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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 26, 2018 21:21:58 GMT
I’m tempted to think few if any of my purchases were a mistake because they have taught me so much. Likewise getting rid of things mistakenly has allowed me to buy and try other stuff. Still, I think there is good to be had from admitting selling good stuff and buying crap, so here goes....
Mistake ever buying
Philips CD840 new. Lashings of distortion and no drive whatsoever Heybrook HB1. Hardest mkdband this side of chalk across a blackboard. Kelvin Labs Absolute Zero pre and M30 monos. Insipid and boring beyond comprehension. Roksan Caspian integrated. Not a hifi product in any recognisable sense. Abrasive and crude.
Mistake Selling
Spica Angelus. If I ever get another shot, I won’t miss. Linn Isobariks. Objects of desire. Nuff said. Townshend Glastonbury II. Special and mint with boxes. Krell KSA50. End game amp. Almost irreplaceable. Big regret. Analogue Works Turntable 1. Bought new and it was beautiful. Still sold. Why? Exposure 3 and 4. Wonderful rare and early amps sold for peanuts.
Mistake not buying
Exposure full tri-amp active system with Isobariks for £999! Need I say more Source turntable. Never likely to get another shot. Roksan TMS for £1200. Try getting another for that price. Krell KAS for £2500. Oh man!
What about you guys?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 21:36:12 GMT
Should have kept my Decca London Export Grey. For some reason, it was the best sounding Mk.V I've heard.
And I shouldn't have sold my Forte Model 2 pre-amp. It didn't cost a fortune, but the sound quality was pretty special.
Wish I still had my last pair of Tannoy Eatons too. There was something 'just right' about them.
Worst thing I ever bought was my first amp, an Amstrad 8000 Mk.II. That's what comes of being young, skint and clueless. You live and learn (hopefully).
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Post by antonio on Aug 27, 2018 5:13:32 GMT
Mistakes:- Not buying a Amazon Turntable One in mint condition £1200 It was sold on a bids re-listing for £970.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 5:13:54 GMT
As i very rarely sell anything i dont regret passing anything on.
Regret buying ? My lp12 only cost me £150 with lingo 1 back in 2001 so i dont regret buying it. But maybe i regret most of the upgrades i bought for it. Rubikon sub chassis, naim aro, lyra argo. Should have realised that the upgrade path was gonna cost me dearly and be never ending. Should have bought a DD.
Naim NAC112. What a pile of shite. Bought it from my dealer to go with a nap140. Awful thing that didn't last long. Nac 72 easily bettered it to my ears and looking back at how i have moved forward since the nac72 then it makes the memory of the 112 even worse.
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Post by antonio on Aug 27, 2018 5:15:03 GMT
Missing out on a Roksan TMS for £1200 Westie.
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Post by antonio on Aug 27, 2018 5:18:38 GMT
Morning Stu.You'll get your money back on that LP12, and I've got to ask you, have you picked up th PT from Les?
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 27, 2018 5:25:02 GMT
Missing out on a Roksan TMS for £1200 Westie. From a dealer too! And I was stood in front of it with money to buy. Only one word for it: Plonker!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 6:25:48 GMT
Hi Antonio,
Hope you are all good. Yes lp12 should sell easily, especially the aro. No have not picked up pt1 yet. Just dont seem to have had the time. Les is being very patient
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Post by dsjr on Aug 27, 2018 8:43:43 GMT
Mistakes - selling the ATC's to move in with herself when we married :cry:
All but giving the Mentor deck away when the Decca broke (like they do) and I couldn't afford something decent to replace it.
I kinda miss the ARC SP14, as it's basically a good sounding preamp, albeit with cachet, foo caps and bling on it to make it desirable to the wealthy.
Not buying some ATC50ASL's when I could afford them - the 'BC1 on steroids' shape is more manageable domestically.
I should have kept the Lustraphone LP100 I had. love sounding amp with distinctive for the times styling.
Selling the krell KSA50S. I HAD to and knew I'd never be able to fully do it justice. In this old system, my 45+ year old Crown D-150 sounds the same as it has an easy load to drive...
Gear mistakes - too many to mention and I forget I did my share of box swapping in my early days in the industry -
let's see - Rogers HG88 (this one was shagged)
Snell E II's - another boomy ugh! with harshness at the crossover too in a smaller room
Linn LK280 - took six months to even begin to lose the grainy sound I hear in related LK100's and early Klouts too (these latter got much better I believe as they went on) and the sound was forced as through a toothpaste tube
Tube Technology genesis Mono valve amps, which caned their quad of EL34's to death in a year - I had the choice of these or EAR509's and wish I'd bought the latter looking back.
Not buying a crown DC300A when they were cheap twenty odd years ago when studios were clearing out and going fully active with their monitors... I may have one coming as part of a deal, but it's up in the air presently...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 10:16:01 GMT
Mistakes - selling the ATC's to move in with herself when we married :cry: All but giving the Mentor deck away when the Decca broke (like they do) and I couldn't afford something decent to replace it. I kinda miss the ARC SP14, as it's basically a good sounding preamp, albeit with cachet, foo caps and bling on it to make it desirable to the wealthy. Not buying some ATC50ASL's when I could afford them - the 'BC1 on steroids' shape is more manageable domestically. I should have kept the Lustraphone LP100 I had. love sounding amp with distinctive for the times styling.Selling the krell KSA50S. I HAD to and knew I'd never be able to fully do it justice. In this old system, my 45+ year old Crown D-150 sounds the same as it has an easy load to drive... Gear mistakes - too many to mention and I forget I did my share of box swapping in my early days in the industry - let's see - Rogers HG88 (this one was shagged) Snell E II's - another boomy ugh! with harshness at the crossover too in a smaller room Linn LK280 - took six months to even begin to lose the grainy sound I hear in related LK100's and early Klouts too (these latter got much better I believe as they went on) and the sound was forced as through a toothpaste tube Tube Technology genesis Mono valve amps, which caned their quad of EL34's to death in a year - I had the choice of these or EAR509's and wish I'd bought the latter looking back. Not buying a crown DC300A when they were cheap twenty odd years ago when studios were clearing out and going fully active with their monitors... I may have one coming as part of a deal, but it's up in the air presently... There won't be many here who remember the Lustraphone LP100 Dave.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 27, 2018 11:02:38 GMT
The LK100 is a horrible amp to my ears. Grainy is a good description,. Paired with kabers, it’s closer to being a weapon than a piece of hifi
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Post by dsjr on Aug 27, 2018 12:07:52 GMT
Currently fighting an LK1 logic board into working condition to find out how the phono stage currently is as a cheaper option, I've been reading up a lot about geriatric failing Lk1's, the three Lk2 models and how they're mostly heat damaged now after thirty years - and also how apparently, the Lk2-80 design evolved into the smaller Lk100 and larger Klout. Even when new-ish, the Lk100's weren't a pleasant listen (the Lk140 is the good general one imo with a much cleaner sound - wonderful for their actives...).
Here I go again.....
Another mistake - replacing the ATC preamp with the Bryston BP25. Not that the latter is bad - far from it, but it needs 12 hours powered to fully sweeten and stabilise, which the former preamp didn't. I should have left it on 24/7 bearing in mind the 20 year warranty it had, but, but, but.... The top ATC preamp to me sounded a bit like a Naim 82 needing a Supercap - pleasant and musical, but promising so much more - possibly...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 13:28:24 GMT
Here we go again.....👬
MR FUKIN KNOW IT ALL........WE ARE ALL PLEBS AND OUR VIEWS SIMPLY CANNOT COUNT.
DAVE....✋
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 13:30:50 GMT
almost everything..those 90's mission speakers given a 5 star rating at the top then those monitor audio junk.. imho most hifi is cack...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 13:32:51 GMT
Snore fest dave.......ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 13:39:32 GMT
Buying Mistake:
Rega Ela. Early model (full fluted) fitted with Royd Drivers. Overly harsh and just plain fucking nasty. Royd Sapphire. Same description like above. NVA Cubbette. Watered down version like above. NVA 'Jammy Special' Headphone amp. Easily reeks diminishing returns to my ears. Aune X7S HiFi Headphone Amplifier. The thing was really that bland sounding, it made be feel suicidal. Sugden Masterclass HA-4 Headphone amp. Shockingly overpriced for what it is. Go Google the internal pics.
Selling Mistake:
Audio Innovation S500. Spendor S3/5R. Leak Stereo 20. Musical Fidelity A1. Was a nicely serviced example and the real deal. Sugden A21a. The many NVA AP10H's I've had. AKG K701. Sennheiser HD600. Acoustic Energy AE1. Wonderfully clean sounding speakers. But can be a touch clinical at times though. Alchemist Karken. Exposure X. Cyrus 8VS2/PSU. Audio Note AN-J.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 16:35:40 GMT
My biggest mistake was getting involved with Hi-Hi in the first place. Just think, I could have led a normal life and not spent forty years obsessing and being broke . Mind you knowing me, it would have been something else, maybe cars or bikes or photography (been there with those) or fishing or stamp collecting or antiques........or even following a football team around the country, hmm, maybe not. I hate football.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 27, 2018 17:34:41 GMT
Currently fighting an LK1 logic board into working condition to find out how the phono stage currently is as a cheaper option, I've been reading up a lot about geriatric failing Lk1's, the three Lk2 models and how they're mostly heat damaged now after thirty years - and also how apparently, the Lk2-80 design evolved into the smaller Lk100 and larger Klout. Even when new-ish, the Lk100's weren't a pleasant listen (the Lk140 is the good general one imo with a much cleaner sound - wonderful for their actives...). Here I go again..... Another mistake - replacing the ATC preamp with the Bryston BP25. Not that the latter is bad - far from it, but it needs 12 hours powered to fully sweeten and stabilise, which the former preamp didn't. I should have left it on 24/7 bearing in mind the 20 year warranty it had, but, but, but.... The top ATC preamp to me sounded a bit like a Naim 82 needing a Supercap - pleasant and musical, but promising so much more - possibly... My mate just picked up an LK1/280 and remote. £50 the lot inc cables and all working perfectly. It can still be done
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 18:13:52 GMT
Currently fighting an LK1 logic board into working condition to find out how the phono stage currently is as a cheaper option, I've been reading up a lot about geriatric failing Lk1's, the three Lk2 models and how they're mostly heat damaged now after thirty years - and also how apparently, the Lk2-80 design evolved into the smaller Lk100 and larger Klout. Even when new-ish, the Lk100's weren't a pleasant listen (the Lk140 is the good general one imo with a much cleaner sound - wonderful for their actives...). Here I go again..... Another mistake - replacing the ATC preamp with the Bryston BP25. Not that the latter is bad - far from it, but it needs 12 hours powered to fully sweeten and stabilise, which the former preamp didn't. I should have left it on 24/7 bearing in mind the 20 year warranty it had, but, but, but.... The top ATC preamp to me sounded a bit like a Naim 82 needing a Supercap - pleasant and musical, but promising so much more - possibly... My mate just picked up an LK1/280 and remote. £50 the lot inc cables and all working perfectly. It can still be done Holy F#ck! S.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 27, 2018 18:37:58 GMT
Where - how?
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 28, 2018 5:10:37 GMT
He has loads of hifi mates and acquaintances. Apparently he was offered it for free and volunteered the £50.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 7:24:39 GMT
A mate sold me his lp12 and lingo 1 for £150 back in 2001. His wife was in control of finances and he didn't want her to know about the sale so he could spend the cash on what ever he wanted. It was well cheap and I bit his hand off. I had never heard a 12 but knew of its reputation.
A few years later he was clearing out his old bedroom at his mums and found his old Naim nait 2 and a pair of arcam speakers. Decided to give them to me. Result. Not that I like the nait 2 very much but the speakers are good.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 28, 2018 7:41:05 GMT
I'm hoping the Lk1 wasn't a bad mistake. Darran at Class A doesn't' want to know if the logic board is contaminated by a long leaking battery. Others I've seen in the past have burned out main boards where years of 24/7 operation have cooked the boards. Effin' overdone band limited design, running before they could walk. We'll see if the caps I have coming are enough to fix it. Horror stories on cramped overheating Lk2's as well - all versions. Linn really ought to have a small stock of these boards to keep them going, as it's their fault they burn out due to the recommendation for permanent powering.
Were caps so bad in the 80's and early 90's that things like Lingo's need re-capping now with claimed sonic improvements, or were Quad, Linn and Naim using throttled voltage ones that wear out through stress and over-heating? NVA isn't the only one that claims not to need cap replacements over decades and many Japanese amps of the 70's have lasted decades without serious work being needed... My twenty year old HH pro amp was used 24/7 in an editing suite and the supply caps are fine, the amp isn't running oddly with driftng bias levels and the only sign of years of use is iffy now unavailable Noble attenuators which were very hard used. I replaced some of the axial caps in the main board with Nichicon FG types and 'thought' the sound a little cleaner, but it's a very close call here really and none of them were bulging or leaking at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 7:56:11 GMT
Do what I do and don't have cases on them. Lots of ventilation can only be a good thing Just don't spill your tea in there
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Post by dsjr on Aug 28, 2018 8:24:01 GMT
This thing is a project, but it'll be an expensive one if I can't get the remote/logic board to work the thing. I was glad to upgrade from my last one thirty years ago (Nak CA7 first and then an ARC SP14 which was so much better then - and it was a huge step up to Croft levels of preamp fidelity (musicality and atmosphere, which no Linn or Naim preamp had then until the silly-money 52 came along), which shows just how good and inexpensive some of Glenn's designs were in the early nineties compared to everything else...), but peeps here kept saying how the LK1 makes for a good very cheap MC phono stage, so I've already made up some cables from the tape record outs to try (Van Damme pro patch as the light sound should suit here) and I have a pair of three pole female XLR's too, to try the standard pre outs to confirm my old memories (to either eat humble pie or tell you lot I was right all along!). These preamps, despite their complexity inside, didn't need 24/7 operation, but in the late 80's I remember we had a very hot Summer period and I feared for the internals as my LK1 case got almost too hot to touch. Most days it was warm. A few slits on the top may well have helped, but the lack of dust inside this one was nice to see and only the battery area of the logic board looks sub-par visually - oh, and I needed to clean the button contacts on the board as these had tarnished Come back NVA P20, all is forgiven
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 8:32:46 GMT
As I have no cases on anything they do get dusty. Simple solution - get the leaf blower out and give them a good blowing off. You could always fit a quiet fan in there running from a low dc voltage My ap20 is a gem. I am never getting shot of it
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Post by dsjr on Aug 28, 2018 9:48:21 GMT
The LK1 isn't like the Krell power amp which you could cook eggs on if not careful (my Quad 405-2 got this hot driving passive ATC 20's, but I digress).
In normal climate and use, the Lk1 runs 'warm' and over a several hour session, it's benign. It's 24/7 in a confined situation during a hot summer that problems could occur. Mine's been stored unused and this is why the leaky battery went unchecked...
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Post by dsjr on Aug 28, 2018 9:56:17 GMT
Another MAJOR buying mistake for me - Wilson Benesch ACT 1's!!!!
I was looking to get a job with them but they took on a young chap from Unilet instead and he lasted but a few weeks... There was a pair of ACT 1's ex-dem that Grahams had tried and fitted with the then new Tactic drivers (expensive open rear basket frames) and I bought these. These things seemed to get it all wrong musically, but ok in a in a 'HiFi' sense - beautifully made artistically designed cabs (widely copied since) with ample internal bracing but the inevitable 60hz organ pipe bass sound that tall slim column speakers can exhibit, the upper mids have a seriously nasty peak (shown in many WB models) which gave a cold and hard vocal reproduction only smothered by soft toned older fashioned Class A amps, silver plated wiring to spice up the highs and a one-note tinsel-top to top it all off.
Tragedy was they looked so good in our then lounge. I didn't lose anything when selling them on, but such a shame the sound didn't match the looks and finish...
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Post by macca on Aug 28, 2018 12:29:17 GMT
Can't think of anything I've really regretted buying except for a Cambridge 840C CD player that was very disappointing given the cost and the build quality. It was chock full of expensive capacitors. Or maybe it was just not to my taste, as I had no problem selling it on.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 28, 2018 18:52:57 GMT
Can't think of anything I've really regretted buying except for a Cambridge 840C CD player that was very disappointing given the cost and the build quality. It was chock full of expensive capacitors. Or maybe it was just not to my taste, as I had no problem selling it on. Not my thing either. I thought the Cambridge amps and CD players of the generation were horrible things visually and sonically. I still have an aversion towards the brand I’m afraid.
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