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Post by firebottle on Mar 24, 2022 13:40:51 GMT
I have a huge dummy load on a massive ceramic former that would do the job.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 15:14:39 GMT
It's alive!!!!!!!!
Currently playing in the garage system
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 24, 2022 15:25:42 GMT
Somehow I knew that would be the text in this post. Well done and looking good!
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 15:33:25 GMT
Somehow I knew that would be the text in this post. Well done and looking good! The stress levels on first switch on were out of this world.
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Post by pete on Mar 24, 2022 15:55:51 GMT
Excellent work. Glad to hear it is taking its first tentative steps. I wonder how it compares to the 686 I have here??😁
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 24, 2022 16:06:57 GMT
Somehow I knew that would be the text in this post. Well done and looking good! The stress levels on first switch on were out of this world. Yeah, I know that feeling! I like that case, seems it might be a lot less fiddly to assemble than the Modushop ones. When do we get to see the front of it, or a sourcing link?
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Post by alit on Mar 24, 2022 16:15:52 GMT
Good job Oli, enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 17:00:18 GMT
Looking good.
How deep is the case?
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 17:37:18 GMT
The stress levels on first switch on were out of this world. Yeah, I know that feeling! I like that case, seems it might be a lot less fiddly to assemble than the Modushop ones. When do we get to see the front of it, or a sourcing link? Won't have the front on for a week or so as I need a momentary switch and no point putting all that together to have to take it all off to fit the switch. The case makes the modushop ones look like biscuut tin. It's massively heavy, rock solid and doesn't sound like a bongo when you tap it. I only use the same seller. He's a bit more expensive, but he posts with FedEx and has 100% reliability with me. Case is here: a.aliexpress.com/_mOMr88A
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 17:38:25 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 17:39:07 GMT
Cheers Ali. I'm knackered. Been building since Tuesday. Playing now and sound cracking already.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 17:41:53 GMT
The good news is that it is also available in black.
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Post by misterc on Mar 24, 2022 17:42:14 GMT
Well done Oli, nice to see a well thought out build happen, look forward to listneing to it at the shidig ina few weeks top stuff mate.
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Post by karma67 on Mar 24, 2022 17:47:55 GMT
The good news is that it is also available in black. got a link please?
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 18:04:00 GMT
Well done Oli, nice to see a well thought out build happen, look forward to listneing to it at the shidig ina few weeks top stuff mate. Cheers T. Nice to get a positive comment from a professional. 👍 pete Too much has changed in the system to give any accurate comparison with the 686 you have. I imagine once your all in one Avalon BT2 lands, you'll be happy as Larry!
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 24, 2022 18:06:05 GMT
The good news is that it is also available in black. got a link please? This looks like the same design from the same seller, though diff dimensions.
Also if wanting more heatsink for the higher power amp, this looks like the same build in a taller enclosure, though different dimensions and diff seller.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 18:09:29 GMT
The good news is that it is also available in black. got a link please? Here, but this is the seller who's case never arrived here. a.aliexpress.com/_mKU8ttk
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 18:10:11 GMT
This looks like the same design from the same seller, though diff dimensions.
Also if wanting more heatsink for the higher power amp, this looks like the same build in a taller enclosure, though different dimensions and diff seller. Yes, make sure you don't buy the smaller one. The extra space is really handy. Also, be aware that the case is not symmetrical....which I found out after the build started. Make sure have all the panels the right way round. If you have black, you'll need to scratch some of the anodising off where the panels meet or you won't get earth continuity all round the case.
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Post by antonio on Mar 24, 2022 18:40:45 GMT
I will certainly look forward to hearing this on May 8th.
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Post by rexton on Mar 24, 2022 19:29:30 GMT
One day I may go down the 686 route!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 19:31:59 GMT
This looks like the same design from the same seller, though diff dimensions.
Also if wanting more heatsink for the higher power amp, this looks like the same build in a taller enclosure, though different dimensions and diff seller. If you have black, you'll need to scratch some of the anodising off where the panels meet or you won't get earth continuity all round the case. That is the good thing about the Modushop case base plate. It gives you a nice big earth plate. but yes, you need to make sure you have continuity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 19:35:04 GMT
One question Oli, is the internal speaker wire big enough? Only asking, as it seems a bit strange to fit a 2.5mm cable on the outside, when you have something so small on the inside?
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 19:56:23 GMT
One question Oli, is the internal speaker wire big enough? Only asking, as it seems a bit strange to fit a 2.5mm cable on the outside, when you have something so small on the inside? It's a short run, so looking at it from a technical perspective, you should be able to push around 11A through 1mm² solid core. Resistance is none existent, so for the 5" of wire with 11A current capacity, it should be fine.
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 24, 2022 20:12:06 GMT
One question Oli, is the internal speaker wire big enough? Only asking, as it seems a bit strange to fit a 2.5mm cable on the outside, when you have something so small on the inside? It's a short run, so looking at it from a technical perspective, you should be able to push around 11A through 1mm² solid core. Resistance is none existent, so for the 5" of wire with 11A current capacity, it should be fine. This is where I get a bit sketchy. How you talk about short runs of smaller wire handling current fits my intuition. However, when I read about it a few weeks ago, multiple sources seemed to be saying that the length of wire affects voltage, not current capacity, and current is based on wire size, full stop. If true, wouldn't that mean that current could be restricted by smallish wire regardless of how short and it's just voltage that doesn't drop with a short run? Just asking 'cuz I'd like to get clear on this issue.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 20:23:44 GMT
It's a short run, so looking at it from a technical perspective, you should be able to push around 11A through 1mm² solid core. Resistance is none existent, so for the 5" of wire with 11A current capacity, it should be fine. This is where I get a bit sketchy. How you talk about short runs of smaller wire handling current fits my intuition. However, when I read about it a few weeks ago, multiple sources seemed to be saying that the length of wire affects voltage, not current capacity, and current is based on wire size, full stop. If true, wouldn't that mean that current could be restricted by smallish wire regardless of how short and it's just voltage that doesn't drop with a short run? Just asking 'cuz I'd like to get clear on this issue. Voltage drop is an issue of a significant length of wire, but I suppose resistance can be a factor if the cable is too thin, but 1mm² isn't exactly thin gauge. I've used 24awg on output before without being aware of an issue. I think there is a lot of conflicting information, but I ran it past phonomac and was given the green light, so I'm not gonna worry about it lol Thing is, how many folk out there are putting 4mm² power cable into their Amps when the house has 2.5mm² and the inside of the amp likely has 1.5mm² hookup wire in. Same principle?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 21:13:37 GMT
Same principle, but in reverse from 2.5mm to 4mm. I never saw the point in going bigger than what is already in the chain before.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 22:03:53 GMT
Same principle, but in reverse from 2.5mm to 4mm. I never saw the point in going bigger than what is already in the chain before. Yeah, but I know guys with 6mm² Silver mains cables, into DIY Valve amps that they wired up with 1mm² hookup wire. If you use logic, there can be little to no value going above 2.5mm² power cable, unless you lose voltage/gain resistance at the point of plug to wall socket connection. I know that I don't lose Voltage, as I still get a massive 247v out of the wall on the end of a 2m mains cable. Regardless of whether I use 1mm², 1.5mm², 2mm² etc, all the way up to 6mm², I still get 247v. If you abandon logic, I can tell you when I have 4 or 6mm² mains cables in the system because the bass goes Nucking Futs. I read the Allen Wright Valve amp cook book and he swears that the best sounding gear uses 0.1mm² enameled copper. I thought "he's off his tits". I tried it, he may have a point. I've wired two BT2's with exactly the same PC-CCC, one with 30awg one with 24awg.....they sound different. The wire is only 6" long at the longest part. From a technical standpoint, I don't believe there is a reason that 5" of 1mm² solid core PC-TRIPLE C is an issue on the speaker outputs. From a sq standpoint, who the F knows lol I mean, look at the wire they use in speakers! Is like bell wire and that receiving the same signal that the amp is putting out.... This AWG guide suggests that resistance for a 0.8mm² solid core cable is 21ohms/1000m and is rated for 9.5A I don't think it's an issue.
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 24, 2022 22:32:16 GMT
Oops, I failed to notice that you said "solid core". Yes, guides show 18AWG solid core handling 9.5A, so not an issue regardless of this discussion.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2022 22:36:46 GMT
Oops, I failed to notice that you said "solid core". Yes, guides show 18AWG solid core handling 9.5A, so not an issue regardless of this discussion. Ha, no worries Bruce. Yeah, it's over rated for the work it's doing and technically more than adequate, but yes, if I had enough of the Acoustic Revive speaker cable, I probably would have used that. Moot point, as I didn't and I'm not buying more!
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Post by stevew on Mar 25, 2022 10:33:09 GMT
Cheers Ali. I'm knackered. Been building since Tuesday. Playing now and sound cracking already. I’m finally loosing it. I read ‘sound crackling already’ It is? Blimey
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