Mutec MC-3+USB

Should just be the top two on the second row, have you tried the usb on your system yet even if its off the PC.to see if it has a fault with the unit at all?

I have a great many customers with Innous front ends and MC3+usb, even taken them over the Phoneix version.

Would love to show you on mine but I have removed the usb boards as I do not require them!

I think if you are going to say that you should put up a link or links to such so we can see for ourselves. I have looked and I couldn't find anything so would be interested to see - and if they're legitimate I'd then be interested in trying it.

It is the Feb 2020 issue but I stopped buying it years ago. I did post a link to Paul Miller's review earlier in the thread which showed a slight reduction in jitter, but jitter without the Mutec was already way beyond audible. So if it does do something that's audible it doesn't do it by reducing jitter.

Think it may have been 'electronumpty' (among others) who mentioned that Antonio but I get where people are coming from.

I was born in the 80's and embrace those lights!

Tried to get a decent recording off the phone last night.

Actually sounds pretty decent through headphones.

The thing that comes over best is the studio effects on the opening vocals.


drive.google.com/file/d/1ilFtIGQHTK4TK39axajoQedX13rZPaVH/view?usp=drivesdk

True, although you can get lucky sometimes regarding customs charges . . . less often these days to be fair.

I was more wondering how much of a worthwhile upgrade an LPS would be to this unit specifically.

Probably some improvement as with anything that receives a dedicated PS.

I suspected as much. 

If you can do it why not!

I wonder if the unit does more for the AES/USB inputs than coax/toslink perhaps.

I did some research a while ago and came to the conclusion that using AES from streamer to DAC was the least compromised approach. Just never found a streamer I liked with AES output within budget. 

Some folks say USB is now the numero uno as the implementation of async has overtaken the others . . . . 

I quite like the certain forums among others for 'some' credible measurements and specs. Although I suspect a lot of the measurements they take, have little value in the real world (using speakers).
I think it's naive to completely discredit a product on the grounds that it 'cannot' sound any good if it doesn't fit a measurement blueprint. Incredibly narrow minded in my opinion and in fact the complete opposite of what science should be based on (the furthering of knowledge and understanding).

I get there are scientific forums but a lot of their views are rigid to a fault in my opinion.

As a lot of us have been saying for ages, measurements are only a part of the sound equation. It makes no sense to me how those taking an interest in equipment that produces sound, can be unwilling to accept that factors outside their current state-of-the-art abilities to measure, could possibly have an effect on sound. Quoting psych-acoustics/unconscious bias etc sounds pretty old when you have so much evidence provided by the greatest scientific tool of all time, ones brain, literally showing you all the evidence you should need.


What I also do not like is the complete lack of empathy and general attitude on some forums when it's 'conventions' are challenged in some way. Using 'science' as an excuse seems to be a veil for insults and attempted patronising.

"Rabid" is an appropriate adjective in this case. The first sign of a chink in someone's argument or logic and people won't hesitate to spend all their energies trying to discredit you.

They don't know everything, no one does, yet pretend they do.


Sorry, rant over.

Gentlemen,

Whilst i am loving the momentum of the thread and enthusiast views on both sides of the argument, i just want to remind all of us that we don't discuss other forums, or their members/owners on this forum. Linking to material elsewhere is absolutely A-OK, but i don't want to venture into the realm of actually discussing the views, opinions or attitude of the posters there.

What we don't want is to end up reigniting the age of "forum Wars" that has existed in the past.

misterc

Thanks for sharing that scan. I pretty much agree in totally with what is written there.....for the first time ever.

The measurements in the article are pretty much evidence enough that the device does what it says it will do. However, in the real world where Jitter is not so "emphatically" present, those results are likely to be far less impressive to the eye. HOWEVER, that does not mean that the device isn't worth every penny.

In my system, i am currently feeling like the price i paid is a huge bargain. In Alans setup yesterday, i would be left questioning if it did anything at all.

For many people, there are more likely to be areas of greater reward that need of investment before you worry about sticking a Mutech in the system. No point sticking a Mutech in the system if you're using a budget amp and speaker setup.

The large bulk work of my system is done now and things like external PSU's, Expensive cables and Mutechs are all about finessing the last drops out of a carefully constructed setup.

Wouldn't have it any other way

Measurements are a guide really , only your ears will tell you if you like it or not. The only ones that really matter are the dimensions and whether it will fit on your rack/shelf or not!

I don't understand this, streamers and upsamplers don't have clocks in do they. If my assumption is right, how can a clock upsampler improve something without a clock?

Am I right in thinking the Mutec is connected to an unused input in a dac, where would one connect to on a streamer?

Can one Mutec be connected to two devices or do you have to buy two if you want to connect to a streamer and a dac