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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 11:48:54 GMT
There is a diamond on the bottom.
It looks like a Type 1 ECC83 made in the Berlin factory.
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Post by gninnam on May 6, 2021 11:50:53 GMT
Surely you can tell by installing it and listening to the sound quality? And if you can't then it doesn't matter anyway.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 11:54:49 GMT
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Post by gninnam on May 6, 2021 12:16:47 GMT
Based on all your detecive work we can say it looks genuine (not sure if it sounds genuine yet)?
Will try to find some time to try it (in the middle of a major crisis at work so working 18 hour days.......)
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Post by gninnam on May 6, 2021 12:17:32 GMT
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Post by jandl100 on May 6, 2021 12:19:58 GMT
Surely you can tell by installing it and listening to the sound quality? And if you can't then it doesn't matter anyway. Haha! Of course. I once received an an alleged "Telefunken" valve, only to find it had no diamond. Really quite pissed off! But I thought I'd plug it in and... it sounded really good! So I kept it. Maybe it actually was a TFK based on what Oli says. I'll dig it out and have a look for a dimple. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 13:18:44 GMT
Looks like it was made in Berlin on the 13th december, 1966.
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Post by gninnam on May 6, 2021 13:22:37 GMT
So its younger than me which is good  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 13:26:39 GMT
The question is, does the printed label come off easily? If it does not flake off easily, then you could have a very good fake.
The fact it does not have gold pins is another sign it is real.
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Post by gninnam on May 6, 2021 13:46:23 GMT
I felt cruel scratching the label with my finger nail but all good |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 16:43:15 GMT
I don’t think it is a fake then.
Can you see the square shape between the pins? It looks like it is there on the photo.
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Post by gninnam on May 6, 2021 19:43:37 GMT
Too dark to tell now so will have a look in the morning. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 20:32:49 GMT
The diamond needs to be raised from the surface, not etched in.
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Post by gninnam on May 7, 2021 15:21:55 GMT
Yes - the diamond is raised But, of more concern to me is this hanging down - see pictures below   |
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Post by firebottle on May 7, 2021 15:24:13 GMT
Do you mean the internal mica disc? Providing all the connections are secure it should be OK.
(Don't rattle it too much)
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Post by gninnam on May 7, 2021 15:49:38 GMT
I do and thanks - will ignore it then and try it in the BB3 when I get the chance.
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Post by gninnam on Jun 13, 2021 10:13:04 GMT
Not been on lately due to issues at work (company suffered a cyber attack so for the last 4 weeks I was working 17 hour days trying to work with the other IT teams to undo the mess they caused, almost there now!!)
Toying with going in a new direction and selling off the Orbe with all of Pete's (off of the WAM and AOS sites) tweaks including the clear platter but not sure what to value it at and also maybe the SME V, but the chances of getting another one of these great arms at a good price will now be slim so not sure on the arm....
Have an old (well, I have had it since new, bought in 1995) RB300 which I could add in the sale....... or do I keep everything and continue to update using Pete's next tweaks??
Hmm - what to do!!
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Post by macca on Jun 13, 2021 11:16:44 GMT
I read they don't sell SME arms separately anymore so you might be best hanging onto it.
Ebay asking prices seem to be £6K to £9K! Mother of God!
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Post by gninnam on Jun 13, 2021 11:31:41 GMT
I read they don't sell SME arms separately anymore so you might be best hanging onto it. Ebay asking prices seem to be £6K to £9K! Mother of God! That was my thought as always wanted one and finally got one 2 years ago - before I even used it I sent it off to SME for a service which cost £800 - the service included a new arm tube I believe. it is as good as new so probably worth £4k on the market if being realistic. Orbe probably worth £2.5k to £3k as is but like I said, just thinking about it! |
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Post by mikeyb on Jun 13, 2021 11:57:34 GMT
Used SME Vs went from £1800 to £2500 in a matter of days after the announcement.
If you don’t need the money…….
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Post by macca on Jun 13, 2021 12:00:46 GMT
what's the new direction then? Direct drive?
If I was going back to it I'd have an SP10 in a concrete plinth with a top shag linear tracking arm. You could do that and have change.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 13, 2021 12:24:48 GMT
what's the new direction then? Direct drive? If I was going back to it I'd have an SP10 in a concrete plinth with a top shag linear tracking arm. You could do that and have change. Concrete plinth? |
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Post by macca on Jun 13, 2021 12:43:09 GMT
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Post by gninnam on Jun 13, 2021 13:41:05 GMT
what's the new direction then? Direct drive? If I was going back to it I'd have an SP10 in a concrete plinth with a top shag linear tracking arm. You could do that and have change. Yes - thinking of going DD as never owned a DD turntable and have an itch to scratch. Interesting about the concrete plinth and linear tracker as the later is also on the radar - heard mixed results using concrete but never say never!! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 13, 2021 16:29:10 GMT
I read a huge science based article on the merits/drawbacks of certain materials in the specific use of TT plinths and remember seeing Granite, Slate and concrete sit firmly at the bottom of the rankings. Something about the concrete being essentially porous? EIther way, Panzerholz sat clearly at the top. Regardless, i would say the holographic soundstage had sweet FA to do with the plinth and was most likely down to the room and speaker interaction. I heard exactly what you describe in two systems. One was Jimbos, using a VPI, Croft Pre, power and spendors. The other was an SP10 in Panzer plinth, using a BT2, 686 and Heco Speakers. Vastly different systems but both used the space in and around the speakers to fantastic advantage. |
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Post by macca on Jun 13, 2021 16:48:18 GMT
I'd have been inclined to agree except the system was just lashed up in a pub function room and the other decks present didn't manage to come close, including another Technics in a wood plinth.
But yeah, there's lots of variables especially with turntables.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 13, 2021 17:06:03 GMT
I'd have been inclined to agree except the system was just lashed up in a pub function room and the other decks present didn't manage to come close, including another Technics in a wood plinth. But yeah, there's lots of variables especially with turntables. Hmm.....I wonder what else was going on then?  |
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Post by macca on Jun 13, 2021 18:11:08 GMT
Linear tracking arm with air bearing probably helped. But I got the concrete thing in my head so always wanted to go that way.
I thought it would be good since the resonant frequency would be so low. But that might be a layman's misapprehension.
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Post by karma67 on Jun 13, 2021 18:36:35 GMT
try hitting a concrete slab with your knuckles,it resonates a lot.
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Post by macca on Jun 14, 2021 6:43:08 GMT
everything resonates at some frequency, you just don't want it to resonate at any frequency likely to be produced when you are playing music.
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