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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 30, 2019 18:56:10 GMT
If that’s what you are after I’d say an OTL would be right up your street. One day I would like to try one. It would have to be something without hassles and hair shirt construction though,
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Post by macca on Jan 30, 2019 19:31:54 GMT
like all amps, good, excellent, average, bad, awful; cant make broad statements just because you have one valve amp and say it sounds worse than your AVR. You listened to one valve amp it does not sound good, therefore they must all be the same sounding___________________Beep, wrong assumption. AVr's sound dreadful to me will not go near one, multi channel amps are not my bag, power supplies not up to it. There are some exceptions but they cost. Yep very true especially re AVRs.They totally under-specify the power supplies in those things. They are not capable of doing what the makers claim in terms of clean decibels. Although like most amps if you stay within their comfort zone they sound acceptable. Just not special.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 19:47:39 GMT
If that’s what you are after I’d say an OTL would be right up your street. One day I would like to try one. It would have to be something without hassles and hair shirt construction though, Difficult to get a trouble free OTL. They have a habit of smoking. AliT has some reliable ones though.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 30, 2019 19:51:39 GMT
I always thought I’d have a Croft, but my days of making all the compromises to accommodate my hifi are over. They are just too “kitchen table” for me. I’m getting more and more inclined to want something polished and fuss free.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 20:01:08 GMT
I always thought I’d have a Croft, but my days of making all the compromises to accommodate my hifi are over. They are just too “kitchen table” for me. I’m getting more and more inclined to want something polished and fuss free. Had three extended sessions with two different Crofts. A series 5 which I believe wasn't one of Glenns own and a 7. 7 was better than 5, Krell is better than both lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 20:20:20 GMT
OTL no no to much heat any the reliability issues no thanks. Heat kills plus I live in a hot part of the world. Heat kills valves chop chop, keep them cool and they last laterally for ages, they are not cheap are they.
Run fans on my valve amps do not care if the fans make a noise I do not listen at low volumes. Never could make sense of this, "the thing must be hot to sound good".
My experience is the amp sounds exactly the same. Without the fans and with the fans, (which bring the temperature of the amp to just above body temperature and the valves cool if you hold your hand above or next to them, still would not touch them I will get burned.) Perhaps someone could answer this for me, "it is a fact that cold metal conducts better than hot metal not so". So why let your amp get hot if the conduction is better cold, this is a good thing not so. Or do I have it all wrong.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 30, 2019 20:26:13 GMT
I’d never say never, but I wonder if I will ever bother with pre and power again, my fave speakers are all easy to drive and I like the ease of one box.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 20:49:10 GMT
OTL no no to much heat any the reliability issues no thanks. Heat kills plus I live in a hot part of the world. Heat kills valves chop chop, keep them cool and they last laterally for ages, they are not cheap are they. Run fans on my valve amps do not care if the fans make a noise I do not listen at low volumes. Never could make sense of this, "the thing must be hot to sound good". My experience is the amp sounds exactly the same. Without the fans and with the fans, (which bring the temperature of the amp to just above body temperature and the valves cool if you hold your hand above or next to them, still would not touch them I will get burned.) Perhaps someone could answer this for me, "it is a fact that cold metal conducts better than hot metal not so". So why let your amp get hot if the conduction is better cold, this is a good thing not so. Or do I have it all wrong. Excellent post.......Trust me go the valve route and heat is the killer. Yer trannies and valves will greatly benefit from a big fanny blowing cool air over em, okay at low vol this aint an ideal situation, but some great virtually silent fans can be had now.....well worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 21:12:26 GMT
I’d never say never, but I wonder if I will ever bother with pre and power again, my fave speakers are all easy to drive and I like the ease of one box. I am hooked I am afraid to say on the industrial look of all that stuff and wires all over the place, like a veteran car every thing tagged on. I have the space, dedicated man cave so why not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 21:24:04 GMT
I must admit seperates are nice.......and very handy if things go tits up..
You buy an all in one stereo integrated amp with built in phono etc...... One thing fuks up yer snookered.
You loose the lot for repair.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 8:35:12 GMT
And Integrated always looks a bit of a slab, cake tin, don't make those nice big shiny real alloy, full of knobs, switches and big analogue meters like they used to do they.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 3, 2019 13:57:19 GMT
I’m fancying a second system. Might go valve for the amp. Maybe Audion again, but will see what bargains appear. I want something integrated, plug and play, and pretty.
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Post by antonio on Feb 3, 2019 14:21:37 GMT
Audion or Border Patrol are the only valve amps I would give house room to, of the valve amps I have listened to of course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 20:13:16 GMT
Audion or Border Patrol are the only valve amps I would give house room to, of the valve amps I have listened to of course. I'd like to hear a border patrol, I suspect they could be good.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 3, 2019 22:52:21 GMT
Well, I didn’t wait long before snapping up a bedroom amp. Probably more of a stop gap but should be fun while it lasts. Small? Check. Pretty? Check. Integrated that’s plug and play? Check. Valve? Errrr, is the Nait 1 a valve amp?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 23:05:54 GMT
Well, I didn’t wait long before snapping up a bedroom amp. Probably more of a stop gap but should be fun while it lasts. Small? Check. Pretty? Check. Integrated that’s plug and play? Check. Valve? Errrr, is the Nait 1 a valve amp? lol
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 3, 2019 23:20:26 GMT
I've tried a few, owned a Trilogy Vti (original model) ran hot as hell and was flaky. Owned a pair of EAR 509's which were solid but a bit noisy even after a service from Tim. Kinda done with them now, not my cup of tea, I like fit and forget kit.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 3, 2019 23:42:40 GMT
Hard to admit to myself but most of the valve amps I’ve had were nicer to look at than they were to listen to. I suspect that I’d need something better made with higher quality transformers to be a contender for my main system. Maybe one day but I think I’d be more likely to go for an Orton.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 8:44:01 GMT
Anybody wanting to try a valve power amplifier could check out the Leak Stereo 20.
It only has 12 watts per channel, bur they are very willing and punchy watts, so these little amps will drive a surprising range of speakers without bother. Despite their age, the Leaks offer a pretty modern and very decent sound. They work very well with a passive pre-amp. Being simply laid out, they are a doddle to work one too, although they tend not to give much bother. That's why there are still so many about.
I've owned three of them in the past and could definitely live with one happily.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 9:54:07 GMT
Anybody wanting to try a valve power amplifier could check out the Leak Stereo 20. It only has 12 watts per channel, bur they are very willing and punchy watts, so these little amps will drive a surprising range of speakers without bother. Despite their age, the Leaks offer a pretty modern and very decent sound. They work very well with a passive pre-amp. Being simply laid out, they are a doddle to work one too, although they tend not to give much bother. That's why there are still so many about. I've owned three of them in the past and could definitely live with one happily. Prices are increasing on these all the time, Geoff. Might be worth storing a mint one for future profit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 10:25:00 GMT
Anybody wanting to try a valve power amplifier could check out the Leak Stereo 20. It only has 12 watts per channel, bur they are very willing and punchy watts, so these little amps will drive a surprising range of speakers without bother. Despite their age, the Leaks offer a pretty modern and very decent sound. They work very well with a passive pre-amp. Being simply laid out, they are a doddle to work one too, although they tend not to give much bother. That's why there are still so many about. I've owned three of them in the past and could definitely live with one happily. Prices are increasing on these all the time, Geoff. Might be worth storing a mint one for future profit. More profit to be made from stockpiling older Quad power amps. The 306, 606, 707 and 909. Mark my words, they will rise sharply in value soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 10:27:50 GMT
Prices are increasing on these all the time, Geoff. Might be worth storing a mint one for future profit. More profit to be made from stockpiling older Quad power amps. The 306, 606, 707 and 909. Mark my words, they will rise sharply in value soon. Tell me why Geoff. I see why good quality valve amps will, not so much solid state.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 10:57:13 GMT
More profit to be made from stockpiling older Quad power amps. The 306, 606, 707 and 909. Mark my words, they will rise sharply in value soon. Tell me why Geoff. I see why good quality valve amps will, not so much solid state. Last of the quality British made amps with a build nobody else matches, let alone at the price. You are unlikely to see anything like them again. Those around now will be snapped up by those who know a good thing. I've not checked Quad asking prices in the far east, but I'll bet they're getting silly, as they are for all proper British gear and that will push values up. The Quads are not the best amps in the world, but they offer a heck of a lot for what is basically peanuts...........so far! I've got a 306 and 707, but may treat myself to an early 909 (later ones are Chinese built). If you're not striving for the most 'impressive' sound and just listen to one for a while, you realise that all the music is there and the sound is effortless and relaxed. In other words, you'd have a job making one sound bad in most systems. The 306 is the most lucid by the way, but the least powerful, still a useful fifty watts though in a tiny box. Makes a great back-up amp. Everybody should have one!
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 4, 2019 16:49:21 GMT
Tell me why Geoff. I see why good quality valve amps will, not so much solid state. Last of the quality British made amps with a build nobody else matches, let alone at the price. You are unlikely to see anything like them again. Those around now will be snapped up by those who know a good thing. I've not checked Quad asking prices in the far east, but I'll bet they're getting silly, as they are for all proper British gear and that will push values up. The Quads are not the best amps in the world, but they offer a heck of a lot for what is basically peanuts...........so far! I've got a 306 and 707, but may treat myself to an early 909 (later ones are Chinese built). If you're not striving for the most 'impressive' sound and just listen to one for a while, you realise that all the music is there and the sound is effortless and relaxed. In other words, you'd have a job making one sound bad in most systems. The 306 is the most lucid by the way, but the least powerful, still a useful fifty watts though in a tiny box. Makes a great back-up amp. Everybody should have one! I agree. Insanely well built and it’s only the Quad “pipe and slippers” rep that stops these being given the kudos they deserve. Quad preamps look nice but they limit the performance of the power amps.
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 6, 2019 11:51:59 GMT
The problem with QUAD, IMO, is their choice of components, they're famous for it. Iconic indutrial design filled with Sh#t parts.They had a high point around the 6 series stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 11:53:00 GMT
The problem with QUAD, IMO, is their choice of components, they're famous for it. Iconic indutrial design filled with Sh#t parts.They had a high point around the 6 series stuff. Worth buying a 306 and filling it with better stuff? Or just avoid that series altogether?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 13:56:04 GMT
Must be just a fluke then that the 306 has a reputation for decent sound and reliability.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:36:08 GMT
Anybody wanting to try a valve power amplifier could check out the Leak Stereo 20. It only has 12 watts per channel, bur they are very willing and punchy watts, so these little amps will drive a surprising range of speakers without bother. Despite their age, the Leaks offer a pretty modern and very decent sound. They work very well with a passive pre-amp. Being simply laid out, they are a doddle to work one too, although they tend not to give much bother. That's why there are still so many about. I've owned three of them in the past and could definitely live with one happily. First Wam bakeoff I went to involved a Leak 20. The person we went to see had a top of the range Linn setup with B&W 802D's. They were on nutty bouncy stands but sounded bloody awful. One of the other chaps had brought a stereo 20, and whilst it was obviously a bit underpowered for the B&Ws they sounded a million times better - said chap soon had no more Linn and a few bits of Icon Audio instead. But it was the Leak that showed how badly matched the Linn kit was, cracking little amp.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:48:03 GMT
Must be just a fluke then that the 306 has a reputation for decent sound and reliability. I don't doubt you, Geoff. It's actually piqued my interest that you think so highly of it. I'm willing to try one with an open mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 21:31:58 GMT
Must be just a fluke then that the 306 has a reputation for decent sound and reliability. I don't doubt you, Geoff. It's actually piqued my interest that you think so highly of it. I'm willing to try one with an open mind. Don't expect it to be a 'mini Krell', but it's bloody good for the money they can be picked up for.
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