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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 19:53:23 GMT
Not the most logical step in Hi-Fi. But have there ever been reports, of people successfully using pricey interconnects on their budget CD Players? With good results etc?
So for example a £350 CD Player used with a £400 interconnect.
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 27, 2019 20:03:57 GMT
I have used a £3000 interconnect on a cheap NAD CD player and that improved the sound substantially
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 20:47:12 GMT
Not the most logical step in Hi-Fi. But have there ever been reports, of people successfully using pricey interconnects on their budget CD Players? With good results etc? So for example a £350 CD Player used with a £400 interconnect. S. No point having sub par cables IMO. Spending £350 on a CD player and strangling its ability with crap cabling makes even less sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 23:11:02 GMT
I have used a £3000 interconnect on a cheap NAD CD player and that improved the sound substantially What? Over rehydrated noodles? £350 cd player and £400 leads? Just doesn't seem like the wisest allocation of funds to my mind. Besides... You don't have to spend £400 on Top Notch Top Quality Top Banana leads. You don't have to spend £200. You don't have to spend £100. You don't have to spend £50! No. No Siree...!!!!! |
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 27, 2019 23:16:58 GMT
I have used a £3000 interconnect on a cheap NAD CD player and that improved the sound substantially What? Over rehydrated noodles? £350 cd player and £400 leads, just doesn't seem like the wisest allocation of funds. Besides... You don't have to spend £400 on Top Notch Top Quality Top Banana leads. You don't have to spend £200. You don't have to spend £100. You don't have to spend £50! No. No Siree...!!!!! I replaced a £30 interconnect with the £3000 interconnect. Rehydrated noodles? Really? 
The price ratio between a cheap CD player and an expensive interconnect is totally and utterly irrelevant. The difference lies between a cheap interconnect and an expensive interconnect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 23:58:20 GMT
The price ratio for a cheap and expensive is relative to the individual. If £3000 is pocket change to someone - that is what it is to them; to someone else, it could be a new (old) motor.
Each to their own, but your sort of comparison is just lost on me. Yes, there's "Good" and "Bad" leads, and how good "Good" is and bad "Bad" is is subjective to the individual. Was the "substantial" improvement £3000's worth? To you, perhaps it was. To someone else, probably not. I'd suggest a "substantial" improvement could be had for FREE. Cut the "bad" interconnect in half and solder direct to the cd and pre/amp. Impractical to you - probably. To me - no.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 28, 2019 8:19:00 GMT
Do remember that dealer purchased expensive interconnects often carry huge margins, greatly inflating their perceived value.
Most CD sources surviving today are pretty decent I think and you may just get an added refinement with an expensive interconnect. I'm doing this now with my ton-up twin-supply QED Digit dac (what's it worth, an unlikely ton absolute tops?), using usually NVA TIS cable and currently for a change, a special Furukawa star-quad mic cable that my old pal Dave used to sell and is long discontinued, which I rediscovered recently in my stash-o-Sh#t in the loft. Both really good to me.
Using above two cables over the usual stuff (oh alright, Van Damme and the preferred home made SSC), I 'imagine' more refinement and clarity so I'm happy, but blindfold? No idea really...
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Post by macca on Jul 28, 2019 11:09:48 GMT
Most CD sources surviving today are pretty decent I think My own experimentation with vintage players from the 1980s indicates to me that most CD sources have always been pretty decent. I use whatever interconnect gives me the best sound aka closer to the sound I want. That seems to vary with different combinations. I can't see how the retail price of the CD player or the interconnect has any bearing on anything. You can pay hundreds for a cable that cost the manufacturer a couple of quid to knock up. Likewise you can spend thousands of pounds on a cd player that is just a standard OEM transport and DAC, both of which cost pennies bought in bulk. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 16:00:34 GMT
What exactly is a "cheap" interconnect? Depends on who you ask, does it not?
I don't see how the cost can be taken out and magiced away as if it doesn't have any bearing. It's at the core of the guery in the first place.
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Post by macca on Jul 28, 2019 16:23:31 GMT
I'd say a 'cheap' interconnect is thirty quid or less, based on the fact that interconnects vary in price from less than a tenner to several thousand pounds.
Also there's a limit to how cheap you can make an interconnect to an acceptable standard of materials and construction and still ship it and sell it for a worthwhile profit.
if you're a millionaire you can buy a £5K interconnect without worrying about it but that doesn't make it cheap. 'Cheap' is not relative. 'Affordable' is relative.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 28, 2019 16:33:55 GMT
Don't flame me again for this, but for most users you really can't go wrong with this - www.markgrantcables.co.uk/uk/audio-cables/stereo-cables/van-damme-stereo-audio-cable-with-neutrik-rean-rca-connectors/I still think it sounds just fine for 90% of uses, Mark and colleagues make them up superbly well and they're not making a fortune out of each one. Most of us couldn't get the parts for much less assuming a cut cable length, plugs in very small quantities and then the dreaded handling and postage added on. From a dealer, that £18 would be the thick end of £60 I reckon once huge dealer margins and more VAT are added on. Some interconnect manufacturers would more than double the manufacturing and parts costs, so make that a £75 to even £100 if bought from a dealer - in my opinion. 'Sounds' posher now, doesn't it over the bare-bones £18 from MG... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 16:52:05 GMT
Depends on how you want to view the word "cheap".
Ask Mr MCRU and he will say Spotfire interconnects are "cheap wires", as he has done in the past.
Ask Mr B and he too will say his interconnects are "cheap".
The difference being, of course, is the inference they each place on the word "cheap".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 17:12:41 GMT
Also there's a limit to how cheap you can make an interconnect to an acceptable standard of materials and construction and still ship it and sell it for a worthwhile profit. You'd be surprised at what you can get if you look. Less than £50 will get you ultra-high-quality PC-OCC interconnects. |
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Post by karma67 on Jul 28, 2019 17:29:45 GMT
Also there's a limit to how cheap you can make an interconnect to an acceptable standard of materials and construction and still ship it and sell it for a worthwhile profit. You'd be surprised at what you can get if you look. Less than £50 will get you ultra-high-quality PC-OCC interconnects. show us a link then please |
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 28, 2019 17:38:49 GMT
If we are talking cheap interconnects then THESE are simply stunning for the price. For just over fifteen quid they really are a complete no-brainer.  |
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Post by macca on Jul 28, 2019 17:45:10 GMT
Also there's a limit to how cheap you can make an interconnect to an acceptable standard of materials and construction and still ship it and sell it for a worthwhile profit. You'd be surprised at what you can get if you look. Less than £50 will get you ultra-high-quality PC-OCC interconnects. No I wouldn't, I'm pretty familiar with interconnects, given thirty years in the hobby and that I own dozens of the bloody things. I wouldn't say fifty quid was 'cheap' for an interconnect given that you could buy a competently constructed interconnect for a tenner (or maybe less). As for what 'MCRU' says, well, it's Mandy Rice-Davis time isn't it? My point was that there is only so good an interconnect can be and there's only so much an interconnect designed to be as good as it possibly can be can retail at before you are paying money out for no additional gain (except to the vendor). I don't think we disagree about that. What we might not agree on is what that price level is. Personally I'm not sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 18:07:49 GMT
You'd be surprised at what you can get if you look. Less than £50 will get you ultra-high-quality PC-OCC interconnects. show us a link then please It's a secret!!! And we all like to have our secrets - don't we!?! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 18:12:56 GMT
I didn't say £50 was "cheap". I did say you'd be surprised at what you could get for less than £50. Then again, relatively speaking, £50 IS "cheap" when compared to what you would have to pay from various others for the same level of quality.
The whole cables market pisses me off, and always has done.
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Post by karma67 on Jul 28, 2019 19:02:25 GMT
The whole cables market pisses me off, and always has done. it cant piss you off that much if you know where to buy cheap poocc cable but keep it to yourself so us poor people have to pay over the odds for it. |
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Post by macca on Jul 28, 2019 19:29:00 GMT
I didn't say £50 was "cheap". I did say you'd be surprised at what you could get for less than £50. Then again, relatively speaking, £50 IS "cheap" when compared to what you would have to pay from various others for the same level of quality. The whole cables market pisses me off, and always has done. What pisses you off about it? |
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 28, 2019 19:30:17 GMT
The whole cables market pisses me off, and always has done. So why go to all the bother of participating in threads like this?
It's what pisses me off more than anything else and always has done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 20:03:00 GMT
When people can't help talking absolute bollocks, I just can't help responding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 20:12:00 GMT
I didn't say £50 was "cheap". I did say you'd be surprised at what you could get for less than £50. Then again, relatively speaking, £50 IS "cheap" when compared to what you would have to pay from various others for the same level of quality. The whole cables market pisses me off, and always has done. What pisses you off about it? Having witnessed it's birth and proliferation of product, words & phrases like "slurp" "easy access bandwagon to jump on to - "my Granny makes a killer power lead and it's only 3 grand", "audio cash cow", might have something to do with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 20:18:26 GMT
show us a link then please It's a secret!!! And we all like to have our secrets - don't we!?! Hahaha, Mr K. You make me giggle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 20:20:21 GMT
The whole cables market pisses me off, and always has done. it cant piss you off that much if you know where to buy cheap poocc cable but keep it to yourself so us poor people have to pay over the odds for it. I'll change it to "most". Relatively speaking, you're not poor. Not as poor as me, anyhow. Engage yourself and go look. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 28, 2019 20:44:02 GMT
Nothing like a good old cable thread to get the blood pumping.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 20:51:05 GMT
I have never seen a "good old cable thread"!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 20:53:09 GMT
Nothing like a good old cable thread to get the blood pumping. It fucks me off Westie. High quality materials, sold by someone who isn't rinsing you of your money for profit and I get loads of Sh#t for it. Go buy Van Damme!!! It's fucking W#nk. If you want to stick W#nk cables in your system, do it! I ain't listening to it lol. £5k Vinyl front end, £1k preamp, £2k power amp all played through £20 Van Damme XKE cables and Rean plugs with brass connectors and Van Damme 4mm Blue speaker cable. F#ck off with it Norbert, you're having a laugh. |
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Post by sq225917 on Jul 28, 2019 20:54:26 GMT
Let's look at the numbers.
1mm silver wire about £15/m in anything over 10m from the right supplier. Quality mains plugs, 30 quid at wholesale, decent ice, similar. So a 1.5m solid silver iec costs 100 quid all in inc sleeping. Try finding one in a retailer under 500.
Margins on some cables are huge. Take one of mcru solid silver mains cables with fancy jap plugs at over 1500, at least 100% mark up and Dave's by no means at the top end of the market.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 21:05:58 GMT
Let's look at the numbers. 1mm silver wire about £15/m in anything over 10m from the right supplier. Quality mains plugs, 30 quid at wholesale, decent ice, similar. So a 1.5m solid silver iec costs 100 quid all in inc sleeping. Try finding one in a retailer under 500. Margins on some cables are huge. Take one of mcru solid silver mains cables with fancy jap plugs at over 1500, at least 100% mark up and Dave's by no means at the top end of the market. Yes spot on. Truth is, there are people exploiting people inability to DIY but you can say that about ANY hifi component. |
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