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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 7:52:22 GMT
Hi Antonio
It did take a little long that anticipated due to house hold jobs and customers orders. So currently I am listening to the set up with the twin Mutec MC3+ approach with the new psu powering them both. Plus not gown any extra arms and legs since my Covid jab last Thursday Its been on the bench being well and truly tested and measured and over stretched so it was ready for the system this afternoon. Photographic progress of the way the world turned since the last update. Just the tidying up to sort out at this point All buttoned up and working ready for testing Where it all happens... Total requirement for the twin Mutec MC3+ approach
Measurements of ripple on the DC lines at 1.2amps of load at the DUT displaying a quite amazing 8.6uv of noise in laymans terms it is incredibly quiet and very robust while being used not at idle. Just to check the readings, the scale of readings are 440nv per division Lastly the psu and second Mutec now in the system. Hi misterc,
could you please explain a bit this setup? How are the units connected, what is the role of the X50D in this setup and what is the idea behind the two Mutecs?
I'm really curious.
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Post by misterc on Feb 26, 2021 9:15:25 GMT
Hi misterc,
could you please explain a bit this setup? How are the units connected, what is the role of the X50D in this setup and what is the idea behind the two Mutecs?
I'm really curious.
Hello Man in the ear More than happy to, though currently I am very busy with large projects, please do give me a call on the works number and I will happily run through it for you, it will take a lot less time that for myself to write an in-depth response. Will be available after 2pm today, busy this morning coherent-systems.co.uk/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 10:30:30 GMT
Hi misterc,
could you please explain a bit this setup? How are the units connected, what is the role of the X50D in this setup and what is the idea behind the two Mutecs?
I'm really curious.
Hello Man in the ear More than happy to, though currently I am very busy with large projects, please do give me a call on the works number and I will happily run through it for you, it will take a lot less time that for myself to write an in-depth response. Will be available after 2pm today, busy this morning coherent-systems.co.uk/Hi misterc, thx for the reply, honestly I tried to avoid that, because my English is not so good.... But I'll by happy to try that. Unfortunately today is not possible. Perhaps next week Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday morning?
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Post by stevew on Feb 26, 2021 16:01:14 GMT
Had the Pfizer jab and rebuilt my Roksan Xerxes. Not sure which has knackered me most!
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 26, 2021 19:00:55 GMT
Still waiting for the probate machinery to clank round so I can finally get my grubby mitts on the money that mother has left me. Won't happen for another 2 whole months yet as the advertisement has to appear in the London Gazette for 2 months and 1 day for anyone else to claim. Rather pointless to be honest as I am the only person alive related to her. Had to buy another car last week as both of ours were due for MOT next week and they both had a lot of corrosion so would in all probability have failed. Luckily the dealer took both in part exchange against the new one. So pleased the wife is on furlough otherwise we would be squabbling over who is using the one car. That will be remedied when the big day finally comes. I spend a lot of time trawling the net for some new hi-fi gear. Not much will still be available in 2 months time to be truthful, but it gives me a reason to waste time on the boring days stuck indoors at home. At least I know roughly how much I am going to spend on these new baubles
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Post by macca on Feb 26, 2021 21:36:42 GMT
That's going to be fun.
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 26, 2021 22:26:58 GMT
You are not wrong.
Another 2 months to go, which makes nearly 6 months in total.
If the old girl had any property or investments it would take even longer The heir hunters want 20% just to find me, the lawyers will swipe 5% and maybe more, the probate application costs 215 quid, plus another 500 quid for the notices to go into the newspapers. The undertakers want a nice wedge as well, so the total will soon drop like a stone.
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Post by macca on Feb 27, 2021 8:57:19 GMT
Everyone gets to dip their beak. It's always the way.
So you going to tell us what you've got your eye on then or what?
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Post by misterc on Feb 27, 2021 9:46:41 GMT
Recently we have been looking at property for an upcoming project, popped along to an auction to bid on an older property and land. This I have never heard of at ll before, the lot was sold a few weeks before (they vendors had 'forgotten' to inform the auctioneers) that they had sold said lot to a developers, get this. Who were waiting outside the solicitors just AFTER the will reading and jumped in will a slightly over the top offer. You could not make this up
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 27, 2021 14:41:32 GMT
So you going to tell us what you've got your eye on then or what? I am torn between an intgrated and a pre/power combo. The Gryphon Attilla is a good candidate for an integrated amp and maybe an ATC P1 power and SCA 2 pre would do nicely.
A CD player is a bit trickier to shortlist as it almost has to be secondhand. Almost all the new players are slot loading rubbish or CD ROM drives and I have too many fond memories of trying to dig CDs out of slot drives, in fact I had two given to me to review and both broke down immediately
This BMC player takes my fancy at the moment, although the dealer selling it is less than ideal
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Post by macca on Feb 27, 2021 15:32:29 GMT
Don't know any of that kit but it all looks good.
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Post by misterc on Feb 27, 2021 16:44:01 GMT
This BMC player takes my fancy at the moment, although the dealer selling it is less than ideal
You will get no agruement on that one from me Frank
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 27, 2021 19:53:54 GMT
This BMC player takes my fancy at the moment, although the dealer selling it is less than ideal
You will get no agruement on that one from me Frank I'm afraid that particular dealer was off sick the day "customer care" was being taught
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Post by antonio on Feb 28, 2021 1:12:55 GMT
I've heard similar reports, and it has always put me off that dealer as well, yet he is still in business and others have said bought from him no problem.
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Post by antonio on Feb 28, 2021 1:15:12 GMT
So you going to tell us what you've got your eye on then or what? I am torn between an intgrated and a pre/power combo. The Gryphon Attilla is a good candidate for an integrated amp and maybe an ATC P1 power and SCA 2 pre would do nicely.
A CD player is a bit trickier to shortlist as it almost has to be secondhand. Almost all the new players are slot loading rubbish or CD ROM drives and I have too many fond memories of trying to dig CDs out of slot drives, in fact I had two given to me to review and both broke down immediately
This BMC player takes my fancy at the moment, although the dealer selling it is less than ideal
That Gryphon could be a huge bargain, only came out last year price £7k. I couldn't help myself having a look on ebay to help spend your money, these are supposed to be very good:- www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AYON-CD5s-valve-cd-player-with-pre-and-dac-option/254882731752?epid=9038031842&hash=item3b5831d6e8:g:kIQAAOSwMTdgOqdRI did see a TAD player on there as well, but probably over budget, but if it takes your fancy speak with miserc, he might find you going cheap. I will throw in my favourite, a cdt so you will need a dac, but saw the cd draw being pushed open and closed on YT, so solid, and imo a real thing of beauty. Would look great with Firebottle's latest dac purchase. www.jays-audio.com/product-page/cdt2-mk3
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 28, 2021 8:18:56 GMT
That Ayon CD player is also on my watch list Antonio, as well as a CD1. Problem is I will have to drive from Cornwall to Bungay to make sure I get anything in full working order and one piece. I bought a pair of speakers from this dealer a few years ago and in one of them all the drivers were seized solid when they arrived. The packing was shoddy too, which this dealer is noted for. Shame, as he has some awesome gear on the shelves. I looked at the TAD player and can't justify spending that amount on any CD player given that they have a limited life expectancy when the lasers expire. The word "cheap" isn't within Mr C's vocabulary range LOL (Sorry Tony).
The Jay's Audio player looks interesting, although I'm not too sure about a CDM4 mechanism, unless it is a new chassis being used.
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Post by macca on Feb 28, 2021 8:58:40 GMT
CDM 4 was produced in the highest numbers of all the Philips CDM mechs and there are loads of variants of it. So Jays probably got a load of them NOS from somewhere.
Speaking as someone who has too many mid range and high end players in the graveyard (although none of them are there due to faulty/dying lasers) I would go for brand new if I were you.
An inexpensive transport with a top quality DAC makes a lot of sense in that regard as the DAC will probably last you out and if there is a transport/laser issue with the transport then you can just replace the whole unit without breaking the bank. Covers the most important sound quality factor which is that there are 3 separate power supplies - one each for the transport, digital and analogue sections.
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 28, 2021 9:20:31 GMT
CDM 4 was produced in the highest numbers of all the Philips CDM mechs and there are loads of variants of it. So Jays probably got a load of them NOS from somewhere. Speaking as someone who has too many mid range and high end players in the graveyard (although none of them are there due to faulty/dying lasers) I would go for brand new if I were you. An inexpensive transport with a top quality DAC makes a lot of sense in that regard as the DAC will probably last you out and if there is a transport/laser issue with the transport then you can just replace the whole unit without breaking the bank. Covers the most important sound quality factor which is that there are 3 separate power supplies - one each for the transport, digital and analogue sections. I cannot argue with your thoughts about a brand new player Martin, but the problem is avoiding the slot loaders that are in vogue which are just too unreliable.
I would however say that a cheap transport is not on the cards as the sound differences between a cheap and better quality drive is significant. I had a CEC belt drive transport some years ago and the sound from that was sublime, even into an old 20 bit DAC.
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Post by macca on Feb 28, 2021 10:13:40 GMT
I was also doubtful about the slot loader but not had any bother with mine so far. Looking at the insides I don't think replacing it if it failed would be difficult.
A heavily engineered drive is obviously better for longevity but although it seems to be taken for granted that different drive mechs sound different there's zero reliable evidence for it. Listening comparisons won't tell you anything unless you can compare two players with different drives and everything else identical. Too many other factors in play to isolate the mech as being the cause of the difference.
see also - DAC chips.
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 28, 2021 11:14:41 GMT
A heavily engineered drive is obviously better for longevity but although it seems to be taken for granted that different drive mechs sound different there's zero reliable evidence for it. Listening comparisons won't tell you anything unless you can compare two players with different drives and everything else identical. Too many other factors in play to isolate the mech as being the cause of the difference. see also - DAC chips. Well if we accept the fact that "bits is bits" then there is no need whatsoever to splurge out on expensive transports. If I could tell you what if any factors determines why an expensive transport sounds "better" than a cheap one then I would be a damn sight more knowledgeable and a good bit wealthier than I am now. In the absence of that knowledge all I have left to rely on is my ears, which tell me rightly or wrongly that better is best.
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Post by macca on Feb 28, 2021 11:29:16 GMT
I try to work out the reason why better is better and try and save some money by not paying extra for things that don't make better better.
But I agree sometimes that just isn't possible and you have to just go with the gut.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 12:55:52 GMT
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Post by misterc on Feb 28, 2021 18:45:44 GMT
That Ayon CD player is also on my watch list Antonio, as well as a CD1. Problem is I will have to drive from Cornwall to Bungay to make sure I get anything in full working order and one piece. I bought a pair of speakers from this dealer a few years ago and in one of them all the drivers were seized solid when they arrived. The packing was shoddy too, which this dealer is noted for. Shame, as he has some awesome gear on the shelves. I looked at the TAD player and can't justify spending that amount on any CD player given that they have a limited life expectancy when the lasers expire. The word "cheap" isn't within Mr C's vocabulary range LOL (Sorry Tony).
The Jay's Audio player looks interesting, although I'm not too sure about a CDM4 mechanism, unless it is a new chassis being used.
Dominic When Tad lauched the D1000 I asked the them CEO Wantabe-san the same question about the CD drives he replied we have made three drives for every player we have built! So I further asked why are you expecting any issues what I got on return was a death stare that a 35 level Mage who had just been told his wand of polymorphing had just broken The Ayon player is nice player, though just be wary of older models i have repaired in few over the years the previous distributor is a good friend the current one well erm... These days I would suggest a ripper/streamer with built in storage plus flavour with the dac of your choice
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 28, 2021 19:32:16 GMT
People really are getting dumber and dumber
If you took their brains out and put a turd in there instead, you would probably quadruple their intelligence
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 28, 2021 20:03:08 GMT
That Ayon CD player is also on my watch list Antonio, as well as a CD1. Problem is I will have to drive from Cornwall to Bungay to make sure I get anything in full working order and one piece. I bought a pair of speakers from this dealer a few years ago and in one of them all the drivers were seized solid when they arrived. The packing was shoddy too, which this dealer is noted for. Shame, as he has some awesome gear on the shelves. I looked at the TAD player and can't justify spending that amount on any CD player given that they have a limited life expectancy when the lasers expire. The word "cheap" isn't within Mr C's vocabulary range LOL (Sorry Tony).
The Jay's Audio player looks interesting, although I'm not too sure about a CDM4 mechanism, unless it is a new chassis being used.
Dominic When Tad lauched the D1000 I asked the them CEO Wantabe-san the same question about the CD drives he replied we have made three drives for every player we have built! So I further asked why are you expecting any issues what I got on return was a death stare that a 35 level Mage who had just been told his wand of polymorphing had just broken The Ayon player is nice player, though just be wary of older models i have repaired in few over the years the previous distributor is a good friend the current one well erm... These days I would suggest a ripper/streamer with built in storage plus flavour with the dac of your choice By coincidence, I was looking at a Bladelius Embla ripper on ebay this very morning. Difficult to make up one's mind about how I would live with it when you see who the vendor is again
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Post by antonio on Mar 1, 2021 1:03:08 GMT
I kinda agree with misterc, a ripper/streamer and separate dac, is the sensible route,. breaks my heart when I see how good looking the Jays cdt is though. Macca was perfectly correct in assuming Jays have purchased loads of them CDM 4's. Didn't realise you had previously owned a CEC, loads of them on sale, direct from Japan, buy a step down transformer, pay duty/tax and you're still quids in than if bought in the uk. Went to demo cdt's and one of them was a CEC, can't remember the exact one but cost was nearly £3k, a lovely sounding unit, proved to us transports do make a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 8:00:22 GMT
Today I ordered a new brush cutter.
Oh, the “joys” of having a big garden. I could have almost bought a new MC cartridge for the same price, but that won’t keep the snakes away.
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Post by firebottle on Mar 1, 2021 8:14:22 GMT
You'll have to start milking them for the 'oil', quids (Euros) in then.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 1, 2021 8:16:20 GMT
You'll have to start milking them for the 'oil', quids (Euros) in then. Sell it as bearing lubricant and folks will be throwing cash at you lol
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Post by macca on Mar 1, 2021 8:40:43 GMT
brush cutter my arse you just need to do some training -
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