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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:21:46 GMT
A Midlands meet up would be good sometime later this year with a guest from the North? Depending on when it is, would there be room for someone from down South as well? A bit cheeky of me asking, but you never know. |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 25, 2020 20:34:01 GMT
A Midlands meet up would be good sometime later this year with a guest from the North? Depending on when it is, would there be room for someone from down South as well? A bit cheeky of me asking, but you never know. Well it might be when I get a house...... |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 25, 2020 20:53:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 20:54:19 GMT
Test tickles?
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Post by jimbo on Feb 25, 2020 21:12:52 GMT
Yes all Ok but still not able to post photos?
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Post by jimbo on Feb 25, 2020 21:19:45 GMT
 Well something nice has appeared. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 25, 2020 21:34:25 GMT
Oh!! Is the system coming back out? |
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Post by brian2957 on Feb 25, 2020 21:44:15 GMT
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Post by jimbo on Feb 26, 2020 6:52:20 GMT
Well something nice has appeared. Oh!! Is the system coming back out? No just photo memories...  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 7:08:57 GMT
It could be worse. You could have your system set up, but no chance to use it properly as my daughter is in bed when I finally get a chance to do so.
I am seriously considering putting a mezzanine in the garage or building a nce "shed" in the garden for me to use.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2020 7:43:37 GMT
Oh!! Is the system coming back out? No just photo memories... Oh, so you're torturing yourself lol |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2020 7:44:39 GMT
It could be worse. You could have your system set up, but no chance to use it properly as my daughter is in bed when I finally get a chance to do so. I am seriously considering putting a mezzanine in the garage or building a nce "shed" in the garden for me to use. I have a garage that I plan to move the system to. I just haven't done enough research of converting a single skin garage into a domestic room. |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 26, 2020 9:24:41 GMT
No just photo memories... Oh, so you're torturing yourself lol It is torture, 4 months and counting! |
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Post by firebottle on Feb 26, 2020 11:00:07 GMT
No room at all where you are?
Come and have a session here.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 26, 2020 12:24:40 GMT
No room at all where you are? Come and have a session here. Yes I definitely need to get over. I will try soon. |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 26, 2020 20:54:06 GMT
More torture.....a nice warm glow on a wintery night!  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2020 22:02:40 GMT
Have you thought about some vintage light bulbs to mimic the valve glow, for when you get the Neurochrome lol |
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Post by jimbo on Feb 27, 2020 6:36:14 GMT
More torture.....a nice warm glow on a wintery night! Have you thought about some vintage light bulbs to mimic the valve glow, for when you get the Neurochrome lol  |
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Post by macca on Feb 27, 2020 8:55:23 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 27, 2020 9:12:15 GMT
Hahaha, that's a fantastic idea. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 1, 2020 10:32:26 GMT
Great read again, Jim.
Yes, recognising you have a problem is the first step lol
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Post by macca on Mar 1, 2020 11:07:57 GMT
Jim - whilst I donlt want to trawl over old ground I have to say that the one thing you are missing is that it is possible to get stunningly good sound quality from CD, something I am happy to demonstrate any time. I demonstrated this to Ollie using a budget Sony CDP in his (old DCB1/Krell) system some time ago now.
Obviously SQ will vary depending on the quality of the cd player, but the main thing is the amplification. I suspect your cd player was causing your amps to clip, I had the same issue when using Croft amps. It's not uncommon with other amplification too.
If you can't get far on the volume dial before it gets too loud, or if you simply can't get a satisfactory mid-point on the volume between too quiet and too loud that's a good indicator that there's a mis-match between output of the player and the input of the amplifier and there will be clipping distortion right across the board.
Result is a grainy sound or even a harsh or hard sound. Again I can demonstrate this by changing amplification whilst using the same CDP, the difference in SQ is enormous and has noting to do with the quality of the amps or the CD player but the compatibility between them.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 1, 2020 12:00:37 GMT
Jim - whilst I donlt want to trawl over old ground I have to say that the one thing you are missing is that it is possible to get stunningly good sound quality from CD, something I am happy to demonstrate any time. I demonstrated this to Ollie using a budget Sony CDP in his (old DCB1/Krell) system some time ago now. Obviously SQ will vary depending on the quality of the cd player, but the main thing is the amplification. I suspect your cd player was causing your amps to clip, I had the same issue when using Croft amps. It's not uncommon with other amplification too. If you can't get far on the volume dial before it gets too loud, or if you simply can't get a satisfactory mid-point on the volume between too quiet and too loud that's a good indicator that there's a mis-match between output of the player and the input of the amplifier and there will be clipping distortion right across the board. Result is a grainy sound or even a harsh or hard sound. Again I can demonstrate this by changing amplification whilst using the same CDP, the difference in SQ is enormous and has noting to do with the quality of the amps or the CD player but the compatibility between them. I am sure good results can be had from CD however I would not go back to this format as I would probably use FBA instead. I would really like to hear CD done well but my experience not only with my own equipment but with many other set ups at other folks has left me feeling none plussed. |
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Post by stevew on Mar 1, 2020 12:01:10 GMT
Great read again Jim.
Can recognise the evolution, as I fell out of love with actually listening to music. Luckily for me I was encouraged by my wife not to get rid of the vinyl.
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Post by macca on Mar 1, 2020 12:24:05 GMT
Jim - whilst I donlt want to trawl over old ground I have to say that the one thing you are missing is that it is possible to get stunningly good sound quality from CD, something I am happy to demonstrate any time. I demonstrated this to Ollie using a budget Sony CDP in his (old DCB1/Krell) system some time ago now. Obviously SQ will vary depending on the quality of the cd player, but the main thing is the amplification. I suspect your cd player was causing your amps to clip, I had the same issue when using Croft amps. It's not uncommon with other amplification too. If you can't get far on the volume dial before it gets too loud, or if you simply can't get a satisfactory mid-point on the volume between too quiet and too loud that's a good indicator that there's a mis-match between output of the player and the input of the amplifier and there will be clipping distortion right across the board. Result is a grainy sound or even a harsh or hard sound. Again I can demonstrate this by changing amplification whilst using the same CDP, the difference in SQ is enormous and has noting to do with the quality of the amps or the CD player but the compatibility between them. I am sure good results can be had from CD however I would not go back to this format as I would probably use FBA instead. I would really like to hear CD done well but my experience not only with my own equipment but with many other set ups at other folks has left me feeling none plussed. Not suggesting you go back to it, it is an antiquated digital format now, I only stick with it out of idleness and because faffing about with computers irritates me. But if I still thought that it was intrinsically poor in SQ terms I'd dump it for file-based in a heartbeat. It isn't - or at least it doesn't have to be, and that was the only point I was making. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 1, 2020 13:02:30 GMT
I am sure good results can be had from CD however I would not go back to this format as I would probably use FBA instead. I would really like to hear CD done well but my experience not only with my own equipment but with many other set ups at other folks has left me feeling none plussed. Not suggesting you go back to it, it is an antiquated digital format now, I only stick with it out of idleness and because faffing about with computers irritates me. But if I still thought that it was intrinsically poor in SQ terms I'd dump it for file-based in a heartbeat. It isn't - or at least it doesn't have to be, and that was the only point I was making. Get rid of the moving parts macca and you'll be rewarded. PecanPi, RPI, SSD. It's making a mockery of all my digital inhibitions. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 6, 2020 7:08:12 GMT
I am sure good results can be had from CD however I would not go back to this format as I would probably use FBA instead. I would really like to hear CD done well but my experience not only with my own equipment but with many other set ups at other folks has left me feeling none plussed. Not suggesting you go back to it, it is an antiquated digital format now, I only stick with it out of idleness and because faffing about with computers irritates me. But if I still thought that it was intrinsically poor in SQ terms I'd dump it for file-based in a heartbeat. It isn't - or at least it doesn't have to be, and that was the only point I was making. I am afraid having compared very good CD against FBA there is really no comparison. I think even my ripped files on my Macbook Pro via Audirvana would trounce most CD players. Why would I go back to use awkward shiny discs in a difficult to open plastic case when I have awkward big black discs to retrieve from antistatic sleeves in cardboard outers that have to be carefully manipulated onto a mechanical machine without scratching, picking up dust or static and then try and play music on them with a fragile stylus which has to be carefully placed into a groove. It beats me...  |
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Post by stevew on Mar 6, 2020 9:14:40 GMT
It’s because of the big pictures.
Obvious really.
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Post by macca on Mar 6, 2020 10:58:09 GMT
Not suggesting you go back to it, it is an antiquated digital format now, I only stick with it out of idleness and because faffing about with computers irritates me. But if I still thought that it was intrinsically poor in SQ terms I'd dump it for file-based in a heartbeat. It isn't - or at least it doesn't have to be, and that was the only point I was making. I am afraid having compared very good CD against FBA there is really no comparison. I have also done this comparison and have to disagree. FBA does not intrinsically sound better. Added to which there is no inherent technical reason why CD would sound inferior. It is still just a computer reading a file. Implementation could be an issue in your test i.e compatibility of player and amplification. Or you were not comparing the exact same recording - not straightforward as the progeny of a file can be difficult to determine. You don't necessarily know what streaming services are giving you or what tweaks they have applied to the waveform. They are competing with other services to sound 'the best.' Copying the CD to a file them comparing is required, with care taken over the copying and with level-matching on playback. And ideally done blind. In that situation, and assuming all else is equal, I would bet money you would be unable to distinguish between CD and FBA reliably. Should also add that using an external DAC with a CD player can introduce distortion and noise. Use the DAC in the CD player. Or if you have to use an optical connection which will at least cut out noise. There are many slip ups possible when making a comparison of file and CD. |
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Post by macca on Mar 6, 2020 11:06:49 GMT
Just to add I have on two occasions listened to a very expensive CAD file based set up through two different systems. The first time it sounded outstanding. The second time it was 'meh'. Eliminate all the variables before drawing conclusions. If the conclusion you reach makes no logical/technical sense then the likelihood is you are not comparing apples and apples.
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