|
Post by macca on Jun 2, 2019 10:27:43 GMT
A QUAD 33 will kill any system dead though.
|
|
|
Post by dsjr on Jun 2, 2019 11:25:25 GMT
Martin, you're doing what DQ told me I was doing - coming out with absolutes! You need to know WHY the 33 is as it is - highly band limited being the real issue here, the rest being age of the design in a pre-digital age. The 57 speakers have no real bass other than distortion below 40hz or so and it would appear the cap coupled 303 which was Top End ss back then, takes off into the 57 load at very low bass frequencies. The 33 has an intrusive high pass filter which starts rolling off on all inputs below 40hz to help with this. Now, Dada Electronics do an excellent (to me) update/upgrade for many Quad boxes and the current 33 one ups the running voltage, replaces all transistors to BC550's (I think from memory) as well as all the old caps (mostly 'Roe' types which were top grade for the UK back then, but not so good today I believe. I also changed the output cap to take the bass a touch lower and using the tape input for digital (minimum sensitivity which is a bit of a bodge as the signal is attenuated and re-amplified), it sounds fine if a little lean, but it's totally presentable. Looks gorgeous too Now, the A&R A60 had a very long life and it changed in production. First ones were musical but sloppy in the bass and the sound dried out and became harder hitting as it went on, the last ones very expensive and not hugely nice to listen through long term. This harder hitting tone was fully realised in the replacement Delta 60, which abandoned tunes in favour of driving rhythms - very 'stark' tone I remember.
|
|
|
Post by macca on Jun 2, 2019 13:46:31 GMT
lol so if you completely rebuild the 33 you can make it a bit less bad? I'll go along with that
|
|
|
Post by dsjr on Jun 2, 2019 14:14:14 GMT
It's a LOT less bad in my opinion and look to your amp before commenting on re-capping please... The transistor change better uses the 16V rails, reducing noise. Doddle to do as all sub boards un-plug or are easily removed in the case of the supply board and there's only a couple of caps to change on the mother board.. It's only really the very low bass that's an issue the way I have mine wired (it's a lovely ornament usually I admit as the IC-150 is rather better and RCA equipped) Tell you summat, I think I'd rather have an updated 33 to an early foggy sounding 34...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 14:41:17 GMT
Are you going to get a full refund on the Xerxes, Westie?
S.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 2, 2019 19:42:42 GMT
I tried the Micromega Duo with the Alpha 5 CD and it certainly improved a lot on the Arcam internal DAC. Still nowhere near good enough though, so it will be getting the heave-ho. I just don’t like a thing about it. Definitely my last ever Arcam purchase, even at a fiver. If you can pay £5 for a piece of kit and still be disappointed, it has to be shite.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 2, 2019 19:45:04 GMT
Are you going to get a full refund on the Xerxes, Westie? S. EBay money back guarantee makes that inevitable. I’ll see what the seller offers but I can’t see any merit in a partial refund.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 2, 2019 19:59:52 GMT
Anyone have any experience of the Pink Triangle DA Capo? I just snagged one fir £72! It’s untested but sold as used so I risk nothing getting it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 22:32:00 GMT
Martin, you're doing what DQ told me I was doing - coming out with absolutes! You need to know WHY the 33 is as it is - highly band limited being the real issue here, the rest being age of the design in a pre-digital age. The 57 speakers have no real bass other than distortion below 40hz or so and it would appear the cap coupled 303 which was Top End ss back then, takes off into the 57 load at very low bass frequencies. The 33 has an intrusive high pass filter which starts rolling off on all inputs below 40hz to help with this. Now, Dada Electronics do an excellent (to me) update/upgrade for many Quad boxes and the current 33 one ups the running voltage, replaces all transistors to BC550's (I think from memory) as well as all the old caps (mostly 'Roe' types which were top grade for the UK back then, but not so good today I believe. I also changed the output cap to take the bass a touch lower and using the tape input for digital (minimum sensitivity which is a bit of a bodge as the signal is attenuated and re-amplified), it sounds fine if a little lean, but it's totally presentable. Looks gorgeous too Now, the A&R A60 had a very long life and it changed in production. First ones were musical but sloppy in the bass and the sound dried out and became harder hitting as it went on, the last ones very expensive and not hugely nice to listen through long term. This harder hitting tone was fully realised in the replacement Delta 60, which abandoned tunes in favour of driving rhythms - very 'stark' tone I remember. Alvin Gold was never a fan of the A60. It did progress over time and the incarnation that used 5532s for the phono stage, he found it was preferable. A mate had a late version one driving Kans. It sounded OK.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 5, 2019 20:57:42 GMT
I want to replace the rotary selector switch in my Claymore. It’s a 4 way. Do I need a 2 or 3 Pole MBB or BBM? I forget and my head doesn’t want to work out the logic behind it.
I’m expecting it’s 3 pole 4 way BBM. Is that right?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 22:18:52 GMT
2 pole 4 way MBB.
You only have 2 channels.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 6, 2019 4:43:05 GMT
2 pole 4 way MBB. You only have 2 channels. Thanks for averting a cock up
|
|
|
Post by dsjr on Jun 6, 2019 15:11:10 GMT
The ones I 'know' are one-to-six way depending on a washer setting before installation - I've just checked some Google images and it's the same bloody thing, albeit in grey where the ones I 'know' are blue! Just set the number of switched inputs, trim the shaft to the required length and solder the wires on (they're on tails from the board it appears).
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 6, 2019 15:39:01 GMT
Thanks Dave. I’ve only ever just installed one with the right number of positions, How do you set the number of inputs? It has a perfectly good ne fitted but it’s a 6 way and it has two vacant positions, which irritates me,
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 15:47:05 GMT
there is normally a washer with a tag on it that locks off unused positions.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 6, 2019 15:51:48 GMT
Thanks for that, I was clueless because the only 4 ways were 3 pole. I have no idea whet they would work for if you only need 2 for stereo. I have zero understanding of electronics terminology.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 18:37:29 GMT
You could get a 3 or 4 pole, but just use the 2. Lorlin is one manufacturer. Feels somewhat lightweight.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 20:16:01 GMT
Elma switches are good
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 6, 2019 21:35:35 GMT
They look a cut above. I’d already ordered one of the black and grey jobbies though.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 8, 2019 2:28:34 GMT
I tried the Micromega Duo with the Alpha 5 CD and it certainly improved a lot on the Arcam internal DAC. Still nowhere near good enough though, so it will be getting the heave-ho. I just don’t like a thing about it. Definitely my last ever Arcam purchase, even at a fiver. If you can pay £5 for a piece of kit and still be disappointed, it has to be shite. It had to happen once I’d vowed no more Arcam: Bought an Arcam Alpha Plus off PFM! I really enjoyed my old one. They aren’t the most detailed player out there for sure, but it was always fun to listen to. I will only be using it for headphone listening, so not much more needed. Cheap at £30 I think. Seller was a great guy to deal with too. Also got my oak speaker stands too. Very nice although not quite as tall as I wanted and the bases are smaller than I wish. I may add an extra piece of American white oak to the base, about an inch wider all round. It will add another 30mm to the height too, which is what I wanted. The dimensions in the listing included spikes but it didn’t specify that.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 16:54:56 GMT
Hows the TransRotor going, Westie?
S.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 8, 2019 17:26:30 GMT
Hows the TransRotor going, Westie? S. I still need to find the right guy to fix the lid. I will chase it up this week. I’ve got a Project motor pod as a stop gap.Platter size is iidentical so it will run at the right speed. I’m still thinking about an arm but I’m in no hurry. I will get more from looking at it than playing it. Seeing it spinning is mesmerising,
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 8, 2019 17:34:40 GMT
Here’s a pic. It’s a filthy dark day so sorry for the poor light.
|
|
|
Post by macca on Jun 8, 2019 20:24:26 GMT
It all goes well together aesthetically, anyway.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 22:58:24 GMT
Looks pleasing on the eye.
S.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 8, 2019 23:02:41 GMT
Dunno about the deck, but the rest is better than any sound I’ve had before and it also looks gorgeous. I couldn’t go back to ugly kit again, The TransRotor only has to be reasonably good to be a keeper. I don’t spin vinyl much and I’m sure I can wring a decent sound out of it with a good arm and cart. I will probably buy a new OC9 when the time comes. They are the same problem CN now that they were in the late 80s if you shop around, I loved them then and still do.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 23:05:31 GMT
Westie, What is it about the OC9 you like? Just curious.
S.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 9, 2019 0:43:50 GMT
Westie, What is it about the OC9 you like? Just curious. S. Clarity, dynamics. and speed, I guess. It’s got good bass too. It’s pretty much spot on to me.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 14:12:41 GMT
Westie, What is it about the OC9 you like? Just curious. S. Clarity, dynamics. and speed, I guess. It’s got good bass too. It’s pretty much spot on to me. I suppose you can call the OC9 the Naim CDX of cartridges! S.
|
|
Bigman80
Grandmaster
The HiFi Bear/Audioaddicts/Bigbottle Owner
Posts: 16,407
|
Post by Bigman80 on Jun 9, 2019 15:18:01 GMT
Clarity, dynamics. and speed, I guess. It’s got good bass too. It’s pretty much spot on to me. I suppose you can call the OC9 the Naim CDX of cartridges! S. Not. A bad analogy at all I’ve just put the rug Macca loves back in the lounge, Life feels more colourful already!
|
|