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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:04:16 GMT
The ferreting showed a reduction from 900V/m to 750Vm using a handheld item. I would have thought though, applying some simple deductive logic, one could shield an amp from surrounding fields by constructing a Faraday Cage around it - save yourself a wad of money in the process. Couple of new additions to the PGA line. Prices yet to be announced - (They won't be cheap.).  
Most amps already have a Faraday Cage surrounding them in the shape of a metal chassis and a metal lid.
Not that it makes the smallest difference anyway with regards to EM shielding, as even your 20 quid meter will go off the scale if you wave it around where the mains transformer is located. And while you are about it, wave the meter along the length of the mains cable too and be surprised how much one of them gives off.
Actually, actually, most amps/whatever, DO NOT have a Faraday Cage around them in the shape of having a metal chassis and lid. Most equipment with a metal case will be at earth potential. Connect a Faraday Cage to earth and you render it something other than a Faraday Cage, Sunshine. How a £20 meter would respond would depend on the field strength and it's sensitivity and range. The cost has little significance if it performs it's intended task. I don't think it takes an Einstein to appreciate the fact that any cable/lead connected to a system has the potential to act as an ariel. The point about a meter (£20, or £200), is that it can (according to one maker of magic boxes) give a visual indication that connecting a said magic box, effects field strength around the item it's connected to. Connecting your goldfish bowl or bird cage in place of the magic box might well yield the same or better results. A meter would provide a visual indication. There's really only two questions to ask: does it work? Is it worth the asking price? How they are answered is down to the individual. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:05:58 GMT
Just wave it around an empty room and you'll get similar results. I imagine so. But that's not the point. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:07:16 GMT
Just wave it around an empty room and you'll get similar results. I imagine so. But that's not the point. |
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Post by firebottle on Feb 12, 2019 18:12:32 GMT
I do honestly think some people can't hear what others hear. Oliver does have good ears.
The RTZ is fully encapsulated so would be v difficult to dissemble, even then would you know what materials you are looking at?
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Post by macca on Feb 12, 2019 18:23:11 GMT
I could possibly get them analysed.
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 12, 2019 19:10:41 GMT
I could possibly get them analysed. I wouldn't care to guess about the contents of the Coherent device, but the Entreq and other similar boxes are filled with mineral crystals. Oliver said the box was heavy 
These crystals are not cheap by any means, hence my earlier statement about finding one costing less than £100 being a tough call, even if you built it yourself you would quickly exceed that cost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 19:39:29 GMT
I could possibly get them analysed. I wouldn't care to guess about the contents of the Coherent device, but the Entreq and other similar boxes are filled with mineral crystals. Oliver said the box was heavy
These crystals are not cheap by any means, hence my earlier statement about finding one costing less than £100 being a tough call, even if you built it yourself you would quickly exceed that cost.
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 12, 2019 20:08:22 GMT
I wouldn't care to guess about the contents of the Coherent device, but the Entreq and other similar boxes are filled with mineral crystals. Oliver said the box was heavy
These crystals are not cheap by any means, hence my earlier statement about finding one costing less than £100 being a tough call, even if you built it yourself you would quickly exceed that cost.
Depends. Some mineral crystals are literally dirt cheap. Yes indeed Geoff, but who's to say these same dirt cheap minerals have the right properties?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 20:14:12 GMT
Depends. Some mineral crystals are literally dirt cheap. Yes indeed Geoff, but who's to say these same dirt cheap minerals have the right properties?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 21:08:22 GMT
Think I know what's in the Entreq boxes.
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 12, 2019 21:13:13 GMT
Think I know what's in the Entreq boxes. Tony's wallet? |
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 12, 2019 21:28:03 GMT
Yes indeed Geoff, but who's to say these same dirt cheap minerals have the right properties?
Which would be? I have no idea. If I did, I wouldn't be fannying around reading this tosh on forums, I would be out in the shed making some loot. |
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 12, 2019 21:29:52 GMT
Think I know what's in the Entreq boxes. I have already said it is mineral crystals, so what is your idea? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 21:49:03 GMT
Well Gallium and Germanium might be candidates, as they have certain semi-conductor characteristics if I recall. Selenium and Tellurium could also be of interest.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 12, 2019 22:03:10 GMT
Whatever is in the more expensive ones, the truth will out.
At some point, somebody is gonna snap up a used one at a much lower price and crack it open. If you’re the maker/seller and you’ve made claims about the item costing a lot and that turn out to be a porkies, you might not come out of it smelling of roses.
If I ever got my hands on a used one, I can’t see any reason why not to open it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:30:44 GMT
Think I know what's in the Entreq boxes. I have already said it is mineral crystals, so what is your idea? Marconite |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:36:08 GMT
I have already said it is mineral crystals, so what is your idea? Marconite That is a trade name I believe. I don't know what the actual mineral or compound may be. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:37:45 GMT
That is a trade name I believe. I don't know what the actual mineral or compound may be. Me neither but I'm sure that somewhere, it's written down. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:41:02 GMT
Marconite is a synthetic material.
Not just a trade name as such.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 12, 2019 22:42:20 GMT
Marconite is a synthetic material. Not just a trade name as such. Well I’ve already seen it as cheap as £33 for 25 kilos. Looks like a sub £50 box is possible let alone sub £100. So the answer to what’s in the boxes could be marconite? If so, there’s inevitably one other key ingredient......a massive fecking rake off for the peddlers. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:43:14 GMT
Marconite is a synthetic material. Not just a trade name as such. Well I’ve a,ready seen it as cheap as £33 for 25 kilos. Looks like a sub £50 box is possible let alone sub £100. Can't forget about the super important and Impressive cables. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:45:36 GMT
Marconite is a synthetic material. Not just a trade name as such. Well I’ve already seen it as cheap as £33 for 25 kilos. Looks like a sub £50 box is possible let alone sub £100. So the answer to what’s in the boxes could be marconite? If so, there’s inevitably one other key ingredient......a massive fecking rake off for the peddlers. Planning a 25kg grounding box then Andrew?  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 12, 2019 22:46:22 GMT
Cables that arent even connected to signal, only ground. Given that these cables are meant to carry the highest frequencies, surely a microwave cable like RG316 at £1 a meter would do the job.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 12, 2019 22:52:59 GMT
Well I’ve already seen it as cheap as £33 for 25 kilos. Looks like a sub £50 box is possible let alone sub £100. So the answer to what’s in the boxes could be marconite? If so, there’s inevitably one other key ingredient......a massive fecking rake off for the peddlers. Planning a 25kg grounding box then Andrew? Imagine if you made 5 of these boxes with 5 kilos of the stuff inside. Say a tenner each for boxes. Another tenner for the other bits and 6.60 worth of Marconite. How much would you charge?well, £250 seems to be a rough guide for “budget” ones, which won’t have 5 kilos of filler. So suddenly you’re making 1000% profit and offering the best perceived value..... For a passive component that even the makers don’t understand. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 23:31:30 GMT
Planning a 25kg grounding box then Andrew? Imagine if you made 5 of these boxes with 5 kilos of the stuff inside. Say a tenner each for boxes. Another tenner for the other bits and 6.60 worth of Marconite. How much would you charge?well, £250 seems to be a rough guide for “budget” ones, which won’t have 5 kilos of filler. So suddenly you’re making 1000% profit and offering the best perceived value..... For a passive component that even the makers don’t understand. That's nothing other than profiteering. If it proves that this Marconite IS the material, I'm afraid I'll be very disappointed in the maker. However, we are still theorising, so I've found the same binding posts used on the RTZ, they are €3 each. There's three on the little one. The case is £15 from China although I'm told the case is made in GB. The feet are ravioli pads. £45. 45 F@cking quid for absorption feet on a grounding box. I'm shaking my head. Any way, that's.........£69ish so far. Marconite at £33 for 25kg. I need 1.5kg to be on the safe side. So that's.... £2 🤨 I'm up to £71 Oh, copper to connect the binding posts and marconite together. Let's say a 3mm thick sheet, 6" Square..... £10 from China. That's £81. If this IS the material used, and I can make this for £81, I'll sell them for £200 😆😆 |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 12, 2019 23:38:06 GMT
Imagine if you made 5 of these boxes with 5 kilos of the stuff inside. Say a tenner each for boxes. Another tenner for the other bits and 6.60 worth of Marconite. How much would you charge?well, £250 seems to be a rough guide for “budget” ones, which won’t have 5 kilos of filler. So suddenly you’re making 1000% profit and offering the best perceived value..... For a passive component that even the makers don’t understand. That's nothing other than profiteering. If it proves that this Marconite IS the material, I'm afraid I'll be very disappointed in the maker. However, we are still theorising, so I've found the same binding posts used on the RTZ, they are €3 each. There's three on the little one. The case is £15 from China although I'm told the case is made in GB. The feet are ravioli pads. £45. 45 F@cking quid for absorption feet on a grounding box. I'm shaking my head. Any way, that's.........£69ish so far. Marconite at £33 for 25kg. I need 1.5kg to be on the safe side. So that's.... £2 🤨 I'm up to £71 Oh, copper to connect the binding posts and marconite together. Let's say a 3mm thick sheet, 6" Square..... £10 from China. That's £81. If this IS the material used, and I can make this for £81, I'll sell them for £200 😆😆 Call me reckless...but I reckon you could probably manage without the Black Ravioli feet. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 23:39:00 GMT
That's nothing other than profiteering. If it proves that this Marconite IS the material, I'm afraid I'll be very disappointed in the maker. However, we are still theorising, so I've found the same binding posts used on the RTZ, they are €3 each. There's three on the little one. The case is £15 from China although I'm told the case is made in GB. The feet are ravioli pads. £45. 45 F@cking quid for absorption feet on a grounding box. I'm shaking my head. Any way, that's.........£69ish so far. Marconite at £33 for 25kg. I need 1.5kg to be on the safe side. So that's.... £2 🤨 I'm up to £71 Oh, copper to connect the binding posts and marconite together. Let's say a 3mm thick sheet, 6" Square..... £10 from China. That's £81. If this IS the material used, and I can make this for £81, I'll sell them for £200 😆😆 Call me reckless...but I reckon you could probably manage without the Black Ravioli feet. Lmao, I'd definitely manage. What madness is this! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 12, 2019 23:41:57 GMT
That's nothing other than profiteering. If it proves that this Marconite IS the material, I'm afraid I'll be very disappointed in the maker. However, we are still theorising, so I've found the same binding posts used on the RTZ, they are €3 each. There's three on the little one. The case is £15 from China although I'm told the case is made in GB. The feet are ravioli pads. £45. 45 F@cking quid for absorption feet on a grounding box. I'm shaking my head. Any way, that's.........£69ish so far. Marconite at £33 for 25kg. I need 1.5kg to be on the safe side. So that's.... £2 🤨 I'm up to £71 Oh, copper to connect the binding posts and marconite together. Let's say a 3mm thick sheet, 6" Square..... £10 from China. That's £81. If this IS the material used, and I can make this for £81, I'll sell them for £200 😆😆 Call me reckless...but I reckon you could probably manage without the Black Ravioli feet. I’ve spent many hours searching to try and identify what’s in Black Ravioli. I reckon it works but I hate the price and I suspect another giant rip off. I’d love to see folk get to try it for a sensible price. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 12, 2019 23:45:44 GMT
Here's a wooden grounding box for £285. Could double up as an urn for a deceased loved one's ashes, too.... audio grounding box |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 12, 2019 23:52:39 GMT
Cheapest I’ve seen was a Douk Audio for £150 IIRC.
Even if they work, the effect is small as far as I can gather. I’d rather do without it if it means having another random box and wires in my room.
I know Black Ravioli is far too expensive but you have to wonder what improvement you’d get if you simply placed those BR feet under your CD player and chucked the grounding box away.
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