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Post by firebottle on Feb 15, 2020 8:27:13 GMT
Excellent start there James, what a lucky lad to have Warstones and Glenn Croft as mentors at that time.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 15, 2020 8:39:14 GMT
I think my first HiFi experience started in 1977 when I purchased a Prinzsound SA 1001 amplifier off a friends dad who was upgrading. This amplifier was a Dixons own brand I believe and came in a wood sleeve and black front plate. Very cool I thought at the time. However I had no speakers or turntable to go with it so I bought some Scandyna A25 bookshelf speakers and a Thorens TD160 turntable and an Ortofon cartridge. Sorry no photos from this era as Instagram, forums, the Internet or computers had not made this necessary at the time I soon added a JVC KD-10 cassette deck and I was in action. The speakers were crap so they were sold and I had a pair of B&W DM10s. These sounded superb and could be driven hard as I was into Rock music at the time when all the great stuff was being written. My LP collection increased every week usually bought from Our Price, HMV or occasionally Woolworths bargain bin if i was feeling a bit poor and needed a vinyl fix! This system lasted until about 1982 with little change. The turnable was never set up properly as we all do today. I had never heard of VTA,VTF, Azimuth or bothered with stylus cleaning or record care. Just blew the dust off or if I spilt beer on anything it was wiped off with a wet cloth. Records were scratched regularly (Pissed again) and y stylus never lasted too long either and dug deep into those grooves but probably not intentionally! By 1982 I had a pile of HFN and Record reviews magazines that almost touched the bedroom ceiling and I had worked in a local HIFI shop called Downing and Downing which sold hi end stuff, Quad, B&O and Technics. They had a workshop at the back and could fix almost anything as was the case then when PCBs and micro electronics had not taken over too much. I soon moved onto Quad gear myself and had the 405 Mk2 and Quad 33 preamp. Nice kit and a way better sound than by Prinzsound amp. I eventually moved onto the 606 for a bit more power and control. I did not last long selling HIFI as I preferred to listen to it rather than sell it so I got a computer job on the hardware side and started to earn lots of dosh. It was also coincidentally that I found a HIFI retailer called Warstones HIFI in a back street of Wolverhampton. This place ignited me as an audiophile and was the Nirvana of all things HIFI. It was run by an enthusiastic proprietor called Don Swain who was a great character who bought together a fantastic group of people who would drop in and swap their knowledge and experience. Those years from 1982 - 1990 were spent in and out of this establishment where I heard gear and systems that I feel have never been bettered today. He sold Spender, Harbeth,Linn and many more brands and encouraged start up entrepreneurs like Glenn Croft. The systems we strapped together there with massive OTL mono blocks etc and absolutely fettled Garrard 301 turntables were fantastic sounding. It was a blur of gear and I believe we actually got through listening to more stuff than Oliver! Glenn was an inspirational presence although very quietly spoken. He would suggest using this or that having spent a lot of time evaluating speakers and taking apart many amps himself. He was a self taught genius and it was not long before i bought his original Croft micro and a Croft modified Leak Stereo 20. The B&W DM 10 remained but I had my eye on some Harbeths HL5s. They sounded very nice indeed but eventually I bought the Spender SP2 as they could rock a little more even though they were quite polite. Speaker cables and ICs were just wire then but QED 79 strand did make it into the system. Many many Fridays and Saturdays were spent at Warstones Hifi listening to gear and music and much i learned about Audio happened here. It was the best school for audiophiles I could ever imagine and it relieved my wallet continuously of large amounts of cash. However by 1990 i had bought a house and the cash dried up. CD had made it into my life with the crap broken glass sounding Philips 101 CD player. I used this with a QED passive control unit into my Quad 606 and then SP2 speakers. I had gone through loads of fantastic gear including bigger and better Croft preamps (Super micro) and used a Garrard 301 with a Decca blue and a number of other cartridges but I was lured into the promise of perfect sound forever and CD destroyed my LP collection which was sold and given away. I still mourn its loss now! The CD players were swapped to try and and remove the broken glass sound but really I was kidding myself, it was just different types of glass! Eventually the CD ended with a Denon 965BX which was OK. However I lost interest in music as digital robbed the soul and life from music then and the CD player got kicked under the sofa. The speakers were hidden in the corners of the room and the amp hidden behind a chair. In 2005 The music stopped and so did my HIFi interest. TBC JIMBLOG!!! I love it....... Started all informative, developed the story of young Jim, full of enthusiasm and then slowly, it all started to unravel. You introduced the villain in the story....digital...... Only to end on a cliffhanger 😯. I'm hooked already!!! I'll make a cup of tea to have with the next installment.
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Post by macca on Feb 15, 2020 9:03:38 GMT
I had a Prinzsound! Rough as a badger's arse but quite powerful sound. The sleeve on mine had seen better days so I sanded it down and stained it mahogany. SQ didn't improve. I read somewhere that they were made by Sony but that could be bollox. I never knew they were a Dixon's own brand. This is the model I had:
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Post by jimbo on Feb 15, 2020 9:06:20 GMT
I will get the kettle on myself, I need to have a good think about the next chapter!
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Post by jimbo on Feb 15, 2020 9:08:23 GMT
I will get the kettle on myself, I need to have a good think about the next chapter! Very similar to mine Martin although i think mine was a lower model! It still lives and works at my brothers house but it is getting a bit crackley!
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Post by jimbo on Feb 15, 2020 9:18:32 GMT
Excellent start there James, what a lucky lad to have Warstones and Glenn Croft as mentors at that time. I was lucky but I did not realise it at the time. It was like growing up in the 70s and all that fabulous music being released and you just took it for granted!
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Post by jimbo on Feb 15, 2020 18:41:13 GMT
Over the last four months have been listening mainly to Helens vintage 1976 rig!
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Post by firebottle on Feb 15, 2020 18:55:23 GMT
I knew you had a Garrard SP25 but didn't realise it was part of a complete rig. It looks fantastic.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 15, 2020 19:17:54 GMT
I knew you had a Garrard SP25 but didn't realise it was part of a complete rig. It looks fantastic. Yes a Sony music centre from 1976. It looks very retro and it is. You would be very surprised just how good it sounds. It does not embarass itself at all.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 15, 2020 19:57:35 GMT
Love the pictures your camera takes.....top quality
As for the system, anything is better than nothing
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Post by jimbo on Feb 15, 2020 21:24:49 GMT
Matching pair of headphones lol. Sold these Meze Noir 99 recently although they were OK in some areas.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 16, 2020 10:08:02 GMT
In 2010 my partner Helen said "why don't we listen to music anymore". I pondered this and realised that since 2005 we had only occasionally set my system up to listen to music and that was usually because I was assessing another Croft amp. One in particular sounded wonderful this being the Dakshini OTL power amp. I unplugged my Quad 606 and popped in or should I say heaved in the slab of OTL and used my QED passive and Rotel CD player. There was a beautiful liquid rendition to the sound which captivated us for a while and got me thinking! The only pic I could find of this Croft Power amp are included on this article. www.6moons.com/audioreviews/croft/croft.htmlThere are many other Croft designs on there, many of which made it too my house and some stage or other but I never bought any of them. I appreciated their superb craftsmanship and sound and it got me thinking of way back when I was young and back at Warstones hifi in 1982 and the excitement of that time and the superb sounding systems that emanated from that small dealer above the pet shop. Right thats it, I had decided I would kick the hifi back into touch after lying fallow for 10 years and buy a Croft amplifier again and build my system around this. Croft designs had evolved over those 30 years and now included hybrid designs using MOSFETs in the power amps and a valve input but the preamps were all valve. I contacted my friend Adrian in London who sold Croft gear and made plans for a visit. He lived in North London and so it would mean a big day out listening to gear and a bit of lunch. On a cold February day in 2015 I made my way down and Adrian, who was an old school friend and charming host, welcomed me to his house. After a few pleasantries and good Italian coffee we wen upstairs to his Aladins cave of gear. He also sold Gold note and all sorts of exotic stuff and he certainly new how to put together a good system. i had only taken my SP2 speakers as reference point. He was a big fan of them and new they would work well with what he had in mind. We spent the day with a simple set up of a £10,000 Gold Note Cd player and a range of Croft amps including the 25 /25R / 25RS / Series 7 and Series 7R. We got some good sounds out of the set ups we put together and most of the day listened to CD and i made my decision to buy the 25R preamp and Series 7 Power amp but just before we wrapped up the session i asked Adrian if he could pop some vinyl on as I had not heard any for 25 Years and wondered what it still sounded like........... Hold on this was not meant to happen!!!! What the hell was going on. What had I been listening too for 25 years. Why did CD not sound like this??? I was not just stunned, I was poleaxed !!! VINYL sounded awesome, it sounded so right, the emotion came back and the quality of audio I had missed was there in front of me. I left Adrian house with my mind racing and I was perplexed! How could I have missed this and not remembered how good Vinyl was. I was planning to base my new system around CD or some digital format but those last few hours listening to Vinyl ripped up the plan. I had to get a turntable, I had to buy some vinyl. The fuse had been lit but i could never have imagined where it would take me! TBC I'm off to make a cup of tea before I read the next installment... I wish I'd have done a "Hifi Story" its genius
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 16, 2020 10:46:53 GMT
In 2010 my partner Helen said "why don't we listen to music anymore". I pondered this and realised that since 2005 we had only occasionally set my system up to listen to music and that was usually because I was assessing another Croft amp. One in particular sounded wonderful this being the Dakshini OTL power amp. I unplugged my Quad 606 and popped in or should I say heaved in the slab of OTL and used my QED passive and Rotel CD player. There was a beautiful liquid rendition to the sound which captivated us for a while and got me thinking! The only pic I could find of this Croft Power amp are included on this article. www.6moons.com/audioreviews/croft/croft.htmlThere are many other Croft designs out there, many of which made it too my house and some stage or other but I never bought any of them. I appreciated their superb craftsmanship and sound and it got me thinking of way back when I was young and at Warstones hifi in 1982 and the excitement of that time and the superb sounding systems that emanated from that small dealer above the pet shop. Right thats it, I had decided I would kick the hifi back into touch after lying fallow for 10 years and buy a Croft amplifier again and build my system around this. Croft designs had evolved over those 30 years and now included hybrid designs using MOSFETs in the power amps and a valve input but the preamps were all valve. I contacted my friend Adrian in London who sold Croft gear and made plans for a visit. He lived in North London and so it would mean a big day out listening to gear and a bit of lunch. On a cold February day in 2015 I made my way down and Adrian, who was an old school friend and charming host, welcomed me to his house. After a few pleasantries and good Italian coffee we went upstairs to his Aladins cave of gear. He also sold Gold note and all sorts of exotic stuff and he certainly new how to put together a good system. I had taken my SP2 speakers as reference point. He was a big fan of them and new they would work well with what he had in mind. We spent the day with a simple set up of a £10,000 Gold Note Cd player and a range of Croft amps including the 25 /25R / 25RS / Series 7 and Series 7R. We got some good sounds out of the set ups we put together and most of the day listened to CD and I made my decision to buy the 25R preamp and Series 7 Power amp but just before we wrapped up the session I asked Adrian if he could pop some vinyl on as I had not heard any for 25 Years and wondered what it still sounded like........... Hold on this was not meant to happen!!!! What the hell was going on. What had I been listening too for 25 years. Why did CD not sound like this??? I was not just stunned, I was poleaxed !!! VINYL sounded awesome, it sounded so right, the emotion came back and the quality of audio I had missed was there in front of me. I left Adrian house with my mind racing and I was perplexed! How could I have missed this and not remembered how good Vinyl was. I was planning to base my new system around CD or some digital format but those last few hours listening to Vinyl ripped up the plans. I had to get a turntable, I had to buy some vinyl. The fuse had been lit but i could never have imagined where it would take me! TBC That Glenn Croft amp you pictured is completely drool worthy. What a beautiful piece of valve gear. Amazing how you introduced Vinyl back into your life by accident but I'm bet you're glad you did! CD, killing enjoyment since the 80s 🤣🤣 I dont hear the same issues with modern day Digital sources, as I did with 90s stuff but I am pretty sure the only stuff I heard then was sub par, budget Sony gear. Shouldn't judge an entire format on that. I think the story is about to pick up pace now you have vinyl to talk about. Good piece Jim
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Post by jimbo on Feb 16, 2020 10:55:32 GMT
Yes some of Glenns earlier stuff was stunning and built like a tank but put together like a swiss watch.
Vinyl coming back to me was totally accidental but as you know very important to the next stage of my life in hifi. Digital only took a backseat but as you know i keep a keen ear open to all that is going on in the digital world.
I have lived through a time of great transformation in Audio and been apart of it all in one way or another, some for better some for worse but you have to embrace whats around you at the time.
Vinyl is the curved ball!
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 16, 2020 11:13:36 GMT
Yes some of Glenns earlier stuff was stunning and built like a tank but put together like a swiss watch. Vinyl coming back to me was totally accidental but as you know very important to the next stage of my life in hifi. Digital only took a backseat but as you know i keep a keen ear open to all that is going on in the digital world. I have lived through a time of great transformation in Audio and been apart of it all in one way or another, some for better some for worse but you have to embrace whats around you at the time. Vinyl is the curved ball! Well I'm looking forward to that installment
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Post by brian2957 on Feb 16, 2020 11:20:06 GMT
Excellent read James . My experience has been similar to yours , although I've ' walked ' away a couple of times after basically giving all my vinyl away when I decided to embrace CD . I've never really got back to into vinyl , although I have a nice GL75 up in the loft . I'm afraid hearing loss may force me into headphones use full time .
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 16, 2020 11:23:31 GMT
Excellent read James . My experience has been similar to yours , although I've ' walked ' away a couple of times after basically giving all my vinyl away when I decided to embrace CD . I've never really got back to into vinyl , although I have a nice GL75 up in the loft . I'm afraid hearing loss may force me into headphones use full time . Are you back to vinyl Brian? I recall you went digital only and atticed the TT?
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Post by jimbo on Feb 16, 2020 11:30:07 GMT
Excellent read James . My experience has been similar to yours , although I've ' walked ' away a couple of times after basically giving all my vinyl away when I decided to embrace CD . I've never really got back to into vinyl , although I have a nice GL75 up in the loft . I'm afraid hearing loss may force me into headphones use full time . Cheers mate, always wanted to get my experience down on paper before I forget it all! Appreciate where you are coming from especially with your hearing loss and therefore using headphones. i am still enjoying the X2s
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Post by jandl100 on Feb 16, 2020 13:08:01 GMT
How can you walk away from music, and for years on end? It makes no sense to me at all. Still, we're all different, I guess.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 16, 2020 13:17:39 GMT
How can you walk away from music, and for years on end? It makes no sense to me at all. Still, we're all different, I guess. That is a question I wondered. I have been heavily involved in music since I was old enough to move. Years of the Beatles, stones, the who and basically anything awesome from my old mans system, then striking out into the Jungle scene of the early 90s then going into the Guitar areas and being in bands etc, well into my 20s I have never been without music and the idea of being without it just seems horrific. All I can surmise is Jim's CD player must have been really bad lol
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 16, 2020 13:35:54 GMT
Haha I know looking back it seems strange as I love music so much. I have over 300 classical Cds and about 500 of other stuff. But I lost interest and passion. My life at that time 2005 to 2015 was very busy and I lived and worked away a lot. I had a flat in Bristol as my office was down there but I travelled all over Europe extensively with the job and lived in Germany for a while so it was difficult finding continuity in my life. Music and especially my Hifi took a back seat as I was ploughing all my money into paying the mortgage off. However in 2015 things took a strange turn and a sequence of events catapulted me back into the audio world I knew as a young man. This time round I was older maybe not wiser but knew what I wanted to achieve and this focussed my mind. That's understandable. Being on the move constantly will usually get in the way of everything
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Post by brian2957 on Feb 16, 2020 20:06:07 GMT
Excellent read James . My experience has been similar to yours , although I've ' walked ' away a couple of times after basically giving all my vinyl away when I decided to embrace CD . I've never really got back to into vinyl , although I have a nice GL75 up in the loft . I'm afraid hearing loss may force me into headphones use full time . Are you back to vinyl Brian? I recall you went digital only and atticed the TT? I have a decent collection of LPs here and a fully working GL75 in the loft at the moment Oli , so who knows where I'll be in a years time
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 16, 2020 21:00:15 GMT
Are you back to vinyl Brian? I recall you went digital only and atticed the TT? I have a decent collection of LPs here and a fully working GL75 in the loft at the moment Oli , so who knows where I'll be in a years time Don't waste what hearing you have left on digital lol!!!
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Post by brian2957 on Feb 16, 2020 21:51:07 GMT
Hah ! Good point
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 21, 2020 18:34:35 GMT
In February 2015 I drove back from Adrians (Audioflair) with a Croft 25R and a Croft Series 7 power amp pondering how I was to go about getting back into vinyl. Unbeknown to me the 'Vinyl Revival' had started and it was a good time to get involved with this ancient form of music. Luckily I had kept just a couple of LPs from my very early collection and although I had nothing to play them on I though I would clean them. I had not got my old velvet brush anymore and the inch of crud looked a bit disconcerting so I had a look on the internet for ways to clean vinyl. I found machines and people on forums who had all sorts of recommendations from wood glue to ultrasonic cleaning. What was going on! At this time I had never joined a forum so i was a bit nervous involving myself with complete strangers but many of these folk turned out to be very decent and helpful on all manner of subjects. So I decided to join a forum called "The Art of Sound" mainly because I liked the name and there were a good few folk on their who had Croft gear. This site had a good repository of information and vinyl enthusiasts so i introduced myself as Jimbo! My plan was to join and get some advice on record cleaning but no sooner had i put the post up a chap called Steve contacted me suggesting I pop over to his gaff as he had a record cleaning machine and he would clean a few records for me. As he was 5 minutes round the corner I decided to visit and was introduced to my first AOS member. That visit changed my life! Steve had a business unit that was most unusual in that he used it for one part of his business which was selling engineered products but his 'office' was "a bit special". He had meticulously converted a room into the ultimate listening room/man cave. His endeavours in Acoustic room treatment were world class and extraordinary. At the time Steve was not selling Hifi but a massive enthusiast. He had a VPI RCM and we soon established we had similar tastes in music. He asked if I would like to listen to his system so I walked into his listening room where stood a huge pair of Dynaudio C4 speakers, a large Stereo Simaudio power amp and in the corner of the room on a shelf was a VPI Traveler turnable. The killer deal was it had an Ortofon 2M Black strapped to the tonearm. This was all a new world to me but when I sat down and listened to music in that room that night I was simply blown away. I had not heard anything like it since my early days back at Warstones Hifi 25 years ago. This was my second turntable/vinyl experience in 25 years and I was stunned! We listened to Michael Hedges, Andrea Vollenveider, Gsldfrapp, Louis Armstrong and Steve Wilson amongst others that night and I was just amazed and in total awe at what could be achieved with vinyl. That night I did not sleep. This was to be the first of many nights I would spend in that room slowly being introduced to the amazing wonders that could be achieved with vinyl and in later year Digital. It was literally a life changing experience. Soon after I bought a VPI Scout 1.1 turntable and a 2M Black cartridge from Steve and I started the ascent to becoming a full blown audiophile! Steve..... He's been very influential on you, had t he Jim. Hes a nice fella too. Was there a reason you went for the VPI scout, over the likes of 401, sp10 etc Yes, the value of forum members seems to be completely overlooked at times. I know from my own journey that the guys you meet via these areas of congregation, can be massively helpful. Looking forward to the next installment
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Post by macca on Feb 21, 2020 19:13:51 GMT
You used to work in a hifi shop then Jim?
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Post by jimbo on Feb 21, 2020 19:16:44 GMT
You used to work in a hifi shop then Jim? Yes I worked for a short while at Downing and Downing in Stourbridge. They were selling Technics gear , Quad and B&O to name but a few.
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Post by macca on Feb 21, 2020 19:22:06 GMT
I applied for a job with Superfi back in about 1990 or 1991. Didn't get it. They asked me what my system was and were distinctly unimpressed when I told them.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 21, 2020 19:25:06 GMT
I applied for a job with Superfi back in about 1990 or 1991. Didn't get it. They asked me what my system was and were distinctly unimpressed when I told them.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 21, 2020 20:47:52 GMT
I applied for a job with Superfi back in about 1990 or 1991. Didn't get it. They asked me what my system was and were distinctly unimpressed when I told them. They wouldnt even know what my system is lol
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