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Post by antonio on May 13, 2021 0:50:38 GMT
Don't know how I missed, yes I do, I scan through too quickly, thanks Cagey. My amp uses only two ECC82's and one ECC83, so looked at th top section and would mind giving them a go, but a little bit rich for my blood at present. Don't know anything about ECC186/7136 tubes, are they a drop in replacement for the ECC82? It was my birthday a few days ago, so if any of you fancy passing the hat round, I'd like the Seimens or the Tele's  |
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Post by spider on May 13, 2021 16:20:43 GMT
Yeah I saw those on AOS
Seem a bit spendy
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Post by Bigman80 on May 13, 2021 16:39:15 GMT
Yeah I saw those on AOS Seem a bit spendy 😱 Drew is a member here. His valves will be top quality, so like all things they will cost a bit more. He loaned me a Tungsram....it was epic. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 16:42:15 GMT
They seemed perfectly reasonable to me. The TFKs were about £65 each.
The Valvo are 1950s and supposed to be a bit special.
There is a high chance that the Mazda are TFK made as well.
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Post by da2222 on May 13, 2021 19:26:36 GMT
Don't know how I missed, yes I do, I scan through too quickly, thanks Cagey. My amp uses only two ECC82's and one ECC83, so looked at th top section and would mind giving them a go, but a little bit rich for my blood at present. Don't know anything about ECC186/7136 tubes, are they a drop in replacement for the ECC82? It was my birthday a few days ago, so if any of you fancy passing the hat round, I'd like the Seimens or the Tele's Hi Antonio, yes the ECC186/7136 tubes are basically very high spec, ECC82/12AU7s. Of this particular tube type I haven't heard better, Expensive? Absolutely :-) |
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Post by da2222 on May 13, 2021 20:03:07 GMT
Yeah I saw those on AOS Seem a bit spendy 😱 Drew is a member here. His valves will be top quality, so like all things they will cost a bit more. He loaned me a Tungsram....it was epic. Hi Ollie and thanks for the kind words Certain valve prices nowadays are undoubtedly insane; not only is NOS stock rapidly dwindling, folk are merrily jumping on the bandwagon of the the next best internet tube endorsement. Before Joe's Tube Lore hit the net, 5751s and certain ECC83/82 types could be picked up for a couple of dollars. Just one example of many...Opinions have become fact and worth their weight in gold, with prices rising accordingly. 'Holy Grail' tubes abound... It's pretty obvious the amount of heavily used, noisy junk on sale VASTLY outnumbers the few clean examples remaining. The extended chain of those buying valves using them a little, before passing them on after sourcing the next best replacement as new, or worse still, NOS (a real personal bug bear!) is nigh on infinite... If a valve is not tested on reliable calibrated equipment and better still, then in situ, chances are you're going to be disappointed. This is only going to worsen as the years roll on. I like to keep my AVO 160Ct regularly serviced and when selling tubes ensure test parameters are met or, indeed, bettered. |
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Post by antonio on May 14, 2021 6:53:57 GMT
Sorry da222, didn't realise it was you selling those tubes on AoS, why not also put an ad up on this forum, must reckon we're a tight bunch of bas---ds, with all you diy fanatics, and never buy new believers. |
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Post by spider on May 14, 2021 8:03:34 GMT
Yeah I saw those on AOS Seem a bit spendy 😱 Drew is a member here. His valves will be top quality, so like all things they will cost a bit more. He loaned me a Tungsram....it was epic. I’m learning all the time about valves. good to know who the good sellers are, the price of valves is definitely rising. as you say it is worth the extra for quality 👍👍 |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 8:10:24 GMT
I have been quietly trying to find a foil getter ECC83.
A Tesla one popped up on eBay, at a price too good to be true, so I left it there, as I doubt it is one worth getting.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 14, 2021 8:14:22 GMT
Drew is a member here. His valves will be top quality, so like all things they will cost a bit more. He loaned me a Tungsram....it was epic. I’m learning all the time about valves. good to know who the good sellers are, the price of valves is definitely rising. as you say it is worth the extra for quality 👍👍 Apologies if my reply seemed a bit sharp. I was typing on the move! Yes valve prices are rocketing and like Drew said, there are only a finite number of NOS valves left and when they're gone, it will be on to current production stuff, and honestly...that's going to be a very sad day. They just aren't up to standard IMO. I have received a nice little tip off about some "NOS specials" that will soon be coming to market. Once I've bought my fill, and have confirmation from my source that he has filled his boots too, I'll share the link here. |
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Post by Bigman80 on May 14, 2021 8:16:41 GMT
Drew is a member here. His valves will be top quality, so like all things they will cost a bit more. He loaned me a Tungsram....it was epic. Hi Ollie and thanks for the kind words Certain valve prices nowadays are undoubtedly insane; not only is NOS stock rapidly dwindling, folk are merrily jumping on the bandwagon of the the next best internet tube endorsement. Before Joe's Tube Lore hit the net, 5751s and certain ECC83/82 types could be picked up for a couple of dollars. Just one example of many...Opinions have become fact and worth their weight in gold, with prices rising accordingly. 'Holy Grail' tubes abound... It's pretty obvious the amount of heavily used, noisy junk on sale VASTLY outnumbers the few clean examples remaining. The extended chain of those buying valves using them a little, before passing them on after sourcing the next best replacement as new, or worse still, NOS (a real personal bug bear!) is nigh on infinite... If a valve is not tested on reliable calibrated equipment and better still, then in situ, chances are you're going to be disappointed. This is only going to worsen as the years roll on. I like to keep my AVO 160Ct regularly serviced and when selling tubes ensure test parameters are met or, indeed, bettered. I don't think folk are aware that you're a 'valve connoisseur' Trusted valves from a trusted source are worth the little extra IMO. Good luck selling them all off. |
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Post by alit on May 14, 2021 8:25:40 GMT
I’m learning all the time about valves. good to know who the good sellers are, the price of valves is definitely rising. as you say it is worth the extra for quality 👍👍 Apologies if my reply seemed a bit sharp. I was typing on the move! Yes valve prices are rocketing and like Drew said, there are only a finite number of NOS valves left and when they're gone, it will be on to current production stuff, and honestly...that's going to be a very sad day. They just aren't up to standard IMO. I have received a nice little tip off about some "NOS specials" that will soon be coming to market. Once I've bought my fill, and have confirmation from my source that he has filled his boots too, I'll share the link here. The current stuff has gotten a lot better over the years imo, as long as the demand is there I don't see any reason it shouldn't continue to do so. Whether it'll ever equal or better the best of NOS is another question though.. |
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Post by Bigman80 on May 14, 2021 8:48:38 GMT
Apologies if my reply seemed a bit sharp. I was typing on the move! Yes valve prices are rocketing and like Drew said, there are only a finite number of NOS valves left and when they're gone, it will be on to current production stuff, and honestly...that's going to be a very sad day. They just aren't up to standard IMO. I have received a nice little tip off about some "NOS specials" that will soon be coming to market. Once I've bought my fill, and have confirmation from my source that he has filled his boots too, I'll share the link here. The current stuff has gotten a lot better over the years imo, as long as the demand is there I don't see any reason it shouldn't continue to do so. Whether it'll ever equal or better the best of NOS is another question though.. Yup, new valves are certainly better than they were. I am using a Sovtek in my BB3, and it's bloody good for £17.00. However, the TFK still rules the roost here. Whilst I would hold high hopes for further improvements, I think there is a bit of magic in the old stock and that's likely down to the materials they were able to use, versus what would be banned substances these days. I think although TFK sold off their machenery, they didn't divulge the coating they used inside the valve. jimbo pointed that out to me and I think he has a point! |
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Post by alit on May 14, 2021 11:25:38 GMT
Yes I do think that is likely, its also been mooted to me in the past that its the actual age of the valves, that age may do something to the materials or metals- may be one reason really old triodes like PX4 et al can sound so special.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 17, 2021 21:26:09 GMT
Whether the age of a valve is where the secret lies with these glass bottles, i don't know. What i do know is:
For the last 4-5 weeks i have refused to use a TFK in the ECC83 position of my BB3. Instead, i have been using a Sovtek LPS valve. I decided to give one of these a try after i heard one recently.
The last 4-5 weeks almost had me convinced that the Sovtek could bridge the gap between NOS and current production and for the £17 it cost, i wouldn't hesitate to recommend one.
However, today i pulled out my Vintage TFK long plate and fired up the system.
Sh#t the bed! What a difference. The TFK sounded bigger. Wider and deeper. There is a distinct level change in performance. The detail is obviously more abundant and the transients are totally free of restriction.
It's been a long time since i reminded myself of why i love vintage TFK's so much. They are very special.
I must restock!!
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Post by antonio on May 19, 2021 1:50:03 GMT
I must try one of these Tele's in the future
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Post by da2222 on May 20, 2021 19:14:00 GMT
Yeah I saw those on AOS Seem a bit spendy 😱 Drew is a member here. His valves will be top quality, so like all things they will cost a bit more. He loaned me a Tungsram....it was epic. BTW re prices, many of the tubes I listed on AOS are very rare/ desirable types (testing new or better), so yes, they are expensive BUT certainly not comparatively speaking- eBay and online established tube sellers ask significantly more for similar, often untested tubes:-) |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 19:15:20 GMT
How can I tell,if a Tesla foil getter is a real one?
There are several for sale on eBay, but they seem too cheap.
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Post by da2222 on May 20, 2021 19:17:50 GMT
Sorry da222, didn't realise it was you selling those tubes on AoS, why not also put an ad up on this forum, must reckon we're a tight bunch of bas---ds, with all you diy fanatics, and never buy new believers. Not at all Antonio.. I had intended putting an ad up here, just been lazy with the photos and write ups. I may have some free time tomorrow to list a few tubes that might be of interest. |
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Post by da2222 on May 20, 2021 19:29:24 GMT
How can I tell,if a Tesla foil getter is a real one? There are several for sale on eBay, but they seem too cheap. I believe the new issue JJ TESLAS look very similar to the genuine ones but differences can be seen in the shape of the glass dome which is less round in the case of the TESLAs. Real TESLAs- on the whole- have a much darker getter flash too... Lovely tube but IME, not one of the best |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 19:48:17 GMT
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Post by da2222 on May 20, 2021 20:14:40 GMT
Another nice tube...However with import fees and postage you're talking 280 euro + for a tube that- though usually low in noise and microphonics- is to my ears no better than the standard, post 1960s Tunsgram. A great tube but much less of a hit to the wallet... |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 20:16:52 GMT
I am based in France. I can get one for about €85.
Thanks for the info.
If you have any interesting ECC83 for sale, please let me know...
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Post by da2222 on May 20, 2021 20:24:39 GMT
I am based in France. I can get one for about €85. Thanks for the info. If you have any interesting ECC83 for sale, please let me know... Ak ok...that makes sense. As I mentioned to Antonio, I hope to have some time tomorrow to list various vintage ECC83/12AX7s including Valvo, Miniwatt (Amperex) and Marconi long plates from the 1950s. Maybe a couple of extra-niche ones too. Quite a few people have enquired about single ECC83s so I'll see what I can come up with... |
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Post by antonio on May 21, 2021 5:17:31 GMT
You've dropped yourself in it now Cagey, you've just re-armed me and others on here for when you make a comment about 'expensive', and "I can't afford that!" Oh, hang on a minute, you think you can get one cheaper in France |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 22:06:03 GMT
You've dropped yourself in it now Cagey, you've just re-armed me and others on here for when you make a comment about 'expensive', and "I can't afford that!" Oh, hang on a minute, you think you can get one cheaper in France I know I can get a cheaper one in France.  |
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Post by da2222 on May 23, 2021 5:40:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 5:42:07 GMT
Before I managed to write a witty response and hit the post button....
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 16:52:35 GMT
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Post by antonio on May 24, 2021 21:01:07 GMT
I thought you were looking for PCC88's?
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