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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 13, 2020 20:25:26 GMT
Okay what about that black box Neurowotsitthingy instead then? I'll chuck in me lucky gobstopper on top (free fluff and all) as a sweetener ? Can't say fairer than that now.🤗 I'll raise the stakes with a 50'er conker as well as a quarter of aniseed balls If someone chucks in some cola cubes, it could be a clincher
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 13, 2020 21:20:27 GMT
I'll raise the stakes with a 50'er conker as well as a quarter of aniseed balls If someone chucks in some cola cubes, it could be a clincher Man, this biddings getting too rich for me , I'm outta here....(puts gobstopper back in mouth)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 21:25:34 GMT
I always thought it was Kola Kobe’s (to avoid copyright issues). If it was pear drops, rhubarb and custard or cough candy twist, I may have been able to do something, but Kola cubes, that is just beyond me.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 13, 2020 21:34:30 GMT
I knew it.....tightarses..
Kola cubes are a gift from the heavens.
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 13, 2020 22:26:35 GMT
I knew it.....tightarses.. Kola cubes are a gift from the heavens. Dude , u knocked it with your unreasonable demands. I mean Kola cubes FFS! I knew you had expensive tastes but that's taking the piss, next you'll be after Dib Dabs and Allsorts
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 13, 2020 22:27:13 GMT
I knew it.....tightarses.. Kola cubes are a gift from the heavens. Dude , u knocked it with your unreasonable demands. I mean Kola cubes FFS! I knew you had expensive tastes but that's taking the piss, next you'll be after Dib Dabs and Allsorts You're right...I am incredibly greedy. I'll never change.
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 13, 2020 22:39:52 GMT
Nah, I don't think you are somehow
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:14:00 GMT
So, predictions are that we will see a peak of the number of cases here in France at the end of next week. I think that the company I work for will look at splitting the working time, so if there are 10 of you in the office normally, 5 will work days and 5 nights. Oh joy.
The biggest point that seems to have been made is that if you think you have symptoms, DO NOT take Ibuprofen. Stick to paracetamol. Advice published by the medical services here are to - Clean your hands on a regular basis, drink hot drinks, avoid drinking cold/chilled water. Eat soup etc.
I am self isolating where possible. Avoiding crowds. I am thinking of avoiding the canteen at work next week, and taking food in from home.
Am I over-reacting? I think not....
I know of someone who has been exposed to it at work, by a colleague.
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Post by stevew on Mar 14, 2020 12:40:42 GMT
So, predictions are that we will see a peak of the number of cases here in France at the end of next week. I think that the company I work for will look at splitting the working time, so if there are 10 of you in the office normally, 5 will work days and 5 nights. Oh joy. The biggest point that seems to have been made is that if you think you have symptoms, DO NOT take Ibuprofen. Stick to paracetamol. Advice published by the medical services here are to - Clean your hands on a regular basis, drink hot drinks, avoid drinking cold/chilled water. Eat soup etc. I am self isolating where possible. Avoiding crowds. I am thinking of avoiding the canteen at work next week, and taking food in from home. Am I over-reacting? I think not.... I know of someone who has been exposed to it at work, by a colleague. It’s not possible to over react to this. We are really worried. Need to get through to Wednesday when my wife finishes her last radiotherapy- which has followed 7 months of chemo and surgery. I woke up in the middle of the night in a real old panic because I was sweating like mad. Turns out we all were -probably msg from the Chinese we had! Anyway all well in the cold light of day. So we are in our own little lock down.
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 14, 2020 13:28:15 GMT
If it keeps you or loved ones alive then it is not overreacting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 8:47:00 GMT
France has progressed to Stage 3. All non essential shops are closed. We have been asked to limit going out, and to stop having family/friends gatherings. I am waiting to see if I physically need to go to work tomorrow, or if I can work from home.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 15, 2020 9:04:11 GMT
France has progressed to Stage 3. All non essential shops are closed. We have been asked to limit going out, and to stop having family/friends gatherings. I am waiting to see if I physically need to go to work tomorrow, or if I can work from home. We're being left to develop Herd Immunity Ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 9:06:19 GMT
Yes. Unless you need to go out, I would be staying at home, not seeing anybody. We have about three weeks left of the school term, then it is the Easter holidays.
We had planned to go and see some friends in Scotland, but I think that is likely to be cancelled.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 15, 2020 9:45:06 GMT
Yes. Unless you need to go out, I would be staying at home, not seeing anybody. We have about three weeks left of the school term, then it is the Easter holidays. We had planned to go and see some friends in Scotland, but I think that is likely to be cancelled. It's better safe that sorry Not worried about the immediate family, we're all quite robust but the old girl has COPD so she could be in big trouble if she caught it
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Post by macca on Mar 15, 2020 9:48:46 GMT
France has progressed to Stage 3. All non essential shops are closed. We have been asked to limit going out, and to stop having family/friends gatherings. I am waiting to see if I physically need to go to work tomorrow, or if I can work from home. We're being left to develop Herd Immunity Ridiculous On the contrary it is probably the most viable strategy although admittedly none of the available strategies are that great. The alternative is to shut the whole country down for 3 weeks or more as France and Italy are doing. But then when you re-open it only takes one infected person coming in from abroad to start the whole ball rolling again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 10:12:17 GMT
I think the idea is to stop it spreading.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 15, 2020 10:13:09 GMT
We're being left to develop Herd Immunity Ridiculous On the contrary it is probably the most viable strategy although admittedly none of the available strategies are that great. The alternative is to shut the whole country down for 3 weeks or more as France and Italy are doing. But then when you re-open it only takes one infected person coming in from abroad to start the whole ball rolling again. It's a plan to do precisely nothing. That's what is annoying. I know there aren't any real options but it just seems a total British attitude. Also, theres the 4 weeks behind Italy idea, when the fact is its 10-14 days in reality. I dislike the approach
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Post by macca on Mar 15, 2020 10:17:28 GMT
If that is possible then containment strategy is best. If that is not possible then herd immunity strategy is best. Take your pick.
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Post by macca on Mar 15, 2020 10:22:36 GMT
On the contrary it is probably the most viable strategy although admittedly none of the available strategies are that great. The alternative is to shut the whole country down for 3 weeks or more as France and Italy are doing. But then when you re-open it only takes one infected person coming in from abroad to start the whole ball rolling again. It's a plan to do precisely nothing. That's what is annoying. I know there aren't any real options but it just seems a total British attitude. It is but then it's got us this far....look at The Blitz, death raining down from above, everyone just took their chances and carried on as normal. In the war they never told the public about the V2 rockets, pretended the strikes were gas explosions, mass panic being much worse outcome than a relative handful of deaths from the explosions. If you're in the big chair you got to make some really tough decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 16:38:08 GMT
Germany are now closing their borders. I think France will follow soon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 17:41:47 GMT
Close the borders (this ought to have been done as soon as we realised what was going on in China) and carry on as normal but suggest that anyone over 60 self isolates for their own good providing they have others to look after their needs such as shopping. Self isolation doesn't mean you can't go out for a walk...rather it shouldn't mean that. It should mean staying away from confined public places such as shops, libraries, public transport etc. 80% are going to be infected of which the estimated death toll will be 1% of that 80% and 80% of that 1% will be in the over 60 category. Confused yet? You will be.
The whole thing has become a media circus hyping up the risks to a vast majority who have no need to worry and the selfish outcome as I'm sure we've all witnessed now is shelves being cleared by utter halfwits in most supermarkets. For that, the media are largely culpable by their hysterics and senseless ramping up concerns. The politicians sensibly started out with a scientist backed evidence led strategy and only now have capitulated to media induced mass hysteria in case it affects their political standing (politicians will be politicians). That is down to the media. The UK have a reputation in recent decades for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory largely down to media influenced political reaction to public perceptions gained from....you guessed it...the media!
What the whole episode has shone a spotlight on is the total irrelevance and non-importance in the real world (not the imagined one shaped by fake news) of a whole raft of " woke"issues which have conveniently shrunk away into insignificance now that the media and the government have something bigger to sell to the public.
Common sense dictates that we don not panic buy, that we take sensible precautions commensurate with family risk profiles and most importantly that we carry on, as far was we can, as normal. Delaying the peak is the challenge and it's not beyond the wit of man to ensure that whilst keeping daily life and cogs of industry going, or at least it oughtn't to be.
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Post by macca on Mar 15, 2020 17:48:28 GMT
I've not witnessed shelves being cleared by anyone, was in the supermarket this morning, all completely normal and fully stocked.
Wouldn't surprise me if the tv news sent stooges in to clear the shelves just to give them a story with some good 'end of the world' images.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 15, 2020 19:15:05 GMT
I've not witnessed shelves being cleared by anyone, was in the supermarket this morning, all completely normal and fully stocked. Wouldn't surprise me if the tv news sent stooges in to clear the shelves just to give them a story with some good 'end of the world' images. Went to Sainsburys earlier, for a bottle o milk. Looked like it had been ransacked. Trolleys piled higher than H&S would allow and literally anything with soap in was gone. No shampoo, no washing up liquid, nothing. Absolutely ridiculous. Popped to the corner shop and he had everything Sainsburys didn't
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 15, 2020 19:46:29 GMT
I understand the Gvts approach with the herd immunity thing , it's quite nuanced though and there is a lack of clarity with it. I think that many will not understand why they are not bein more proactive though.
The big risk with the herd immunity thing imo is that nobody really knows what reinfection rates might be as this is to new to tell.
If 60 % or so of the population need to get infected to achieve this fine but - what measures are they actively taking to protect those vulnerable groups? They have not made this clear at all which is a real failing and seem to be reacting to what people are doing already - eg thinking about banning large gatherings. This decision has largely been made for them by organisers like the premier league etc.
Even if they are aiming for eventual herd immunity as an outcome then taking action to limit disease vectors would seem to me to be a priority to flatten the curve, this is not being done. People are starting to enact social distancing already without Gvt encouragement which I think is a good thing overall.
Now they appear to be reacting to other pressures as Paul says which is not a good thing and will only reduce confidence in whatever measures they decide to take in the future. It's all a bit Yes Minister really, shaping to be classic British F#ck up, after years of NHS neglect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 20:41:13 GMT
I have been told to work from home tomorrow. We only need one person from our team in the office, apparently, so I am likely to have to go in one day a week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 21:01:45 GMT
I've not witnessed shelves being cleared by anyone, was in the supermarket this morning, all completely normal and fully stocked. Wouldn't surprise me if the tv news sent stooges in to clear the shelves just to give them a story with some good 'end of the world' images. Went to Sainsburys earlier, for a bottle o milk. Looked like it had been ransacked. Trolleys piled higher than H&S would allow and literally anything with soap in was gone. No shampoo, no washing up liquid, nothing. Absolutely ridiculous. Popped to the corner shop and he had everything Sainsburys didn't Same here. Went in yesterday and I don't know what it says about our local demographic but the white wine shelves were emptying fast (not red though), there was no flour ....baking goods shelves were mostly empty, toilet rolls decimated, no hand wash, soap or bread, no paracetamol. Utterly ridiculous and selfish. The same selfish tossers bulk buying bread are the same ones who couldn't usually be arsed to make bread from all the (bread) flour they'd bought up no doubt! Was informed tonight by someone in the pub trade that they've been told to ready themselves as all pubs and restaurants will be closed next week following suit with Eire. Haven't seen anything in the press on this yet though but wouldn't be surprised. Self isolation I think was always going to be the natural reaction so the miscalculation here is that we won't spread the infection rate to flatten the peak....we'll just push it on a few months into the winter where more people will die. That's the insanity of an over-reaction. Too much early isolation won't work as the all clear will be sounded, people will return to normality and one infected person will kick start the whole thing again. Controlled exposure is almost impossible to enact, but total lockdown could well prove inneffective in anything other than affecting our financial health, cost hundreds of thousands of jobs as businesses go bust and cause a massive rise in mental health issues. As electronumpty says, it's shaping to be classic British F#ck up! On a serious note, I honestly do think it gives us pause for thought, and a slowing to the pace of life and opening our eyes as to what really matters, consigning fake news crusades to room 101 where they belong, is no bad thing. Literally everything that might have been important in some peoples lives will change overnight highlighting just how unimportant that really those things might really be. For the religious amongst us, it's akin to God raising a glass and tapping it with a spoon to get our attention, then saying, "ahem, so now that I have your attention....stop and listen for a change, at least for a while....."
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Post by macca on Mar 15, 2020 21:03:26 GMT
I've not witnessed shelves being cleared by anyone, was in the supermarket this morning, all completely normal and fully stocked. Wouldn't surprise me if the tv news sent stooges in to clear the shelves just to give them a story with some good 'end of the world' images. Went to Sainsburys earlier, for a bottle o milk. Looked like it had been ransacked. Trolleys piled higher than H&S would allow and literally anything with soap in was gone. No shampoo, no washing up liquid, nothing. Absolutely ridiculous. Popped to the corner shop and he had everything Sainsburys didn't Maybe it is just round here that everyone is carrying on as normal then? The only thing I'm out of is beer but just about to go and remedy that oversight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 9:41:19 GMT
My shortest commute ever today. I am working in my man cave. My wife is “home schooling” the littl’un while trying to work at the same time. We swap this afternoon.
I am drinking hot drinks on a regular basis, as this helps kill the virus (if présent) apparently.
The amusing thing is that the VPN connection to work is over loaded, so I can only get e-mails etc. and do online meetings. Fortunately, I don’t need any of the other systems.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 16, 2020 9:55:35 GMT
My shortest commute ever today. I am working in my man cave. My wife is “home schooling” the littl’un while trying to work at the same time. We swap this afternoon. I am drinking hot drinks on a regular basis, as this helps kill the virus (if présent) apparently. The amusing thing is that the VPN connection to work is over loaded, so I can only get e-mails etc. and do online meetings. Fortunately, I don’t need any of the other systems. Good luck with that.... Sounds tough to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 10:16:29 GMT
It is easy at the moment. My daughter is young. It is all a new experience, and just the beginning.
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