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Post by Bigman80 on May 21, 2019 6:30:44 GMT
I’ve done it before and the world didn’t end. As long as you do your best with cartridge alignment you should be fine until you get a permanent solution. Rega arms are fussy about armboard materials IME. Don’t use acrylic or delrin. |
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Post by Bigman80 on May 21, 2019 6:32:38 GMT
Should also have added they seem to be fussy about VTA too, so use shins or a VTA adjuster
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Post by Bigman80 on May 21, 2019 6:33:03 GMT
FFS “shims”. Reckon iPad!
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Post by Bigman80 on May 21, 2019 6:33:55 GMT
FFS FFS....”FECKIN”  |
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Post by antonio on May 21, 2019 6:59:58 GMT
Thanks Westie.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 7:36:09 GMT
The SL-150 II should sound decent enough.
I personally would never use a Rega arm again, they work and produce music, but to me they seem to deaden the sound.
The RB250 and RB300 I had were upgraded a bit and worked OK on my SL-1210, but I was never really happy. I bunged my old Mission 774 on as an experiment and the sound opened right up! It was a dramatic difference.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 21, 2019 8:22:16 GMT
The SL-150 II should sound decent enough. I personally would never use a Rega arm again, they work and produce music, but to me they seem to deaden the sound. The RB250 and RB300 I had were upgraded a bit and worked OK on my SL-1210, but I was never really happy. I bunged my old Mission 774 on as an experiment and the sound opened right up! It was a dramatic difference. As stock I agree. There are things you can do to change it, but it’s not cheap. 1. People think all upgrade counterweights and stubs are equal: IME they aren’t. The OL/Pete Riggle tensioned stubs transform the arm. Others don’t. 2. Then at the very least you need to get rid of the external wiring which is utter Sh#t. If you can’t stretch to an internal rewrite, at least replace the nasty brass tags which tarnish. 3. Finally, don’t take anything for granted with arm boards and mounting. In most cases I find looser is better. The ultimate is the VTAF Teflon from Pete Riggle where the arm is completely unattached and uses two pillars to prevent rotation. They also let you adjust VTA, which seems to adversely affect the Rega arms if it’s wrong. It’s also fussy about decks. Loves a Xerxes, incidentally. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 8:27:58 GMT
A Xerxes tends to sound damn good whatever arm is on it. An old mate had an Ittok on one, that sounded very good with his Koetsu, then a Zeta went on and absolutely blew away the Ittok! That was a lovely combo.
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Post by antonio on May 21, 2019 8:52:38 GMT
My Rega 250 has had J7 mods and an upgraded stub/counterweight purchased on ebay. I do know the holding nut on the 250 should only be finger tight. If I like the deck I don't know which arm I would buy and am not very knowledgeable about setting up tt's.
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Post by macca on May 21, 2019 12:29:46 GMT
That deck with a Rega arm will sound very good indeed. I don't think you will be disappointed.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 21, 2019 19:44:19 GMT
A Xerxes tends to sound damn good whatever arm is on it. An old mate had an Ittok on one, that sounded very good with his Koetsu, then a Zeta went on and absolutely blew away the Ittok! That was a lovely combo. Zeta is still a bit of an unscratched itch for me.. I agree about Xerxes. The only arm that didn’t move me was an SME IV. |
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Post by dsjr on May 28, 2019 11:30:12 GMT
Not sure a Zeta would sound right on the already warm-toned SL150mk2. The Alphason would I suspect and I think that an SME M2-9 would be perfect as the 309 is so expensive (the 309 with detachable headshell always seemed better suited to decks the IV and V weren't so happy with).
I still can't get my head around Rega RB arms being only done up finger tight as current lore goes, as I always found the sound worse and less clear that way. On a Planar deck,it killed it, losing definition and clarity. Having said that, the current RB arms use a three point fixing and the less model's plastic mount may well absorb energy better, especially if you just nip the three screws up gently. Just a thought chaps... Many 80's cartridges are dull as ditch-water IMO, so tightening an RB arm up may *possibly* show these up for what they really are/were.
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Post by antonio on May 29, 2019 14:40:46 GMT
The SL150 has just arrived and is in better condition than I could have hoped for.  All I have done is plug in and press start button, the platter revolves with no problem that I can see. Next step is to put my Rega arm on, maybe later today or tomorrow, and I will keep you updated. |
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Post by dsjr on May 29, 2019 15:03:41 GMT
Assuming it'll fit in the SME slot, it's half an inch longer than a 9" SME or Linn arm. Popular Jelco's and some other Jap arms (not the Grace 707 which is Rega length) are 10" arms, so half an inch or so longer than the SME/Mayware etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:41:46 GMT
The SL150 has just arrived and is in better condition than I could have hoped for. All I have done is plug in and press start button, the platter revolves with no problem that I can see. Next step is to put my Rega arm on, maybe later today or tomorrow, and I will keep you updated. If you need something suitable, Soundsupports do a Rega to SME mounting plate that provides correct geometry. www.soundsupports.com/rega-dept |
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Post by antonio on May 29, 2019 18:15:20 GMT
Thanks for that, although I have already seen it, appears to be the cheapest yet look decent quality. I'm going to try the tt out first, just to see how I get on then maybe look at buying another arm and armboard. Maybe look at a Mission 774 you mentioned earlier.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:47:24 GMT
Thanks for that, although I have already seen it, appears to be the cheapest yet look decent quality. I'm going to try the tt out first, just to see how I get on then maybe look at buying another arm and armboard. Maybe look at a Mission 774 you mentioned earlier. Mission 774 is a no brainer. I regretted selling mine in favour of an Alphasson HRS100. I thought that arm was shite. And NO, it wasn't broken. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:53:39 GMT
Thanks for that, although I have already seen it, appears to be the cheapest yet look decent quality. I'm going to try the tt out first, just to see how I get on then maybe look at buying another arm and armboard. Maybe look at a Mission 774 you mentioned earlier. Mission 774 is a no brainer. I regretted selling mine in favour of an Alphasson HRS100. I thought that arm was shite. And NO, it wasn't broken. 774 works great on Japanese direct drive TT's. |
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Post by Bigman80 on May 29, 2019 20:14:41 GMT
Thanks for that, although I have already seen it, appears to be the cheapest yet look decent quality. I'm going to try the tt out first, just to see how I get on then maybe look at buying another arm and armboard. Maybe look at a Mission 774 you mentioned earlier. Mission 774 is a no brainer. I regretted selling mine in favour of an Alphasson HRS100. I thought that arm was shite. And NO, it wasn't broken. I’ve had probably 8 or 9 Alphasons,Xenon and HR100s in MCS and non MCS versions. I’ve had meh ones and great ones. They do seem to be deck dependent. On the wrong deck they can be a bit “cerebral”. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 6:51:57 GMT
Mission 774 is a no brainer. I regretted selling mine in favour of an Alphasson HRS100. I thought that arm was shite. And NO, it wasn't broken. I’ve had probably 8 or 9 Alphasons,Xenon and HR100s in MCS and non MCS versions. I’ve had meh ones and great ones. They do seem to be deck dependent. On the wrong deck they can be a bit “cerebral”. The one I had was seriously as mint as you could hope for. I paid top price for it too, from Croatia. Looked like it hadn't been out of the box. Listening to it was ok but lacked it the magic of the Mission 774.
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Post by antonio on May 30, 2019 9:24:58 GMT
First problem of the day, the armboard on the tt is too deep for the Rega pillar, so unable to get the retaining nut on. Looks like I will have to get a piece cut off the bottom.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 9:33:25 GMT
First problem of the day, the armboard on the tt is too deep for the Rega pillar, so unable to get the retaining nut on. Looks like I will have to get a piece cut off the bottom. Not sure what you mean, are you talking about the board thickness?. Some photos would be helpful. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 10:14:29 GMT
First problem of the day, the armboard on the tt is too deep for the Rega pillar, so unable to get the retaining nut on. Looks like I will have to get a piece cut off the bottom. Not sure what you mean, are you talking about the board thickness?. Some photos would be helpful. I think there isn't enough thread on the arm pillar to get the nut on as the armboard is too thick
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Post by antonio on May 30, 2019 10:32:36 GMT
That's the problem, the armboard is too thick. I will have to cut a piece off the bottom, and maybe use something like washers in the corners to bring it back to its original depth, unless anyone's got a better suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 10:38:20 GMT
That's the problem, the armboard is too thick. I will have to cut a piece off the bottom, and maybe use something like washers in the corners to bring it back to its original depth, unless anyone's got a better suggestion. Make a new one altogether. Don't ruin the original |
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Post by dsjr on May 30, 2019 11:36:22 GMT
The HR100S ISN'T a pile of Sh#t, but the 774 was tacky, suffered bad rough castings and in all the fist year's production, terribly variable bearings!!! Nobody got the damping right either - they either used too much or none at all! and later exit cables were unsuitable for sprung sub-chassis turntables which killed the arm for us back then. What cartridge did you put on the HR100S Ollie? Hopefully not one of those soggy old Kontrapunkts (I forget which it was, but I believe it was the blue-n-silver bodied one which sounded like soggy thick shite to me (two individual samples on two different decks)*. Last Alphason I heard was on a Gyrodek and it had a re-tipped Decca Export fitted. Sounded absolutely amazing - best I've ever heard a Gyro - and with all the musicality and life you'd ever need from vinyl. * Got to give Ortofon credit for being able to custom-design a 'sound' into their cartridges - or not depending on model. There were still a lot of people twenty years ago yet to be convinced of the superiority of digital and wanted a thick toned 'analogue' sound.  Best of this later balance has to be a better-tipped SPU, which doesn't sound over-ripe and dull as such, but to me, rather stable, solid and 'quiet' up top. |
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Post by savvypaul on May 30, 2019 11:49:03 GMT
The HR100S ISN'T a pile of Sh#t, but the 774 was tacky, suffered bad rough castings and in all the fist year's production, terribly variable bearings!!! Nobody got the damping right either - they either used too much or none at all! and later exit cables were unsuitable for sprung sub-chassis turntables which killed the arm for us back then. What cartridge did you put on the HR100S Ollie? Hopefully not one of those soggy old Kontrapunkts (I forget which it was, but I believe it was the blue-n-silver bodied one which sounded like soggy thick shite to me (two individual samples on two different decks)*. Last Alphason I heard was on a Gyrodek and it had a re-tipped Decca Export fitted. Sounded absolutely amazing - best I've ever heard a Gyro - and with all the musicality and life you'd ever need from vinyl. * Got to give Ortofon credit for being able to custom-design a 'sound' into their cartridges - or not depending on model. There were still a lot of people twenty years ago yet to be convinced of the superiority of digital and wanted a thick toned 'analogue' sound. Best of this later balance has to be a better-tipped SPU, which doesn't sound over-ripe and dull as such, but to me, rather stable, solid and 'quiet' up top. My 'modern' SPU arrives in a few weeks, hopefully. www.hifisound.co.uk/analogue-c49/cartridge-zone-c5/cartridges-mc-c15/spu-synergy-gm-moving-coil-cartridge-and-headshell-p512 |
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Post by antonio on May 30, 2019 14:02:07 GMT
Well done in 'splashing out' Savvy. I've never heard an SPU, but I hope you enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 14:03:45 GMT
The HR100S ISN'T a pile of Sh#t, but the 774 was tacky, suffered bad rough castings and in all the fist year's production, terribly variable bearings!!! Nobody got the damping right either - they either used too much or none at all! and later exit cables were unsuitable for sprung sub-chassis turntables which killed the arm for us back then. What cartridge did you put on the HR100S Ollie? Hopefully not one of those soggy old Kontrapunkts (I forget which it was, but I believe it was the blue-n-silver bodied one which sounded like soggy thick shite to me (two individual samples on two different decks)*. Last Alphason I heard was on a Gyrodek and it had a re-tipped Decca Export fitted. Sounded absolutely amazing - best I've ever heard a Gyro - and with all the musicality and life you'd ever need from vinyl. * Got to give Ortofon credit for being able to custom-design a 'sound' into their cartridges - or not depending on model. There were still a lot of people twenty years ago yet to be convinced of the superiority of digital and wanted a thick toned 'analogue' sound. Best of this later balance has to be a better-tipped SPU, which doesn't sound over-ripe and dull as such, but to me, rather stable, solid and 'quiet' up top. Oh, Dave. Soggy old Kontrapunkt!!! My word, how our opinions differ. Look, if you buy an Alphasson HR100S, listen to it and then compare it to the PMAT1010 I have now, your only logical conclusion is that the Alphasson is shite. I understand this may be difficult to digest but that's the truth of the matter. That was discovered by trying 4 cartridges on that, the Misson 774 and the PMAT1010. 1)AT33PTGII 2)ATART7 3)KONTRAPUNKT B 4)ORTOFON VIENNA The Vienna IS the best cartridge I've ever heard and is possible the best cartridge ortofon have ever made. The Mission 774 I had, had absolutely 0 (Zero) flaws. |
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All I have done is plug in and press start button, the platter revolves with no problem that I can see. Next step is to put my Rega arm on, maybe later today or tomorrow, and I will keep you updated.
Best of this later balance has to be a better-tipped SPU, which doesn't sound over-ripe and dull as such, but to me, rather stable, solid and 'quiet' up top.
