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Post by stevew on Mar 30, 2023 11:05:13 GMT
You know.. sometimes I really do feel like the Mayor of Simpleton. I know what you mean Steve . . . BUT, after trawling through the threads again (and also having google open next to them, which was a big help for me), I think I'm getting a handle on the basic concepts. The language used is usually just in reference to the protocals used and the different outputs available, that along with impedance matching for the equipment to 'match' and you're most of the way there I think. (Assuming that's what you were talking about??). Yeah.. there are so many tunnels to this rabbit hole that I start at each one wondering what on earth? So firstly what the hell do they do? Then there is the ocxo are cack… no it’s amazing. You need a 50 hz thingy, not a 75. This one has GPS.. . Really? Why? What has that got to do with it? It’s me, I know. |
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Post by optical on Mar 30, 2023 11:14:47 GMT
I was reading the other day that adding some clocks into the signal chain actually serves to increase 'attenuate' the signal, which in turn can be audibly pleasing but does not actually make the signal any 'cleaner' or 'more accurate', quite the opposite in fact. So a clock isn't a clock isn't a clock after all . . . . or something like that. Especially when it is applied in a digital audio context. As well as that I was reading how an externally applied re-clocking signal doesn't necessarily 'bypass' the devices internal clock either, which I found surprising, so I'm wondering if it providing the internal clock with a signal that is easier for it to decipher and therefore less 'load/work' being done by the internal clock would be a good thing? Anyway . . . rabbit hole is getting deeper by the minute . . . Chris
You need to look at what section of the serial data signal you are looking at and wherer it is going and what affect is is going to have on the end PLL/Synthetic clock/Dac chip
The reference 10Mhz clock are basically subsituting the extracted word clock portion of the incoming data stream and delivering a far more accurate timing pulse from which the bit clock & audio data can aligned, the difference between the theorectical arrive time Vs real world arrival time is the phase noise or Jitter.
So in a normal set up the word clock portion is extracted and use to 'time aligh' the bit & audio data as close as possible, by using a very high quality external reference pulse this is reducing the timing errors.
With the Mutec MC3+ you are actually (if using the wc output and inputs as well) getting double bubble, not only are you reclocking the incoming AES/USB/SPDIF audio data stream with its smart clock PLL design whioch proves very benefical as alot of you chaps know, BUT adding a 10Mhz reference heightens this further because in essence you are master slave clocking the already reclocked incoming TDME signal.
What the result is a much more closely aligned incoming serial data stream that the dac's internal clock/PLL handles the same just with much less timing aligment errors, think of it of running your car on 6 star petrol, it will run much smoother, pull away cleaner, driver much more responsively and enjoyable while producing less emmissions due to the improved ignition advance the ecu can dial in because the octane rating improvment.
I am currently working on a new clock design which will be able to accept a much wider range of imcoming frequences (more on that later)
But just as a side bar Merging Technologies master clock freqeuncy is 625Khz for their own dante enablaled network players.
Personally I run a pair opf MC3's in series with all of the toys on board, ultra low noise psu, massive power bank, all matching ultra low impedance cabling and connectors power side, full internally upgraded MC3's, top cabling all the way throung, full vibration isolated, rf sinks on top of the units and master grounding system. Slaved to big Mutec SE-120 which has been totally reworked inside, its near the very limot of the phase noise analyser we have its that accurate. We also have recently accquired an ex-university Caesium standard, with atomic clocks its purely about long term accuracy and the loss in 0.00ppb (parts per billion) the half life of Rhobidum is 50K years lol so not really an issue for us lot 
Yes you may feel its bit OTT, but I
If you have the means and the curiosity to explore the above, then why not Tony. Keep it up I say. |
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Post by misterc on Mar 30, 2023 11:29:48 GMT
Yeah.. there are so many tunnels to this rabbit hole that I start at each one wondering what on earth? So firstly what the hell do they do? Then there is the ocxo are cack… no it’s amazing. You need a 50 hz thingy, not a 75. This one has GPS.. . Really? Why? What has that got to do with it? It’s me, I know. Steve
All valid questions
Simple answers, a correctly impliented oxco or (double oven 85C as we use) is generally more stable in its operation it requires usually two suppiles one for the clock circuit the other for oven/heater section.
the vast majority of clocks are 50 Ohm outputs because thery are not designed for broadcast or audio work
GPS clocks constantly use an updated from satellites to trim the clocks performance to the satellite networks timing grid (its very accurate!) this wasn't designed as an audio clock but I felt because of its sensible cost and robust performance it would work well for thise guys not abnle to spring for a dedicated audio master clock.
So far in the last six years over 100 customers are using the Bodnar clock with a psu very satisfactorily
We have many, many clocks here from the same ali express to custom built specific application clocks they all work to varying degrees and situations.
You could try an after dark clock they are popular on a few forums just a sensibly priced impedence matching device required
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Post by bencat on Mar 30, 2023 13:04:40 GMT
Okay a bit of a surprise the cheap get me going 50 ohm cable from Pro Audio arrived . The better one from Pickerings will be some time yet . So now I had the gear to get things fixed up to get the impedance fix done . Opening the Mutec and spotting the link needing moving was okay but mine has metal box sort of around it which makes it fiddly to change . Much to my surprise with just a pair of long nose pliers and a little patience I did it . Everything back and screwed in place . Then try and set up the LB Clock with two outputs to stop the lights flashing on output 2 total fail on this could not get the settings to stick so leave it alone . Everything assembled plug it all back in with 50 ohm cable and 50 ohm through terminal connector . Switch on and hold your breath , nothing goes pop and all lights are goingt through the testing of set up routines . And breath . That unmistakable pop of the Mutec getting ready to connect and music comes out . Still sounds great , is it better well not too sure audio memory is fickle but it is not any worse that is certain . All the solid imaging and more realistic presentation is still very much present . The LB Clock works and for the less technically gifted is an easy solution . I am going to take a break now and leave things till the better bnc cable turns up . Will it make a difference ? Probably not but I will have real peace of mind knowing that it is correct and as good as I am prepared to pay at this moment .
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Post by bencat on Mar 30, 2023 13:33:34 GMT
Ahh well you know my last post , well it might have been a bit quick . Been listening for about thirty minutes now and things have settled down a bit . Now I am going to be honest I can not say with any certainty which parts have good better and it nothing as major as when I put the LB Clock in but things do sound better . Suddenly on a track you will really notice the double bass , or the saxophone tone and think never realised how good that was till now . Voices sound less diffuse more like coming from a real throat . See I suck at this but this is just more and better music not just a light shined on a part of the spectrum everything just sounds better and hangs together as a group of mix .
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Post by bencat on Apr 3, 2023 13:25:05 GMT
Well I am sure many are not that bothered and tired of all this clock business but I thought I would give a further update . I now have the LB Clock with 50 ohm impedance correction in place . It has been working since last week and I have listened to it every day since it was installed . At some stage the cheap 50 ohm pro cable I bought will be replaced by a fully spec hand built 50 ohm cable with 50 ohm bnc plugs attached but that is most likely to be just cherry on the cake stuff for full peace of mind . I am still saying that the difference of adding the external clock is just very noticeable . Everything is still sounding better sorted in soundstage timbre of voices and instruments and this one is difficult because it is a very personal thing but I hear better flow and tempo to the music . Best I can come up with is the difference between a really to flight rhythm section laying down a very good groove and a new bands rhythm section doing the same thing . Both will be playing the same thing but one will sound tight and have a groove the other may not . Sound group and ensemble sounds are more together and sound like they meant to sound this way rather than just messing about . I know not the easiest to describe or help others to hear the effect but it all comes through as being believable and real . I would still say to anyone of you can use an external clock then get to hear one , borrow one or invite someone round who has one but you do need to hear this .
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Post by pete on Apr 3, 2023 13:59:22 GMT
Well I am sure many are not that bothered and tired of all this clock business but I thought I would give a further update . I now have the LB Clock with 50 ohm impedance correction in place . It has been working since last week and I have listened to it every day since it was installed . At some stage the cheap 50 ohm pro cable I bought will be replaced by a fully spec hand built 50 ohm cable with 50 ohm bnc plugs attached but that is most likely to be just cherry on the cake stuff for full peace of mind . I am still saying that the difference of adding the external clock is just very noticeable . Everything is still sounding better sorted in soundstage timbre of voices and instruments and this one is difficult because it is a very personal thing but I hear better flow and tempo to the music . Best I can come up with is the difference between a really to flight rhythm section laying down a very good groove and a new bands rhythm section doing the same thing . Both will be playing the same thing but one will sound tight and have a groove the other may not . Sound group and ensemble sounds are more together and sound like they meant to sound this way rather than just messing about . I know not the easiest to describe or help others to hear the effect but it all comes through as being believable and real . I would still say to anyone of you can use an external clock then get to hear one , borrow one or invite someone round who has one but you do need to hear this . I’m interested in this, 😀great to hear you are getting good results. |
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Post by stevew on Apr 3, 2023 14:04:34 GMT
Well I am sure many are not that bothered and tired of all this clock business but I thought I would give a further update . I now have the LB Clock with 50 ohm impedance correction in place . It has been working since last week and I have listened to it every day since it was installed . At some stage the cheap 50 ohm pro cable I bought will be replaced by a fully spec hand built 50 ohm cable with 50 ohm bnc plugs attached but that is most likely to be just cherry on the cake stuff for full peace of mind . I am still saying that the difference of adding the external clock is just very noticeable . Everything is still sounding better sorted in soundstage timbre of voices and instruments and this one is difficult because it is a very personal thing but I hear better flow and tempo to the music . Best I can come up with is the difference between a really to flight rhythm section laying down a very good groove and a new bands rhythm section doing the same thing . Both will be playing the same thing but one will sound tight and have a groove the other may not . Sound group and ensemble sounds are more together and sound like they meant to sound this way rather than just messing about . I know not the easiest to describe or help others to hear the effect but it all comes through as being believable and real . I would still say to anyone of you can use an external clock then get to hear one , borrow one or invite someone round who has one but you do need to hear this . ….and I’m interested too! This is definitely on my ‘to do’ list along with amending my Mutec to take a linear power supply. Well done for your initiative along with Alan getting this particular ball rolling. |
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Post by antonio on Apr 3, 2023 14:38:03 GMT
bencat So you've got a Mutec with separate LPS, and now this LB clock + LPS? How would this compare to simply buying a better dac? not only that you wouldn't have to house all those boxes, connecting cables and power cables. Sorry to appear sceptical, but I wouldn't want all those extra boxes.
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Post by optical on Apr 3, 2023 14:45:03 GMT
bencat So you've got a Mutec with separate LPS, and now this LB clock + LPS? How would this compare to simply buying a better dac? not only that you wouldn't have to house all those boxes, connecting cables and power cables. Sorry to appear sceptical, but I wouldn't want all those extra boxes. I get that Dave, extra boxes can be a PITA especially when providing more power supplies for said boxes, further increasing the box count potentially. . . . BUT . . . Just the addition of a £15 clock lifted everything for me too (okay Andrew's was a bit more than that but it's still cheap-ish) . . . the change was not subtle and although you can't equate the price exactly to a DAC upgrade, the equivalent lift in SQ would be in the hundreds if not thousands . . . so a few extra boxes is a tiny price to pay, in my opinion, for the jump in perceived sound quality . . . . |
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Post by antonio on Apr 3, 2023 15:12:59 GMT
optical Is the £15 clock connecting to your dac, streamer or Mutec?
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Post by bencat on Apr 3, 2023 15:34:24 GMT
The issue for me would be what DAC would offer anything like the increase in sound quality ? I have a dCS Purcell / Delius pair which I know are very old but frankly they spank the bottom of most DAC,s I have heard as yet . I might well be looking at £6 grand plus to get something really better and for me that is just not realistic at this time .
Yes I really do understand that other people look at my cobbled together set up and shake there head with so many additional boxes for the LPSU units (you missed out that I have another LPSU for the LB Clock as well as for the Mutec , oh and there is one for the streamer player as well ) but I hear the difference getting any SMPS supplies out of the chain each time I do it and for each one there is a gain in sound quality . This is what matters to me and I have no interest is getting rid of any boxes just to make things neat and tidy but lose the additional sound quality . We are all different and I do not expect anyone else to do what I do or even like my system . I do it for me and it is playing every day like now as i am typing this the Cowboy Junkies are performing in my music room , well maybe not but it does sound like they are . I do not expect those who have other priorities to rush out and buy a clock or an LPSU . What I would suggest is get to listen to someone who has added one see if you can hear the difference and why so far Alan , Oli and now optical are all saying this is a good thing . I have not put Tony in that list because he has been convinced by this for years and believes enough to have some very expensive clocks to listen to .
I am not trying to force or brainwash people in to this but I am very personally convinced about the merits it has . I think that getting to hear what it does is a good thing and have made an open offer to anyone that wants to come and listen to call round and then you will either hear why I am making a fuss or realise that we hear things very differently and your hearing is not aligned with mine . Important thing is in our own way we are both after the same thing better music at home . Your path is to reduce and shorten the chain and you get a feeling of calm and pride in doing this and because of this you are happier with the quality of the music and you are right . I am currently running off in a very different direction and at this point it is proving to be for me the right direction and I am gaining quality I have never heard before . But i may well be demented and wrong about this and I may well be running in to a brick wall but as I am singing along to Jennifer Warnes I am not too bothered I am just having a very good time .
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Post by antonio on Apr 3, 2023 15:44:13 GMT
bencat I did ask if you were using another LPS on you LB clock in my post, see my question mark. "I am not trying to force or brainwash people in to this"- Are you sure the amount of posts made on here and three other forums that I know of.  Pleased you're enjoying the faffing and spending. 
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Post by bencat on Apr 3, 2023 15:56:47 GMT
My brain is still working over time and as luck would have it i am not able to try this as I have just lent my Theta Data basic transport to someone who wanted to set up a digital chain to compare with their analogue chain .
The Mutec just takes a digital stream so I could feed it the stream from a transport over AES/EBU on XLR and then put that through my system . With the external clock added the CD digital stream will then be reclocked using the same better accuracy as the streamer is now getting . I wonder if this will sound better than the stream of the ripped file from my server ? Some people say that playing the CD is better but i have never noticed any difference . I do know that every time you play a track on CD it will be slightly different but not sure how noticable that is .
Must give this a go when I get the Transport back after the Wam Show . I will admit to being evangelical about this guilty as charged but I am not brain washing but encouraging as many as possible to get a listen to it . I am not asking or suggesting they shell out thousands for a change of cable . If you have the technical chops then this is a very cheap thing to do . If like me you are sadly deficient then it cost a bit more but well under £200 for just the clock and no power supply using the USB to power it all the rest is my fixation and is not needed to hear an improvement . I would say that the other additions help but I would say that anyway for any item in the chain including Routers , Switches , and Optical boxes none of which should make any difference but for me they do .
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Post by antonio on Apr 3, 2023 16:07:35 GMT
Some say cd is better, others vice versa due to streaming not having moving parts, we can't tell the difference using the dCS Rossini with built in transport.
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Post by optical on Apr 3, 2023 16:28:29 GMT
optical Is the £15 clock connecting to your dac, streamer or Mutec? Clock is providing a 10mhz 'world clock' frequency signal to the world clock input of the Mutec. I also have a 75>50ohm adapter on the input and have moved the jumper internally on the Mutec to accept a 50ohm signal. Both the Mutec and clock are currently being powered by battery packs which give a clean 5v to each. All the tweaks have really added up. There will be skepticism, understandably so, but that won't bother people trying it. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 3, 2023 16:37:48 GMT
Well I am sure many are not that bothered and tired of all this clock business but I thought I would give a further update . I now have the LB Clock with 50 ohm impedance correction in place . It has been working since last week and I have listened to it every day since it was installed . At some stage the cheap 50 ohm pro cable I bought will be replaced by a fully spec hand built 50 ohm cable with 50 ohm bnc plugs attached but that is most likely to be just cherry on the cake stuff for full peace of mind . I am still saying that the difference of adding the external clock is just very noticeable . Everything is still sounding better sorted in soundstage timbre of voices and instruments and this one is difficult because it is a very personal thing but I hear better flow and tempo to the music . Best I can come up with is the difference between a really to flight rhythm section laying down a very good groove and a new bands rhythm section doing the same thing . Both will be playing the same thing but one will sound tight and have a groove the other may not . Sound group and ensemble sounds are more together and sound like they meant to sound this way rather than just messing about . I know not the easiest to describe or help others to hear the effect but it all comes through as being believable and real . I would still say to anyone of you can use an external clock then get to hear one , borrow one or invite someone round who has one but you do need to hear this . I am bothered! 100%! Keep going! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 3, 2023 16:53:22 GMT
bencat So you've got a Mutec with separate LPS, and now this LB clock + LPS? How would this compare to simply buying a better dac? not only that you wouldn't have to house all those boxes, connecting cables and power cables. Sorry to appear sceptical, but I wouldn't want all those extra boxes. Valid point Dave, regarding getting a better DAC, however: Mutec was about £500 IIRC, and £100 on the PSU. Aqvox DAC was £800 (still hurts) and £100 on the LPSU upgrade. Clock was £15 and PSU cost me maybe £20 to add into the Mutec PSU box. Total: £1535 I am not sure i could spend £3k and improve on what i have here in terms of sound quality. I do agree that less boxes and wires are preferable, and in truth adding these devices feels like correcting the things that should have been done correctly in the first place, but it's working very well indeed. bencat is right, you need to hear it to believe it. But i do wonder if you have an uber dac, whether this clock board business would be as effective as I presume uber DACs have the TOTL clocks in etc and remove a lot of the scope for Mutecs and ext. clocks to make any real difference. |
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Post by antonio on Apr 3, 2023 17:03:19 GMT
@bigman80 The niggle in the back of my mind is what lurch said, removing the Mutec made his system sound less hifi with more music. I understand some folk want more, and I'm sure these clocks do just that. You did say my Soekris needed a Mutec, maybe it does, but I'm happy with the sound and it is just another box or maybe two with an LPS. Having reduced my rack count from two to one, I don't want to go back to two. |
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Post by antonio on Apr 3, 2023 17:19:28 GMT
This guy basically says, the DDC does improve the Denafrips, but you may well be better biting the bullet and going for a Holo or Terminator.
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Post by lurch on Apr 3, 2023 17:25:02 GMT
I guess like anything it's system dependent, I know when I was running the pimped Node into the pimped BI, that with the Mutec + clock in the chain they were
a definite benefit to perceived SQ.
However when I got the ZenITH 3, to my ears the Mutec/clock combo became a hindrance to SQ. For me the sound became quite artificial, losing it's natural flow, almost as if the music was in a straitjacket, hence why I sold my Mutec & clock. I've since had my Black Ice maxed out (£450) which really has taken things to another level to my ears, I now have the soundstage, richness, texture and timbre I crave.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 3, 2023 17:52:53 GMT
@bigman80 The niggle in the back of my mind is what lurch said, removing the Mutec made his system sound less hifi with more music. I understand some folk want more, and I'm sure these clocks do just that. You did say my Soekris needed a Mutec, maybe it does, but I'm happy with the sound and it is just another box or maybe two with an LPS. Having reduced my rack count from two to one, I don't want to go back to two. Well, I have a bit of an issue with that description lol. No, each to their own, but i don't find that the Mutec makes anything more HiFi, if the relative term means to be sterile, hard and generally uninvolving. Here, the Mutec and the Clock have cleaned things up a great deal, and i suspect that could come across as more HiFi than musical, but i don't find any lack of musicality with what i heard from them being in the system. I agree that an Uber DAC probably doesn't need these gadgets...but these are cheaper than any uber DAC i can afford. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 3, 2023 18:06:04 GMT
This guy basically says, the DDC does improve the Denafrips, but you may well be better biting the bullet and going for a Holo or Terminator. The DDC is reported to improve the T2 though.....that's a fairly given experience from many Denafrips guys. |
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Post by misterc on Apr 3, 2023 19:02:26 GMT
As with all of this it system dependant, I have many cleints that a simple all in one streamer is all their audio goals and they are 100% happy and enjoy their system immensely. It is all relative to your own perspective and what you have a your own reference, the sizer of your rack (never heard it called that before lol) as in how many boxes you are willing handle, absolutely understand this.
This arrived this evening in the mail, chap brouht his streamer/server in for a repair and he spent some time having a listen to system.
"Hi Tony
A belated thank you for the time you spent with me a couple of weeks ago pondering the poor state of health of my streamer as well as treating me to an amazing sonic revelation delivered by your incredible setup in one of the demo rooms. It’s a good job that I would not make nearly enough to afford such a thing by selling all I owned and trading my daughters into slavery."
Genuinelly a really down to earth and nice gent, the odd point here is that his system is no slouch and was significantly more in outlay that what he listned to, he really struggled with the fact the dac is 32 years old, so when you recieve such comments its quite humbling.
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Post by bencat on Apr 5, 2023 11:23:54 GMT
By now quite a few on here will have got an idea about me and how I rush things well when being told about the 50 ohm through terminator I rushed off and ordered one from ebay and only after that saw tony,s message about getting one from RS . So ordered one of the metal ones from RS and this is the one I am using in my digital chain . The ebay one arrived to day and is surplus to requirements . So if anyone needs one then PM me with your details and i can post it off to you . better this is getting used than sitting in a pile doing nothing. Oh and just saying the system is still sounding wonderful a friend is coming over this afternoon to hear it and will be good to get another opinion .
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Post by bencat on Apr 5, 2023 15:08:25 GMT
Okay today my friend Graham called round to have a listen and had read some of what I had written and was a little sceptical which is a good thing . Graham has heard my system quite few times before and has heard my gradual improvements . Today when he arrived I was listening to BBC Radio Six music , this has some great music on it but is not the highest quality stream . Graham was impressed with what was playing and was then quite surprised when the music ended and he realised that it was radio . He said straight away that he was quite happy listening to music and that the quality was really good . This is one of the things that I have been pleased with in adding the LB Clock it is that all sources from the very good to the not so good have all improved and all sound better . No it does not make a poor stream suddenly HiRes quality nor does it make poor recordings in to state of the art masters . But it does make poorer sources easier to listen to and in most cases acceptable for just general back ground music .
Then we started going through a series of tracks that Graham knows and likes and he then he really got it and his comments were pretty much in line with what I felt . My system has jumped up in sound quality by about according to him four steps . There was no way he could think of that you could get that sort of increase in quality by changing a DAC or Amplifier or even speakers . He also was impressed that while we were chatting and the volume was turned down how well the sound stayed the same and was enjoyable even at relatively low levels . So another believer here Graham also has a Benchmark DAC which I believe has a clock input so he may well follow a similar path and buy an LB Clock and see how that works for him . This is becoming something that so far everyone who has heard it has noticed the change and each time in a very positive way . Paul of NVA is going to be around next Sunday (not the one coming ) so it will be good to get his view of how my system sounds he has never heard it before so will get back with his view after the event .
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Post by bencat on Apr 7, 2023 11:35:21 GMT
Afternoon all just something else that has come to my notice . My Purcell upsamples the signal and feeds this to my Delius DAC now using the two aes inputs it is possible to use 24/192 as the highest possible setting and in the past I could not really hear any difference between any of the settings above 88.2 . So I just left it at 24/192 and ignored it . I was reminded the other day that dCS advise you to always set the figure as a direct multiple of the original 44.1 ,48 ,96 etc . So my Purcell changes to the input signal and auto switches the Delius at the same time . After a switch from a high res file back to CD Flac I noticed the sound was not quite right so changed the out to 177.6 and the ease and lovely music was restored . Tried with 48Hz radio dream and again the best quality sound was at 24/192 . Same apples for 96Hz hires files . So without the LB Clock I could not hear any difference but with the clock attached it was quite easy to hear that multiples of the original stream sound better . Means when I switch I have to reset to the best sounding for the input but strange that this makes a real difference now . Now I am going to have to go through all the filter settings again to see if the clock has changed that as well .
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Post by stevew on Apr 8, 2023 10:06:58 GMT
So Andrew had said that if anyone had a chance that they should listen to a system with a clock in it to hear the difference.
Dropping off some bits n bobs this week at Oliver’s I got the chance to do just that.
Having listened to a few tracks through the digital side, Oliver was then able to throw a switch on the Mutec to go back to the internal clock rather than the pcb clock (£13 worth of Chinese clock).
Blimey. It sort of just went ‘flat’. It lost the sense of being there.
So this morning I’ve gone back and reread all of this thread and a lot makes so much more sense. Has to be done.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 8, 2023 10:44:53 GMT
So Andrew had said that if anyone had a chance that they should listen to a system with a clock in it to hear the difference. Dropping off some bits n bobs this week at Oliver’s I got the chance to do just that. Having listened to a few tracks through the digital side, Oliver was then able to throw a switch on the Mutec to go back to the internal clock rather than the pcb clock (£13 worth of Chinese clock). Blimey. It sort of just went ‘flat’. It lost the sense of being there. So this morning I’ve gone back and reread all of this thread and a lot makes so much more sense. Has to be done. Its very hard to describe what's happening, and in truth i have no idea why this £13 PCB should have the dramatic effect it does. It is dramatic though, and yes i agree, the sound just seems to go flat and stodgy when you take it out. Now it's there, i can't listen without it. It's not psychological either. It's audible. |
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Post by stevew on Apr 8, 2023 11:21:48 GMT
So Andrew had said that if anyone had a chance that they should listen to a system with a clock in it to hear the difference. Dropping off some bits n bobs this week at Oliver’s I got the chance to do just that. Having listened to a few tracks through the digital side, Oliver was then able to throw a switch on the Mutec to go back to the internal clock rather than the pcb clock (£13 worth of Chinese clock). Blimey. It sort of just went ‘flat’. It lost the sense of being there. So this morning I’ve gone back and reread all of this thread and a lot makes so much more sense. Has to be done. Its very hard to describe what's happening, and in truth i have no idea why this £13 PCB should have the dramatic effect it does. It is dramatic though, and yes i agree, the sound just seems to go flat and stodgy when you take it out. Now it's there, i can't listen without it. It's not psychological either. It's audible. Yes.. back in the day a magazine reviewer would have been full of ‘veils being lifted’ .. or placed over. But it’s not that. All the music and instruments are there .. but not as sparkly. No.. that’s a rubbish description. Anyway.. it’s in my growing list of things that need sorting. |
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