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Post by pauld on Apr 6, 2020 13:33:15 GMT
I'm actually quite comforted by boris getting a taste of his own medicine, its uniquely fitting. Perhaps now he'll realise how wrong the approach that he chose was and how it has already contributed needlessly to the suffering of tens of thousands and the deaths of close to 10,000. Maybe when we hit 20k dead next weekend you all might feel different about him suffering a bit. Not in the slightest because I never wish anyone harm and find it quite adhorrent that anyone could wish pain and suffering on anyone else. The government are doing their best in what is a really difficult situation that they couldn't have predicted being as serious as it has become.
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Post by antonio on Apr 6, 2020 13:45:36 GMT
They just need to do more testing. The interesting question is once you have had C-19 and have the anti-bodies, are you immune from passing it onto others? i.e. can you effectively go on with your life without fear of infecting someone else? If not where does that leave us? Good question
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Post by antonio on Apr 6, 2020 13:58:30 GMT
I'm actually quite comforted by boris getting a taste of his own medicine, its uniquely fitting. Perhaps now he'll realise how wrong the approach that he chose was and how it has already contributed needlessly to the suffering of tens of thousands and the deaths of close to 10,000. Maybe when we hit 20k dead next weekend you all might feel different about him suffering a bit. Boris did not start this Coronavirus, just unlucky to get it. He's been under great stress with Brexit and then Covid 19, putting him in a high risk category. Like Macca said in an earlier post, he would have taken advice from the experts, the same as any PM would have done. Perhaps you would tell us how you would have approached this outbreak of Covid19. Please don't tell us about the NHS being underfunded since this has been a problem for both parties. In my opinion the NHS needs a complete overhaul, but that is a subject for another day.
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Post by electronumpty on Apr 6, 2020 14:09:33 GMT
Don't think I would have gone around hospitals shaking Covid patient's hands though. Then boasting about it.
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Post by sq225917 on Apr 6, 2020 14:18:28 GMT
I would have immediately implemented the same approach of lock down and testing, as soon as the first transmitted case in the uk occurred, as South Korea used. The numbers dont lie, what do the countries under the line have in common? Lockdown, testing, tracing. Hes a fucking idiot who ignored the data and pinned his hopes on the advice of those who thought it would pass over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 14:24:10 GMT
Boris is only doing what he gets told to do. Or shall I say 'strongly advised to do' ? I'd rather have Boz in charge than the lunatic over the pond. He can't act unilaterally . It's not a dictatorship. I personally think it's been done wrong and I agree with you about the testing etc. But I know better than to blame the mouthpiece. And that's all he is. I can't honestly say I never wish harm on anyone unlike the honourable gentleman above. I do wish harm on certain horrible people . Especially where animal cruelty is concerned. Im not perfect that way. But not in this case. It's the so called experts and advisers that need looking at.
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Post by antonio on Apr 6, 2020 14:55:57 GMT
I would have immediately implemented the same approach of lock down and testing, as soon as the first transmitted case in the uk occurred, as South Korea used. The numbers dont lie, what do the countries under the line have in common? Lockdown, testing, tracing. Hes a fucking idiot who ignored the data and pinned his hopes on the advice of those who thought it would pass over. How would anyone know were the first case was, countries cannot shut down after one case. The first thing that came to my mind when seeing Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan, who have the lowest figures according to your graph, their citizens do what they are told and are more 'disciplined' in their day to day life than many western countries. You've only to read a few posts on here and see the news to realise many uk citizens have not adhered to the govt. guidelines. Again I do not blame the so called experts, no one is infallible, and I'm sure this outbreak has been a steep learning curve for many of them in case of future outbreaks.
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Post by nonuffin on Apr 6, 2020 15:43:39 GMT
When these dozy twats congregate in parks, beaches and beauty spots, it is plain to see that these morons have no idea at all about the good advice being given to them.
Perhaps we should employ the army to pull up where the buffoons congregate and let fly with a machine gun to disperse them back to their homes where they belong.
Maybe it is the only "advice" they will actually take notice of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 16:33:16 GMT
It's the disrespect that gets me. That prick on telly with the kid saying "it's all rubbish innit" . That fucker is making a mockery of and insulting all the poor sods risking everything that might have to keep him alive one day. Scumbag needs shooting , pure and simple !
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Post by firebottle on Apr 6, 2020 17:08:28 GMT
As has been said before, there are two battles with this crisis.
Covid-19 and stupidity.
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Post by electronumpty on Apr 6, 2020 17:37:23 GMT
As has been said before, there are two battles with this crisis. Covid-19 and stupidity. Yeah, staying indoors me, not a Covidnumpty.
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Post by sq225917 on Apr 6, 2020 18:17:03 GMT
Antonio, look at the graphs, the zero point for them is 100 cases, we did F#ck all for weeks.
The first uk cases were noted on the 31st of jan. The first transmitted cases of unknown origin were the 28th Feb. That's when you lock down, the day you realise you have no idea where the disease is, not 25 days later on the 24th of march like we did.
From the 28th of Feb they should have been testing and tracing.
This is fuckery of the highest order.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 19:09:25 GMT
I agree. Our testing here and laksadaisy response has been dire and has caused many deaths. I just don't think Boris had much of a say in the process. He's purely the mouthpiece for others bollock ups. Anyway he's in intensive care now . That should give you a nice hard on. 😐
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Post by sq225917 on Apr 6, 2020 21:00:22 GMT
I take no pleasure from it, I'd trade his misfortune for a month of test data in a heartbeat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 21:15:52 GMT
Good answer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 22:39:06 GMT
So Boris is now in intensive care.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 6, 2020 22:53:28 GMT
So Boris is now in intensive care. I am quite concerned for him actually.
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Post by electronumpty on Apr 6, 2020 22:56:47 GMT
So Boris is now in intensive care. I am quite concerned for him actually. 50% chance to live in an ICU, 40% if on a ventilator. Not good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 23:49:42 GMT
I hope he pulls through and not just for his sake. The only silver lining is that it might make a few dickheads think twice before they go to a bloody park and meet their stupid mates. 8 cyclist went past my house tonight. All lycra gayers , all two abreast and all within 2 metres of each other. Why don't they get stopped and executed ? I'd just shoot them in the road and let them rot as a warning to others. Like when they used to hang pirates and treasoners and leave them on display. They're not exercising close to home . They're not exercising with other members of the same household . They're not keeping their social distance. They are simply being arrogant C#nts totally unconcerned about anyone else and being totally bare faced about it. It just beggars belief. And these are all middle aged men....not daft kids. Hopefully Boris's situation might make some of these retards think twice. But I fear not.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 7, 2020 0:07:36 GMT
I hope he pulls through and not just for his sake. The only silver lining is that it might make a few dickheads think twice before they go to a bloody park and meet their stupid mates. 8 cyclist went past my house tonight. All lycra gayers , all two abreast and all within 2 metres of each other. Why don't they get stopped and executed ? I'd just shoot them in the road and let them rot as a warning to others. Like when they used to hang pirates and treasoners and leave them on display. They're not exercising close to home . They're not exercising with other members of the same household . They're not keeping their social distance. They are simply being arrogant C#nts totally unconcerned about anyone else and being totally bare faced about it. It just beggars belief. And these are all middle aged men....not daft kids. Hopefully Boris's situation might make some of these retards think twice. But I fear not. Seems to be a general ignorance towards this virus. Despite the fact of its effectiveness for amassing large numbers of fatalities, its ability to shut down entire countries and its non discriminatory choosing of its next victim, there is a real and obvious lack of concern of the twats I've seen. I am really convinced that this virus will claim many more lives and it will be largely the government's fault for not acting swiftly enough, and the twats out sunbathing in the park, meeting up outside shops etc Madness
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 4:10:22 GMT
AMEN
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Post by antonio on Apr 7, 2020 4:37:01 GMT
Antonio, look at the graphs, the zero point for them is 100 cases, we did F#ck all for weeks. The first uk cases were noted on the 31st of jan. The first transmitted cases of unknown origin were the 28th Feb. That's when you lock down, the day you realise you have no idea where the disease is, not 25 days later on the 24th of march like we did. From the 28th of Feb they should have been testing and tracing. This is fuckery of the highest order. I've re-looked at the graph, where does it show any dates of first cases? As you say, starts from first 100 cases, but what has that got to do with how quickly countries went into lockdown. You seem to forget, Boris is not a medical expert, he's the Prime Minister. Calling Boris a c#nt, when in fact you are really having a go at the 'experts' who have given him advice is wrong. I for one am hoping he fully recovers soon, and hope his admittance to intensive care makes some of these idiots realise they must stay in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 9:31:29 GMT
I really don't wish anyone ill in the present circumstances and don't understand why anyone would, and having read some comments about people wishing others badly because of politics or personality differences is not something I think a society with any dignity does. This is beyond politics and no health system in the world is designed to cope, let alone funded for such a pandemic. It's the response that matters. What is tragic is the moral dilemma that many health professionals are faced with, and treating people over 70 as not worth saving I do consider sad reflection on any society. Sadly, many care homes are seen as a one way lounge and few, if any, will see hospital should they become infected. my thoughts and prayers go out to them and their families, as well as the care staff who do such a difficult job in the best of times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 9:37:53 GMT
Antonio, look at the graphs, the zero point for them is 100 cases, we did F#ck all for weeks. The first uk cases were noted on the 31st of jan. The first transmitted cases of unknown origin were the 28th Feb. That's when you lock down, the day you realise you have no idea where the disease is, not 25 days later on the 24th of march like we did. From the 28th of Feb they should have been testing and tracing. This is fuckery of the highest order. I've re-looked at the graph, where does it show any dates of first cases? As you say, starts from first 100 cases, but what has that got to do with how quickly countries went into lockdown. You seem to forget, Boris is not a medical expert, he's the Prime Minister. Calling Boris a c#nt, when in fact you are really having a go at the 'experts' who have given him advice is wrong. I for one am hoping he fully recovers soon, and hope his admittance to intensive care makes some of these idiots realise they must stay in. Quite. It was in fact the advice of our medical experts which guided our response, not the whim of any politician. The fact is that the advice shifted from herd immunology mentality to lock down over a period of several weeks as the numbers and information started racking up. Personally, I don't see this would have made a massive difference long term and the government was rightly concerned with the balance of delaying economic meltdown until the medical advice confirmed the time for a lockdown. To be fair to Boris, apparently he did react quickly after receiving that advice. Irrespective of any personal views on this and the politics of the situation, we are where we are and the response of the country now is what matters. With idiots still flouting the lockdown rules I can see the police response getting tougher and further restrictions applying to us all because of the actions of the few.
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Post by electronumpty on Apr 7, 2020 9:52:54 GMT
Well hopefully one outcome of Boris getting ill will that people will realise it can happen to anybody and they will take lockdownmore seriously. There will always be a proportion of idiots though.
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Post by nonuffin on Apr 7, 2020 12:39:20 GMT
The spread of Corona virus is based upon two vital factors:
1. How dense the POPULATION is.
2. How DENSE the population is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 10:08:05 GMT
Another problem is nutjob conspiracy sites which are treated as reliable sources of information by the hard of thinking. Usually such sites are just there to be laughed at, and do no real harm, but when it comes to inciting people to burn down phone masts, they're suddenly a lot less funny.
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Post by macca on Apr 8, 2020 10:43:13 GMT
How are you Joe?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 10:59:13 GMT
I'm fine, thanks. Finally, my basic skillset of sitting on my arse doing sod all has come into its own. I'm lucky to have a large house with shedloads of books to read and music to listen to, and a small garden to sit out in. Our elder daughter drops off shopping at the end of the front garden path now and again and we have a shouted conversation, but for the most part we're living on pasta and tomato sauce. Younger daughter is living with us, but is (understandably) paranoid about venturing into the supermarket. It's my birthday tomorrow, but it'll be even less of an event than usual, which doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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Post by macca on Apr 8, 2020 11:15:42 GMT
I'm fine, thanks. Finally, my basic skillset of sitting on my arse doing sod all has come into its own. Same here, I never went out unless it was essential anyway, now I don't even have to go out to go to work.
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