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Post by jimbo on Oct 18, 2020 10:20:12 GMT
Just google translate doing it's stuff. Whatever it means I think it's meant to be a good thing. I can't find any measured performance for the speakers though. Sensitivity is claimed to be 92dB so can't imagine a Croft Series 7 will struggle too much to get decent levels without clipping. But it might be worth borrowing a beefier amp just to see if any gains can be had there. I'd guess the impedance dips quite low as it usually does with this sort of modern speaker design. But there are exceptions to that. And it may not matter in any case. The Croft does drive them fine but i feel they need a bit more juice to bring them on song. A Croft 7R would do the trick as it was actually developed to drive speakers with low impedance.
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Post by rexton on Oct 18, 2020 10:25:49 GMT
OOOOoooo, 7R monoblocks, DO IT!
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Post by jimbo on Oct 18, 2020 10:28:15 GMT
OOOOoooo, 7R monoblocks, DO IT! Need to wait for a pair to come up second hand.  |
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Post by jimbo on Oct 18, 2020 10:30:34 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 18, 2020 10:46:50 GMT
Just google translate doing it's stuff. Whatever it means I think it's meant to be a good thing. I can't find any measured performance for the speakers though. Sensitivity is claimed to be 92dB so can't imagine a Croft Series 7 will struggle too much to get decent levels without clipping. But it might be worth borrowing a beefier amp just to see if any gains can be had there. I'd guess the impedance dips quite low as it usually does with this sort of modern speaker design. But there are exceptions to that. And it may not matter in any case. The information is out there as Angus has pages of technical bits on them. It's just finding them |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 18, 2020 10:48:52 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Oct 18, 2020 11:10:41 GMT
Thanks for that Oli.
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Post by macca on Oct 18, 2020 11:11:17 GMT
Outstanding set of measurements. Just 1% distortion in the bass! Very similar to my JM Labs on all counts.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 18, 2020 11:23:29 GMT
Outstanding set of measurements. Just 1% distortion in the bass! Very similar to my JM Labs on all counts. I think thats why Angus bought them and why Oli thought they sounded so good when he heard them. I bought them as they ticked a lot of boxes besides the measurements. To be honest I was looking at lots of speakers many times more expensive than these and they did not have such good measurements but they had a UK houshold name unlike the Hecos which are very popular in the German and continental market?  Well done to Oli and Angus for going leftfield and unearthing these.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 18, 2020 11:23:46 GMT
Outstanding set of measurements. Just 1% distortion in the bass! Very similar to my JM Labs on all counts. They are serious Speakers macca I was absolutely Impressed with them at Angus's house, and then literally harassed jimbo to get a pair for nearly two weeks lol Risking the wrath of his other half BTW lol Took my life in my hands I did. Haha, no seriously, they sounded absolutely epic when we threw the 686 and BT2 (Biscuit Tin 2) into Angus's system. I was gonna buy a pair myself... |
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 18, 2020 11:37:21 GMT
Looks like you can pick these up for a bit over a grand. Sounds like a lot of speaker for your money from your comments. Glad you are liking them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 11:40:13 GMT
I would love to hear these, and compare them to my Triangle Antal EZ. It would be quite interesting seeing if I bought the right ones.
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Post by macca on Oct 18, 2020 11:55:39 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 18, 2020 12:03:53 GMT
Looks like you can pick these up for a bit over a grand. Sounds like a lot of speaker for your money from your comments. Glad you are liking them. Yes you can, and they are probably worth twice that in SQ IMHO. I was extremely close to buying a pair just in case my 880s expire at any point. |
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 18, 2020 12:10:53 GMT
Shame I'm so invested in my Tannoy project. Mind you they are probably a bit big for my room.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 18, 2020 12:12:34 GMT
Yup.....they are a real bargain |
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Post by jimbo on Oct 18, 2020 14:58:54 GMT
If you see these and hear them in the flesh you would price them between £2500-£4000. Much of the competition is at least around this price. So for £1000 yes they are an absolute bargain. Think BMW / Audi build quality. These weigh in at 32Kg each so are quite substantial as I have found moving them around however they certainly do not sound like a HIFI speaker by which I mean all bright treble and boomy bass.
These speakers are very refined in their delivery. Think quality top end sound quality usually reserved for much more expensive speakers. As they are no where near run in yet I will not really comment on their capabilities but I will write a very in depth review once they have settled down. As Oliver has suggested to me from his experience they are quite a Chameleon as they respond very much to how they are powered and what is fed into them but they have the capacity for great transparency and scale. Like the very best audio equipment they give you all the detail you want but not in your face rather in a subtle natural manner.
I am looking forward to finding out what they are ultimately capable of over the next few weeks but so far i am already impressed with their abilty.
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Post by brian2957 on Oct 31, 2020 8:55:26 GMT
Fantastic write up James . Great news that the Hecos are beginning to give their best in your room . More to come I'm sure |
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Post by jimbo on Oct 31, 2020 9:11:07 GMT
Fantastic write up James . Great news that the Hecos are beginning to give their best in your room . More to come I'm sure Yes I think so. Maybe a bit of work on the power amp? |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2020 12:59:43 GMT
I have had the Heco Celan Gt 702 speakers a couple of weeks now standing like tombstones at the end of the lounge. Their piano black finish and overall appearance suits the room very much and they somehow disappear and are less noticeable than my previous stand mount speakers. I have played them almost daily and they are now sounding a lot more articulate than the stiff slightly reserved impression i first had of them. I have to make a confession that in the first week I found that one of the spade connectors had eased its way out of the binding posts on the back of the speaker and was only hanging on by one prong and that was loose. When I secured them properly the sound difference was immense and I can now see why Oliver was hugely impressed with them when he heard them at Angus's! The Heco speakers totally changed in character from a shallow limited soundstage and slightly undewhelming performance into a speaker that had all the qualities of a top class , high end product which was frankly what I was expecting but did not happen on their first outing. Yes they showed promise but they did not convincingly deliver an Audiophile result that grabbed you and made you feel these were speakers worth keeping. They nearly went back up for sale as my trusty old Spendor SP2s had way more about them in the first week! However in week two they transformed into something very very different. So how would I describe their sound? I think for me to explain this and articulate it I will do it with a few pieces of music in mind. Once the spade connectors were sorted I put on the relatively new Agnes Obel album Myopia and listened to a couple of tracks on side B. Agnes has upped her production now that she is on the Blue note label and their is an even greater clarity and precision in her recent recordings so they are great material to use for listening. What I heard was incredible. The speakers reproduced the recording in such a way I sounded like I was 'in' the recording or studio. They are highly transparent so they disappear as it were leaving you with just the music/performance. The front to back soundstage had now shifted behind the speakers to give great depth but the 3D soundstage was even more amazing. Every note and nuance of her voice was crystal clear and as I say totally transparent. It was like someone had put you in the room where she was recording. It was quite an experience to hear this level of detail and performance from a pair of speakers. Both Helen and myself were drop jawed! Next up some live Michael Hedges. On his album 'Live from the double planet' he has captured a live performance that not only gives you all the sonic clues of the venue itself it also captures his guitar in all its extreme dynamics and it was these that I was most interested in from leading edge string notes to full on deep harmonic bloom of the whole guitar playing at full tilt in a live amplified venue. The Heco speakers delivered everything., all the macro and micro detail. The dynamics, detail, weight, speed, resolution,depth, reflections and most importantly a totally convincing natural live sound that made you feel you were there! Amazing and thrilling to listen too. One caveat. My amps needed to well warmed up and the throttle opened up a little. These couple of tracks told me everything these speakers could do and the performance was so good you wanted to go back and play them over and over again. The Hecos have certainly energised the room and filled the space with a scale and gravity I was looking for. They have all the finesse and dynamic ability I could wish for and are very impressive performers. They do need to be opened up a little to come a live but when they do they are capable of a gobsmacking performance. I feel they do need a little fine tuning probably in the bass where there could benefit from a bigger beefier amplifier with more muscle and weight but this would be my only critism. On every other level they excel and indeed exceed expectations.
Hi Jim, Such a HUGE relief that they have started to hit the mark. Nothing worse than recommending something and it missing the target with the new owner! The "criticisms" seem to be more to do with the Amplifies ability to drive them? Either way, in my humble opinion these speakers are very fine units and you would have to have some serious speakers to not find these a significant upgrade for most of us at the "Working Class Audiophile" level. My advice now, remains as it did before the 686 fiasco....stay how you are for now and when we get a chance, we can see what a beefier amp does. Then you can mull over the next level Crofts etc. Which will tick your boxes on power, Sound signature and brand. Super speakers Jim, i can't wait to hear them in your system! |
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Post by jimbo on Oct 31, 2020 14:54:37 GMT
Maybe Gaia feet might be a better option than a bigger amp?
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2020 15:13:29 GMT
Maybe Gaia feet might be a better option than a bigger amp? I'd suggest that you give them some serious thought, Jim. Having not heard mine yet, the general consensus from those accepting of the idea of putting your speakers on wobbly feet, is that they are hugely successful in removing the floorboard interaction. I know from experience that the Townshend podiums are really instrumental in the transparency of the sound of a certain system I hear quite regularly. That system has the same speakers as you have. Regardless of how I get on with mine, I am still of the belief that they are more beneficial than not and a pair of outriggers and Gaia feet are still cheaper than the Townshend podiums, so that's got to be a good place to start The trouble with this isolation lark is that you don't know what you've got going on until you get rid of it. I think this is one of those things you have to push too far, and then dial back to the sweet spot. The Gaia feet are not too much money to take a punt on IMO. |
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Post by jimbo on Oct 31, 2020 16:13:41 GMT
As Mr Fremer experienced the effect of the Gaia feet on loudspeakers he heard was not insignificant. In fact he reved about the huge improvement so it will be a definite consideration for me to try?
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2020 17:12:14 GMT
As Mr Fremer experienced the effect of the Gaia feet on loudspeakers he heard was not insignificant. In fact he reved about the huge improvement so it will be a definite consideration for me to try? I'd just go for it Jim. You know me! |
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Post by stevew on Oct 31, 2020 17:22:58 GMT
As Mr Fremer experienced the effect of the Gaia feet on loudspeakers he heard was not insignificant. In fact he reved about the huge improvement so it will be a definite consideration for me to try? I'd just go for it Jim. You know me! I agree Oli. My faffing about with sorbothane feet and isolation feet is really just stalling until I persuade myself that £500 is money well spent. And to be fair, it probably will be. |
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Post by firebottle on Oct 31, 2020 17:27:02 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Oct 31, 2020 21:08:06 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2020 21:23:04 GMT
ooooh sexy!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 9:49:25 GMT
You didn't like the 686?
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 7, 2020 9:52:19 GMT
The 686 was out of phase when Jim loaned it. Another loan has been offered and accepted so we'll do this at some point soon so Jim can get a clearer line on which direction to head in. |
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