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Post by sq225917 on Dec 12, 2020 0:21:42 GMT
Yes that looks perfect oli, must be the image compression making moire patterns.
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Post by antonio on Dec 12, 2020 1:43:39 GMT
Looks good Oli. When I was searching for an amplifier and other stuff on these Chinese sites, there are some amazing cases for the diy'er.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 12, 2020 8:48:34 GMT
Gonna have to get mine back to you after the New Year and one-box it with the newer transformer, I assume the current case is no good as a one box? No, would need a new case, new Traffo, CNC work, soft start.... But it can be done |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 12, 2020 8:48:56 GMT
Yes that looks perfect oli, must be the image compression making moire patterns. Yup, camera is crap on this Samsung galaxy 10. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 12, 2020 8:49:58 GMT
Looks good Oli. When I was searching for an amplifier and other stuff on these Chinese sites, there are some amazing cases for the diy'er. Lots of decent cases out there now. This one is a proper job. Heavyweight alu, no rattling lid..rock solid! |
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Post by mikeyb on Dec 12, 2020 8:55:29 GMT
Gonna have to get mine back to you after the New Year and one-box it with the newer transformer, I assume the current case is no good as a one box? No, would need a new case, new Traffo, CNC work, soft start.... But it can be done Wonder if it’s worth trying a longer umbilical from psu to stage to see if that worked first. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 12, 2020 9:19:24 GMT
No, would need a new case, new Traffo, CNC work, soft start.... But it can be done Wonder if it’s worth trying a longer umbilical from psu to stage to see if that worked first. Could be worth a try. |
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Post by dt79 on Dec 13, 2020 9:32:51 GMT
Hi all, after reading the build story and people’s fantastic experiences with the BB3 here, I’ve joined the queue for one of these beauties!
Can’t wait to hear more!
Dan.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 13, 2020 9:39:31 GMT
Hi all, after reading the build story and people’s fantastic experiences with the BB3 here, I’ve joined the queue for one of these beauties! Can’t wait to hear more! Dan. Hi Dan, Welcome to the forum! The queue is getting longer lol Oliver. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 13, 2020 20:00:10 GMT
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Post by gninnam on Dec 13, 2020 20:39:27 GMT
Looking great  Remind me - what's the damage for the kit and a ready built unit? Also, what do you get in the kit? Cheers |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 13, 2020 21:00:36 GMT
Looking great Remind me - what's the damage for the kit and a ready built unit? Also, what do you get in the kit? Cheers There is no kit for this one anymore. The only way to get one is for me to build it. |
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Post by gninnam on Dec 13, 2020 21:27:38 GMT
Looking great Remind me - what's the damage for the kit and a ready built unit? Also, what do you get in the kit? Cheers There is no kit for this one anymore. The only way to get one is for me to build it. Shame there is no kit anymore. So - what's the damage for a built one or is it dependant on spec? |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 22, 2020 20:03:33 GMT
Vent holes in the lid seem to look like they belong   |
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Post by dt79 on Dec 22, 2020 21:25:16 GMT
Looking good Oliver! Can’t wait to get my hands on one!
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 22, 2020 21:43:07 GMT
Looking good Oliver! Can’t wait to get my hands on one! It'll soon come! Thanks BTW. Very happy with the final look. |
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 22, 2020 22:05:30 GMT
Honestly, I can't think of a better looking none shop phonostage.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 22, 2020 22:38:48 GMT
Honestly, I can't think of a better looking none shop phonostage. Aw,. Thank you! That's a really great bit of feedback ☺️ |
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Post by antonio on Dec 23, 2020 0:32:17 GMT
Nice one Oli
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Post by robbiegong on Dec 23, 2020 12:19:43 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 23, 2020 12:53:15 GMT
Thanks Gents
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 16:30:19 GMT
It looks really tidy. If I get close to that, I will be happy.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 23, 2020 16:38:59 GMT
It looks really tidy. If I get close to that, I will be happy. You will, I'm sure |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 10, 2021 17:25:58 GMT
Anyone got any measurements available for the BB3?
In particular I am interested in the following if they are available:
Equivalent Input Noise (IEN)
0.6nV weighted and unweighted
Signal to noise ratio
MC Low output 2V/Bal
MC Hi output 2v/Bal
Harmonic distortion 2V/Bal
Just want to compare againts another MC phono stage I am interested in?
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Post by firebottle on Mar 10, 2021 18:01:40 GMT
@ jimbo No measurements are available or have been undertaken. The best acoustic transducers have been used, ears. Why are you quoting 0.6nV, it can't be weighted and unweighted? The output is not 2V or balanced so any figure would be meaningless in comparison. Also what are the Low output and high output levels? Again for distortion, just check all the extremely positive feedback for air, space and instrument placement and separation. You don't get that with high distortion figures. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 10, 2021 18:21:53 GMT
Anyone got any measurements available for the BB3? In particular I am interested in the following if they are available: Equivalent Input Noise (IEN) 0.6nV weighted and unweighted Signal to noise ratio MC Low output 2V/Bal MC Hi output 2v/Bal Harmonic distortion 2V/Bal Just want to compare againts another MC phono stage I am interested in? I'd buy the IFI Zen phono if you are choosing on specs alone, Jim. I presume that's the one you are comparing to, as they are the only company/maker that publishes all of those specs. I think you can get them for about £150 👍 |
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Post by rexton on Mar 10, 2021 19:29:19 GMT
No measurements are available or have been undertaken. The best acoustic transducers have been used, ears. Why are you quoting 0.6nV, it can't be weighted and unweighted? The output is not 2V or balanced so any figure would be meaningless in comparison. Also what are the Low output and high output levels? Again for distortion, just check all the extremely positive feedback for air, space and instrument placement and separation. You don't get that with high distortion figures. I'd be interested in some figures as well. I appreciate how something measures dosen't necessarily relate to who it sounds but I do use some of these figures to make a semi-informed decision on kit selection and quite often I get good synergy.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 10, 2021 19:30:32 GMT
The IFI Zen gets great reviews and Fremer thought it compared particularly well against some mega priced stuff so at £150 it looks an absolute bargain to start listening to MC cartidges. I like the options of being able to use Hi or Lo ouput MC cartridges and indeed Very Lo.
I was just interested to see how the BB3 measured in comparison as it is so well thought of. The IFI has an extremely low noise floor (-151db) even compared against some of the best MC phono stages out there and as we know low noise is critical in MC phono stages.
But as we all know specs dont tell you everything!
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 10, 2021 19:58:42 GMT
The IFI Zen gets great reviews and Fremer thought it compared particularly well against some mega priced stuff so at £150 it looks an absolute bargain to start listening to MC cartidges. I like the options of being able to use Hi or Lo ouput MC cartridges and indeed Very Lo. I was just interested to see how the BB3 measured in comparison as it is so well thought of. The IFI has an extremely low noise floor (-151db) even compared against some of the best MC phono stages out there and as we know low noise is critical in MC phono stages. But as we all know specs dont tell you everything! As i said to you recently Jim, There are multiple ways of achieving figures. It's the sacrifices you are willing to make elsewhere in the circuit that get you to those kind of numbers. There are no free lunches in HiFi, so for £150, i would expect there to be sacrifices or things that are not optimal, or it wouldnt be £150! The trouble with specs with Valve phonostages, is that with every different valve you use, you alter the spec. We used 2x pinnacle valves when we initially started to build and measure the BB3. We were convinced we had enough gain etc and everything measured well.... However, when we put Tesla valves in, we got a huge drop in gain. It's not quite that simple with valve phonostages. There are specs in this thread. Feel free to dig back and see if any are comparable. In truth though, if you REALLY want to compare them, you'll have to buy one of each and use your ears. After all, that's all that matters in the end. Anyway, I have a waiting list until September so that should give you enough time to get acquainted with the IFI  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 10, 2021 20:01:08 GMT
No measurements are available or have been undertaken. The best acoustic transducers have been used, ears. Why are you quoting 0.6nV, it can't be weighted and unweighted? The output is not 2V or balanced so any figure would be meaningless in comparison. Also what are the Low output and high output levels? Again for distortion, just check all the extremely positive feedback for air, space and instrument placement and separation. You don't get that with high distortion figures. I'd be interested in some figures as well. I appreciate how something measures dosen't necessarily relate to who it sounds but I do use some of these figures to make a semi-informed decision on kit selection and quite often I get good synergy.
A standard (most common) set of measurements are already in the thread. Around page 2 iirc. |
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