sound. Channel seperation, detail, the attack and decay in notes. Bass better defined and deeper. Massive increase in the presence and sense of the music all round.
I would definitely suggest trying one of these of you can get one at a reasonable price . Far more accessible atm than most Telefunken ecc83s.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 17:38:00 GMT
I'm looking for one of these Andrew. It's the last valve I will try in the V2 position. Nothing has bettered my TFK ECC83...SO FAR I've been rolling today too:  |
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Post by firebottle on Oct 3, 2020 18:00:02 GMT
I have to agree the Telefunken ECC83 has been the best in V2 position so far.
I am using a Matsushita PCC88 in V1 position and a Brimar PCC189 (I think, without looking) in V3 position.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 18:05:00 GMT
I have to agree the Telefunken ECC83 has been the best in V2 position so far. I am using a Matsushita PCC88 in V1 position and a Brimar PCC189 (I think, without looking) in V3 position. We can do better than that! |
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 3, 2020 18:15:46 GMT
I managed to get a pair or EI pcc88s cheaply so will try them too sometime. Not heard a Tele ecc83 so can't compare to the Tesla.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 18:36:16 GMT
I managed to get a pair or EI pcc88s cheaply so will try them too sometime. Not heard a Tele ecc83 so can't compare to the Tesla. Are they the ones from Italy? I don't think they are the same era as all the good ones they made as Nisk. I checked them out. £2.50 per valve? Seemed too good to true. |
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Post by firebottle on Oct 3, 2020 18:50:52 GMT
I have to agree the Telefunken ECC83 has been the best in V2 position so far. I am using a Matsushita PCC88 in V1 position and a Brimar PCC189 (I think, without looking) in V3 position. We can do better than that! Yes but I need the delivery fom you 🙂 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 18:57:46 GMT
We can do better than that! Yes but I need the delivery fom you 🙂 Are you back yet??? I'm off this week so leave it with me and I'll drop them in or you can pop over |
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 3, 2020 19:01:49 GMT
I managed to get a pair or EI pcc88s cheaply so will try them too sometime. Not heard a Tele ecc83 so can't compare to the Tesla. Are they the ones from Italy? I don't think they are the same era as all the good ones they made as Nisk. I checked them out. £2.50 per valve? Seemed too good to true. No from Croatia, £25 a pair. Haven't tried them yet. |
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Post by firebottle on Oct 4, 2020 4:52:09 GMT
Yes but I need the delivery fom you 🙂 Are you back yet??? I'm off this week so leave it with me and I'll drop them in or you can pop over No not yet, another week. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 4, 2020 7:24:09 GMT
Are you back yet??? I'm off this week so leave it with me and I'll drop them in or you can pop over No not yet, another week. Swine lol |
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 20, 2020 19:29:21 GMT
Tried the EI PCC88s today with the Tesla E83CC, first impressions are that they are very nice. Clear detailed and good imaging. Closer in sound to the Teles than the tesla PCC88s. Will give them a few hours run in before a more detailed assessment. Not disappointed so far though.  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 20, 2020 20:05:59 GMT
Tried the EI PCC88s today with the Tesla E83CC, first impressions are that they are very nice. Clear detailed and good imaging. Closer in sound to the Teles than the tesla PCC88s. Will give them a few hours run in before a more detailed assessment. Not disappointed so far though. They are great little valves the Ei I had an Ei ECC83 in the middle for a few days and it didn't leave me wanting. Although the valve itself cost more than the TFK i have! |
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Post by da2222 on Oct 25, 2020 20:21:18 GMT
Nothing has bettered my TFK ECC83...SO FAR I've been rolling today too: Oli, the 1950s Tungsram ecc83 foil getter has knocked the TFKECC83 out of the park in every amp I've tried it in over the years. I've yet to find an ECC83 that comes close to it. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 25, 2020 21:52:44 GMT
Nothing has bettered my TFK ECC83...SO FAR I've been rolling today too: Oli, the 1950s Tungsram ecc83 foil getter has knocked the TFKECC83 out of the park in every amp I've tried it in over the years. I've yet to find an ECC83 that comes close to it. Are we talking in terms of transparency, clarity and resolution, or tonal richness? I'd happily try one but I am wary of things getting too lush/Rich/Rosey. Let me know what they are like. |
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Post by da2222 on Oct 26, 2020 8:55:40 GMT
HI Oli
Drop me your address and I'll send you one to try. I'd simply say IME everything is improved upon- it sounds like a 'bigger' tube, with wonderful soundstage, very dynamic and hitting the mark throughout the tonal range. Obviously it'll be system dependent like all tubes, but having tried it on a variety of applications, it has come up trumps every time.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 26, 2020 9:22:17 GMT
HI Oli Drop me your address and I'll send you one to try. I'd simply say IME everything is improved upon- it sounds like a 'bigger' tube, with wonderful soundstage, very dynamic and hitting the mark throughout the tonal range. Obviously it'll be system dependent like all tubes, but having tried it on a variety of applications, it has come up trumps every time. Thats very kind of you! I shall do just that. P.S I have replied to your PM  |
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Post by electronumpty on Dec 17, 2020 0:39:37 GMT
Just got some Siemens pcc88s on order, will be interesting to see how they match up against the Telefunkens and others when they get here. Xmas post might delay them a bit tho.
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Post by electronumpty on Jan 12, 2021 15:02:53 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 12, 2021 15:07:39 GMT
They are nice!
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Post by electronumpty on Jan 12, 2021 15:14:32 GMT
Itching to try them! Be interesting to compare to the teles.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 12, 2021 15:19:36 GMT
Itching to try them! Be interesting to compare to the teles. I use the TFK branded version of these. Very clean sounding. I like them a lot. |
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Post by electronumpty on Jan 12, 2021 16:01:33 GMT
Cool, should be good. Got a batch so will be selling the extras on sometime.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 13, 2021 8:49:23 GMT
Cool, should be good. Got a batch so will be selling the extras on sometime. I'd hang on to them Andy, if you like them. |
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Post by electronumpty on Jan 13, 2021 12:24:55 GMT
Cool, should be good. Got a batch so will be selling the extras on sometime. I'd hang on to them Andy, if you like them. Maybe , there is no rush and I probably have have more than I need. Sound very good though after about 5 hours in 🙂 |
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Post by electronumpty on Jan 29, 2021 22:17:43 GMT
Ok so been playing the Siemens PCC88 for a while now and they have settled down. In terms of sound they are very detailed, crisp and clear. The channel separation is very good and I would rate them higher than the Berlin/Ulm Teles in this respect. A very neutral sound, obviously if you don't like neutral they may not be for you.
I am getting little nuances through in the recordings that I have not heard before , this is especially true through my Neurochrome headphone amp into my Hifiman headphones which are more revealing than my speakers. Very nice valves.
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