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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 20:03:09 GMT
Well, it seems that this is getting pretty serious, as the President of France has just announced that all schools will be closed until further notice from Monday.
Tomorrow is ok, but Monday is bad....
I hope everybody stays safe.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 12, 2020 20:05:09 GMT
Well, it seems that this is getting pretty serious, as the President of France has just announced that all schools will be closed until further notice from Monday. Tomorrow is ok, but Monday is bad.... I hope everybody stays safe. Yes, its certain to get worse. Seems to be a deliberate ploy to expose people to Coronavirus over here, reading between the lines of what the PM said. No immunity etc Stay safe indeed.
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Post by nonuffin on Mar 12, 2020 20:33:33 GMT
I can see a worldwide recession following in the shadow of this event. I can see many airlines going to the wall just for a start.
It's all very well saying if you show symptoms you are to self isolate for 7 days and for people to work from home, but the majority of employed (and self employed) people don't have the luxury of being able to work from home due to the nature of their work. The government says it will help businesses with additional sick pay, but the self employed will get sweet FA I reckon.
Still, we in the UK are very lucky to have the NHS which is a joined up organisation free at the point of delivery, but countries like the USA has neither of those traits so heaven help the poor souls who contract the virus.
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 12, 2020 20:38:00 GMT
The national health service employs very powerful computer modeling for these sort of outbreaks, the trick is to close events, workplaces and schools at the optimum time, not before or after. All of this was done for h1n1 and plugged in with the new numbers.
The trouble with closing schools before you need to is that the majority of nurses in the uk are also mums. Send those kids home and you lose your nursing staff.
Personally id isolate the weak, elderly, infirm and very young and let the rest get ill, then it's all over and done with in a couple of weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 20:41:38 GMT
I am lucky in that I can now work from home. The problem is that the VPN system is not sized to cope with the potential demand.
An thought provoking headline in the Telegraph suggested that it would bankrupt more people than it would kill. It may be a quiet year for me, as if people are not flying, companies are not going to want to take delivery of new aircraft.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 11:20:10 GMT
Whilst the end result for all of us (health wise) should, with luck and a following wind, be no more irritating than a common cold, what the controls are for is to prevent the NHS being swamped when they only have a total of 50,000 CDU beds available nationwide. Do the maths: 80% infection rate of which 5 to 10% may require ventilators and which 1% will become critically ill. There are not near enough beds hence the staged controls to prevent a peak and to prevent needless loss of lives.
Like others, my own investments (pension provision in my case) has been really hard hit in the past few weeks, losing many tens of Β£1000's. It may or may not recover, but health is more important, so being responsible now for the sake of the elderly and those most at risk means taking unilateral steps which may well be more than the govt suggests.
Personally, I think that the UK govt have acted too late to prevent peaking of the illness early. I can't get my head round why they've left it 5 weeks after they knew it was already in the country to start applying any meaningful controls. Look after your parents folks and your family members or mates you know to be at risk (those with diabetes for example). Cageyh is right. It will likely bankrupt way more than it kills.
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Post by hudz on Mar 13, 2020 11:49:19 GMT
Went to my local supermarket last night to do the weekly shop and was absolutely gobsmacked at the amount of empty shelves and this is still very early days for the virus in the uk.
As my missus has some serious underlying health issues I find myself in the predicament whereas I feel compelled to join the stampede to hoard basic necessities to hopefully see us through. I absolutely abhor this "me first" attitude but for once, I find myself having to prioritise for our own needs.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 13, 2020 11:53:30 GMT
Went to my local supermarket last night to do the weekly shop and was absolutely gobsmacked at the amount of empty shelves and this is still very early days for the virus in the uk. As my missus has some serious underlying health issues I find myself in the predicament whereas I feel compelled to join the stampede to hoard basic necessities to hopefully see us through. I absolutely abhor this "me first" attitude but for once, I find myself having to prioritise for our own needs. It's very primal behaviour by the masses to be honest, but we did a double shop, just to give the companies a chance to get their Sh#t together. I may buy a few bags of rice, pasta etc, just to have a few rations if things get outta hand but i cant foresee that being even remotely likely.
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2020 12:30:22 GMT
I bought loads of bog roll as that seems to be important for some reason?
I've still got a bottle of that hand gel stuff they were handing out the last time there was some disease that was going to kill us all. That was so bad I've completely forgotten what it was. Do you think I could make a fortune auctioning it on eBay?
Once it's all over there will be a load of pent up demand. Probably a good time to buy stocks if you know what you're doing. I don't unfortunately.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 13, 2020 13:02:35 GMT
I bought loads of bog roll as that seems to be important for some reason? I've still got a bottle of that hand gel stuff they were handing out the last time there was some disease that was going to kill us all. That was so bad I've completely forgotten what it was. Do you think I could make a fortune auctioning it on eBay? Once it's all over there will be a load of pent up demand. Probably a good time to buy stocks if you know what you're doing. I don't unfortunately. It's a great time to buy shares but I'm skint and wouldnt know where to start
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Post by stevew on Mar 13, 2020 13:09:40 GMT
Whilst the end result for all of us (health wise) should, with luck and a following wind, be no more irritating than a common cold, what the controls are for is to prevent the NHS being swamped when they only have a total of 50,000 CDU beds available nationwide. Do the maths: 80% infection rate of which 5 to 10% may require ventilators and which 1% will become critically ill. There are not near enough beds hence the staged controls to prevent a peak and to prevent needless loss of lives. Like others, my own investments (pension provision in my case) has been really hard hit in the past few weeks, losing many tens of Β£1000's. It may or may not recover, but health is more important, so being responsible now for the sake of the elderly and those most at risk means taking unilateral steps which may well be more than the govt suggests. Personally, I think that the UK govt have acted too late to prevent peaking of the illness early. I can't get my head round why they've left it 5 weeks after they knew it was already in the country to start applying any meaningful controls. Look after your parents folks and your family members or mates you know to be at risk (those with diabetes for example). Cageyh is right. It will likely bankrupt way more than it kills. Well said. In the same boat. One of my pension funds has an iPhone app. Made the mistake of looking at it yesterday. Hey ho...not really too bothered, just need for everyone to be ok. Stay safe people.. itβs going to be a bumpy ride.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 13:17:13 GMT
My pension fund transfers today, so if they invest now, I will be quids in, if I live to see the end of this virus malarkey. You never know....
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Post by hudz on Mar 13, 2020 13:50:17 GMT
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Post by hudz on Mar 13, 2020 14:10:59 GMT
To the government less oldies means less drain on resources(NHS especially) and a lovely lump of unpaid state pension fund to bail us out afterwards, win win as far as they are concerned.
Little wonder they were draggng their feet to begin with.
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Post by nonuffin on Mar 13, 2020 14:33:34 GMT
To the government less oldies means less drain on resources(NHS especially) and a lovely lump of unpaid state pension fund to bail us out afterwards, win win as far as they are concerned. Every dark cloud has a silver lining I suppose.
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2020 14:42:02 GMT
'Swine Flu' - that was the last thing that was going to kill us all. Just remembered.
Gone and forgotten like last year's X factor winner.
Now if we get a virus of the stature of an Ollie Muirs or a Susan Boyle then we're really in trouble. Never get shut of the bastard, it'll keep on turning up every year like a bad penny.
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Post by hammer on Mar 13, 2020 14:43:35 GMT
I am a fairly old bugger with type 2 diabetes,so keep your eyes open for some fairly decent hifi bits for sale cheap. My wife won't keep it when I'm gone.βΊ
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 13, 2020 15:07:26 GMT
I bought loads of bog roll as that seems to be important for some reason? I've still got a bottle of that hand gel stuff they were handing out the last time there was some disease that was going to kill us all. That was so bad I've completely forgotten what it was. Do you think I could make a fortune auctioning it on eBay? Once it's all over there will be a load of pent up demand. Probably a good time to buy stocks if you know what you're doing. I don't unfortunately. It's a great time to buy shares but I'm skint and wouldnt know where to start I'll give you 50 quid for that wooden effort on the end of your tonearm......π
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Post by firebottle on Mar 13, 2020 15:20:46 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 13, 2020 15:45:26 GMT
It's a great time to buy shares but I'm skint and wouldnt know where to start I'll give you 50 quid for that wooden effort on the end of your tonearm......π Hahaha, nope
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 13, 2020 15:51:05 GMT
Okay what about that black box Neurowotsitthingy instead then? I'll chuck in me lucky gobstopper on top (free fluff and all) as a sweetener ? Can't say fairer than that now.π€
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 13, 2020 16:18:15 GMT
We've had 400+ cases and 8 deaths, Germany 1200 cases, no deaths.
The mortality rate in wuhan china from 46k cases is 3%, among those with no underlying health conditions in the ROW it is 0.9%.
More people doe of Aids each day that have does from cov19 in total...
Perspective...
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 13, 2020 16:24:44 GMT
Okay what about that black box Neurowotsitthingy instead then? I'll chuck in me lucky gobstopper on top (free fluff and all) as a sweetener ? Can't say fairer than that now.π€ Now thats an offer worth considering!
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Post by stevew on Mar 13, 2020 18:16:53 GMT
My pension fund transfers today, so if they invest now, I will be quids in, if I live to see the end of this virus malarkey. You never know.... Wow.. talk about good timing! Well done. There may be further hits yet, but in the long term (and what pensions are really all about) you will do very well. Just imagine if it had gone through a week ago... ouch!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 18:18:43 GMT
I'll give you 50 quid for that wooden effort on the end of your tonearm......π Hahaha, nope Ok, Β£51 then?
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2020 18:27:18 GMT
Can't find that bottle of hand gel. Must've given it away when it was worthless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 18:38:37 GMT
I am using alcohol on a regular basis. Cleaning from the inside out....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 18:41:22 GMT
My pension fund transfers today, so if they invest now, I will be quids in, if I live to see the end of this virus malarkey. You never know.... Wow.. talk about good timing! Well done. There may be further hits yet, but in the long term (and what pensions are really all about) you will do very well. Just imagine if it had gone through a week ago... ouch! It is down to sheer luck. I have trying to get a QROPS sorted for the last two years, and payment was made recently. If all goes well, I will be enjoying retirement with a very nice system, even though my hearing may not be as good as it is now. For that, HiFi is a lousy hobby. When you are young, you donβt have the money for a decent system. When you are old, you have the money, but not the ears! How cruel is that...
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Post by stevew on Mar 13, 2020 19:02:11 GMT
Wow.. talk about good timing! Well done. There may be further hits yet, but in the long term (and what pensions are really all about) you will do very well. Just imagine if it had gone through a week ago... ouch! It is down to sheer luck. I have trying to get a QROPS sorted for the last two years, and payment was made recently. If all goes well, I will be enjoying retirement with a very nice system, even though my hearing may not be as good as it is now. For that, HiFi is a lousy hobby. When you are young, you donβt have the money for a decent system. When you are old, you have the money, but not the ears! How cruel is that... Oh god.. I am that soldier. On both counts. Lucky to get my pension out when it jumped in value (and the company scheme loaded with penalties) Can now get the system I dreamt about with hearing that used to have gone Turn it up to 11
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Post by nonuffin on Mar 13, 2020 20:04:18 GMT
Okay what about that black box Neurowotsitthingy instead then? I'll chuck in me lucky gobstopper on top (free fluff and all) as a sweetener ? Can't say fairer than that now.π€ I'll raise the stakes with a 50'er conker as well as a quarter of aniseed balls
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