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Post by macca on Dec 17, 2023 12:14:02 GMT
I'm saying that's by far the most likely explanation. Not quite the same thing.
Just knowing whether it's WAV or FLAC can alter our perception of the sound. It seems real, I suppose it is real by some definitions of 'real'.
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 17, 2023 12:20:43 GMT
There should be ZERO difference after all its loss less compression. My advice for the last 15 years when ripping has been if the disc is hot rip WAV, if its flat rip FLAC if Hot rip> WAV if Flat rip> FLAC
I assume you are talking about sounds hot or flat? If so, that implies the opposite of Oli's experience on this item?
Ten years ago the discussions I was reading said that FLAC is WAV with a carrier envelope and metadata. Yet I heard a slight difference and found the WAV slightly more open and slightly better transients. SLIGHTLY. Some were guessing that it must be due to the slight overhead of a player opening the FLAC and the noise created by the extra processing. Also a few encoders and players could find a place for metadata in a WAV file but others would not read the metadata (genre, composer, etc.) which made WAV less usable in an organised library. As computers have increased in power I just stopped worrying about it.
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Post by macca on Dec 17, 2023 12:48:50 GMT
There should be ZERO difference after all its loss less compression. My advice for the last 15 years when ripping has been if the disc is hot rip WAV, if its flat rip FLAC if Hot rip> WAV if Flat rip> FLAC
I assume you are talking about sounds hot or flat? If so, that implies the opposite of Oli's experience on this item?
welcome to the world of subjective experience! Personally with anything like this I just use what sounds best to me. After all it's my reality and I have to live in it. I just don't go running round the internet saying because I heard it then it's a fact. Not that Oli is doing that but if you search you will find plenty of muppets who are. |
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Post by stevew on Dec 17, 2023 13:43:51 GMT
If a wav file plays in the forest and there is no one there to listen to it, then it is silent.
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Post by macca on Dec 17, 2023 14:53:13 GMT
If a wav file plays in the forest and there is no one there to listen to it, then it is silent. Without an observer present the word 'silent' has no meaning  |
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Post by misterc on Dec 19, 2023 13:41:56 GMT
Weare talking about ripping CD's here not copying digital files from one drive to another I believe.
CD is not bit perfect hence why there is CIRC circuit in place.
Errors found in compact discs (CDs) are a combination of random and burst errors. In order to alleviate the strain on the error control code, some form of interleaving is required. The CD system employs two concatenated Reed–Solomon codes, which are interleaved cross-wise. Judicious positioning of the stereo channels as well as the audio samples on even or odd-number instants within the interleaving scheme, provide the error concealment ability, and the multitude of interleave structures used on the CD makes it possible to correct and detect errors with a relatively low amount of redundancy
Reed–Solomon codes are specifically useful in combating mixtures of random and burst errors. CIRC corrects error bursts up to 3,500 bits in sequence (2.4 mm in length as seen on CD surface) and compensates for error bursts up to 12,000 bits (8.5 mm) that may be caused by minor scratches.
File to file copying is bit perfect, but noise is not
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 30, 2023 9:22:49 GMT
My new to me SUPRA USB cable arrived yesterday.
As you know I've recently taken to using a UGreen USB cable between the X50D and the Topping E30 MKII.
I like to try different cable and the Supra seemed like a decent place to start for £29
Put it in, listened, can't really hear much of a difference to the UGreen. If anything, it sounds a bit smoother maybe, but I wouldn't like to put any money on picking it out of a line up.
Very interesting.
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Post by macca on Dec 30, 2023 9:57:18 GMT
Remember when you were looking in vain for the directional arrows on my coax cable? lol
That cost forty something quid, pretty spendthrift for me.
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Post by stevew on Dec 30, 2023 10:26:55 GMT
Tony sold me an Audioquest Cinnamon usb. According to his web site, he still has one. coherent-systems.co.uk/product/audioquest-cinnamon-usb-rj45-ethernet-cables/Unless of course it’s the one he sold me! Anyway, it’s really good. In fact knowing that I was struggling to raise enough spare funds for an AES streamer, I went and bought a carbon of the bay. Even better. Bunged the cinnamon in my second system… again good result. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 30, 2023 10:38:02 GMT
Remember when you were looking in vain for the directional arrows on my coax cable? lol That cost forty something quid, pretty spendthrift for me. I so remember lol. It's got logic behind it though. Apparently it's the direction the wire was drawn so i have always stuck to it if arrows are present. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 30, 2023 10:38:49 GMT
Tony sold me an Audioquest Cinnamon usb. According to his web site, he still has one. coherent-systems.co.uk/product/audioquest-cinnamon-usb-rj45-ethernet-cables/Unless of course it’s the one he sold me! Anyway, it’s really good. In fact knowing that I was struggling to raise enough spare funds for an AES streamer, I went and bought a carbon of the bay. Even better. Bunged the cinnamon in my second system… again good result. I will be returning to AES when i find the next DAC lol |
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Post by stevew on Dec 30, 2023 13:07:21 GMT
Tony sold me an Audioquest Cinnamon usb. According to his web site, he still has one. coherent-systems.co.uk/product/audioquest-cinnamon-usb-rj45-ethernet-cables/Unless of course it’s the one he sold me! Anyway, it’s really good. In fact knowing that I was struggling to raise enough spare funds for an AES streamer, I went and bought a carbon of the bay. Even better. Bunged the cinnamon in my second system… again good result. I will be returning to AES when i find the next DAC lol There will be 3 along shortly. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 30, 2023 15:40:58 GMT
Well, I'm back to my pure silver Coax cable..
Need to sell some cables off I think.
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Post by macca on Jan 6, 2024 20:43:14 GMT
So you've sold your amp and speakers I think it's about time you told us what your new direction is.
All active with DSP?
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Post by stevew on Jan 6, 2024 20:48:08 GMT
So you've sold your amp and speakers I think it's about time you told us what your new direction is. All active with DSP? Good point .. |
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Post by robbiegong on Jan 6, 2024 20:53:18 GMT
Yeah, where's it all headed mate ??  |
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Post by markn on Jan 6, 2024 21:03:22 GMT
I think Oli's partly told us (TG)...
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 6, 2024 21:53:54 GMT
So you've sold your amp and speakers I think it's about time you told us what your new direction is. All active with DSP? Well, if you must know lol: A little while back Jason came here and measured the listening room for some indication (not EXACT) of what was going on in here. The upshot was a quite staggeringly high peak and trough in the response. At the time nothing could really be done about it as the system didn't have any capability to change, so i threw rockwool around the room and played with it until i had managed to at least improve the sound. fast forward a few weeks and Jason messages to say Troels has released a new design....a mini CNO4, which is what Jason's bases his Vaders on. This meant that for a footprint very similar to my ETKA, i could introduce the active bass element to the room and with Jasons help, maybe it would allow for the FR to be evened out. I had held off from doing anything as there was a remote possibility of a change of job, then maybe a change of house. The job was supposed to start tomorrow but has been pushed back until the end of April due to the lack of anyone who can replace me in my current safety critical role. April is when the replacement should be ready to go. So, the move is not happening this year and i just thought, lets see if there is any interest in the EKTA. Well there was a lot and in 24 hours or so, both the 686 and the EKTA were sold. Kind of made the decision for me. The speaker choice has been narrowed down to two options: www.troelsgravesen.dk/Ellipticor-2F8.htmor www.troelsgravesen.dk/SEAS-NEXTEL-2F.htmI haven't fully committed to either one yet, and will be seeking some expert advice on the options but my gut feeling is the Ellipticor version. Amplifier wise, no idea yet. As part of the EKTA sale, i took an Exposure IV (updated to "18" boards) in PX. Made sense to have something to play music with in the short term. This may end up on a pair of Maggies in the next few days, or a pair of Heco Celan GT702, both of which have been offered to me on loan. May end up on both lol. Either way, changes are coming. |
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Post by robbiegong on Jan 6, 2024 22:06:32 GMT
Love when a man takes his journey and not someone else's, that's the way to do it.
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Post by macca on Jan 6, 2024 22:20:11 GMT
So you've sold your amp and speakers I think it's about time you told us what your new direction is. All active with DSP? Well, if you must know lol: A little while back Jason came here and measured the listening room for some indication (not EXACT) of what was going on in here. The upshot was a quite staggeringly high peak and trough in the response. At the time nothing could really be done about it as the system didn't have any capability to change, so i threw rockwool around the room and played with it until i had managed to at least improve the sound. fast forward a few weeks and Jason messages to say Troels has released a new design....a mini CNO4, which is what Jason's bases his Vaders on. This meant that for a footprint very similar to my ETKA, i could introduce the active bass element to the room and with Jasons help, maybe it would allow for the FR to be evened out. I had held off from doing anything as there was a remote possibility of a change of job, then maybe a change of house. The job was supposed to start tomorrow but has been pushed back until the end of April due to the lack of anyone who can replace me in my current safety critical role. April is when the replacement should be ready to go. So, the move is not happening this year and i just thought, lets see if there is any interest in the EKTA. Well there was a lot and in 24 hours or so, both the 686 and the EKTA were sold. Kind of made the decision for me. The speaker choice has been narrowed down to two options: www.troelsgravesen.dk/Ellipticor-2F8.htmor www.troelsgravesen.dk/SEAS-NEXTEL-2F.htmI haven't fully committed to either one yet, and will be seeking some expert advice on the options but my gut feeling is the Ellipticor version. Amplifier wise, no idea yet. As part of the EKTA sale, i took an Exposure IV (updated to "18" boards) in PX. Made sense to have something to play music with in the short term. This may end up on a pair of Maggies in the next few days, or a pair of Heco Celan GT702, both of which have been offered to me on loan. May end up on both lol. Either way, changes are coming. I would go with the SEAS-NEXTEL every time. You don't want to go back to a two way speaker. I'm sure it's a good two-way - but just don't! |
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Post by macca on Jan 6, 2024 22:26:30 GMT
Oh wait they are both 3 way? Or is one just a 2 and half way?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 6, 2024 22:31:47 GMT
Oh wait they are both 3 way? Or is one just a 2 and half way? Oh, I don't know....I thought they were both the same, just different drivers |
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Post by mikeyb on Jan 6, 2024 22:33:53 GMT
Oh wait they are both 3 way? Or is one just a 2 and half way? Oh, I don't know....I thought they were both the same, just different drivers That's what I thought too |
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Post by Arke on Jan 6, 2024 22:34:56 GMT
Oh wait they are both 3 way? Or is one just a 2 and half way? XO topology wise, I believe both are 2.5way. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 6, 2024 22:35:34 GMT
Oh wait they are both 3 way? Or is one just a 2 and half way? They are both "3 driver speakers" I presume that means 3-way? Ellipticor Basics: 3-driver speaker. Dimensions: 20/34 x 25/36 x 105 cm, WxDxH (pyramid) System sensitivity: 88 dB/2.8V/1 meter. Impedance: 4-8 Ohms. Power requirement: 20+ watts/channel (semi-active version) Power handling: 100 watts. SEAS Basics: 3-driver speaker. Dimensions: 20/34 x 25/36 x 105 cm, WxDxH (pyramid). System sensitivity: 88 dB/2.8V/1 meter. Impedance: 4-8 Ohms. Power requirement: 20+ watts/channel. Power handling: 100 watts. Yeah....the same lol Edit: both 2.5way according to Jason. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 6, 2024 22:36:00 GMT
Oh wait they are both 3 way? Or is one just a 2 and half way? XO topology wise, I believe both are 2.5way. Oh oh...Macca isn't gonna like that 😂 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 6, 2024 22:36:37 GMT
Oh, I don't know....I thought they were both the same, just different drivers That's what I thought too He needs a better website 😂 |
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Post by Arke on Jan 6, 2024 22:39:51 GMT
Oh wait they are both 3 way? Or is one just a 2 and half way? They are both "3 driver speakers" I presume that means 3-way? Ellipticor Basics: 3-driver speaker. Dimensions: 20/34 x 25/36 x 105 cm, WxDxH (pyramid) System sensitivity: 88 dB/2.8V/1 meter. Impedance: 4-8 Ohms. Power requirement: 20+ watts/channel (semi-active version) Power handling: 100 watts. SEAS Basics: 3-driver speaker. Dimensions: 20/34 x 25/36 x 105 cm, WxDxH (pyramid). System sensitivity: 88 dB/2.8V/1 meter. Impedance: 4-8 Ohms. Power requirement: 20+ watts/channel. Power handling: 100 watts. Yeah....the same lol Edit: both 2.5way according to Jason. . I believe it all comes down to how you define 2.5 and 3 way. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 6, 2024 22:40:42 GMT
They are both "3 driver speakers" I presume that means 3-way? Ellipticor Basics: 3-driver speaker. Dimensions: 20/34 x 25/36 x 105 cm, WxDxH (pyramid) System sensitivity: 88 dB/2.8V/1 meter. Impedance: 4-8 Ohms. Power requirement: 20+ watts/channel (semi-active version) Power handling: 100 watts. SEAS Basics: 3-driver speaker. Dimensions: 20/34 x 25/36 x 105 cm, WxDxH (pyramid). System sensitivity: 88 dB/2.8V/1 meter. Impedance: 4-8 Ohms. Power requirement: 20+ watts/channel. Power handling: 100 watts. Yeah....the same lol Edit: both 2.5way according to Jason. . I believe it all comes down to how you define 2.5 and 3 way. Ok....I don't know if any 3way is better than every 2.5way? I suspect not? |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 6, 2024 22:51:41 GMT
The Exposure amp: Ripe for the moddin' lol   |
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