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Post by macca on Jan 14, 2020 18:05:25 GMT
Given it cost nothing then I suppose I'd have to agree, Do I think it changes anything in the output of the player? No. I think the effect is psychological.
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Post by pauld on Jan 14, 2020 18:37:24 GMT
Given it cost nothing then I suppose I'd have to agree, Do I think it changes anything in the output of the player? No. I think the effect is psychological. Quite possibly. The Black Ravioli makes more difference in my opinion, but does have a higher cost associated. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 18:41:08 GMT
What mystical powers does black Ravioli have?
If it were the case that it was vibration induced interference, then we should be supporting HiFi on jelly, or elastic bands.
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Post by jandl100 on Jan 14, 2020 18:59:49 GMT
What mystical powers does black Ravioli have? If it were the case that it was vibration induced interference, then we should be supporting HiFi on jelly, or elastic bands. that's what the Townshend support items do, pretty much. People pay £thousands for the privilege of wobbly Townshend supports and seem happy to do so. Maybe they're right. I cheaped out and spent £200 [in an half price sale] on a pair of wobbly Auralex speaker platforms and am very pleased. The equivalent Townshend gear would have been over £2k and may have given even better results. ... given the success of the Auralex gear, I am quite tempted to try them! |
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Post by macca on Jan 14, 2020 19:28:34 GMT
Speakers and turntables will be affected by what they sit on and so forth though. Kit with valves in - possibly That's not a misconception. Solid state? Well if it is then there's no existing physical explanation and it can't be measured either. Or heard blind. Which leaves the vagaries of the human brain as the most likely explanation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 19:29:05 GMT
As I mentioned last evening to Bigman80, a simple accelerometer is all you need to qualify this any disagreement concerning isolation devices and the genuine effectiveness.
Which ever method you plump for
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Post by macca on Jan 14, 2020 19:49:56 GMT
The March Audio bloke on ASR did it. Although that was on PFM a few years back. It's what he does for a living, testing vibration. Absolutely no effect on the measured output even with quite a bit of vibration applied. Yep I know, maybe it can't be measured. That's not impossible I admit. Just massively unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 20:04:58 GMT
Hello Macca
I am happy to produce some controlled vibrational measurement studies, with fully certified equipment for both equipment and human body modelling in a domestic environment.
They maybe a correlation or maybe some interesting results.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 15, 2020 6:56:57 GMT
Hello Macca I am happy to produce some controlled vibrational measurement studies, with fully certified equipment for both equipment and human body modelling in a domestic environment. They maybe a correlation or maybe some interesting results. That would be cool! |
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Post by macca on Jan 15, 2020 7:18:33 GMT
Yes it would.
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Post by pauld on Jan 15, 2020 8:31:13 GMT
It would be good to see whether it is all in our minds or whether it is actually making a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:23:50 GMT
Classical music lover's know what music is all about....?
😂😂😂😂
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Post by macca on Jan 15, 2020 13:35:00 GMT
yes that's a good one: 'If you don't go regularly to live performances of acoustic music you can't judge the quality of a hi-fi system.'
'A' grade bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:43:28 GMT
Snooty bastards the lot o em.
They secretly crave a bit o bit o heavy metal.
But tolerate a wee bit o Michael Buble and Andre Rieu when the missus is tucked up in bed... snoring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 15:05:03 GMT
I must admit Harrison, you are a rather odd fellow, almost amusing at times but repressed with it seems either that or just poor soul lost in time with overtures of an older role playing games arch anti hero.
Perhaps a spot of sun in warmer climes would benefit your your somewhat jaded cynical disposition.
Possible a touch of keyboard warrior banished from similar place of residence by other audio god pantheons?
That said, thou art occasionally a mirthful individual if a touch sour
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 15:13:29 GMT
Thanks PB......you should try measuring my vibration levels when I really get going...💥
Thing is I say it the way I see it.....a lot of folks are to scared to do so.
It would be a very dull forum indeed without vigorous D.O.P.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 15:15:59 GMT
I'm going to have a vigorous dop now ! 😜👍
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Its that CBD oil I'm trying for me back pain I think.
It's like giving fucking birth ! 😟
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 15:35:46 GMT
Fooling yourself that because it looks good and costs an arm and a leg, it sounds good.
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Post by jandl100 on Jan 15, 2020 15:37:47 GMT
yes that's a good one: 'If you don't go regularly to live performances of acoustic music you can't judge the quality of a hi-fi system.' 'A' grade bollocks. Well, classical music has its own challenges. It's my experience that systems put together by non-classical listeners usually sound pretty awful on classical. Generally thin and forward and lacking in upper bass / lower midrange. It's the good old "flat earth" sound that exaggerates leading edges and makes rock music sound better than it really is.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 15:51:46 GMT
To be honest , nine tenths of rock concerts I've been to have sounded bloody awful.
You'd never be happy with that in your front room.
I think there's something to be said for hearing real instruments though to give yourself a reference.
Some of the best stuff I've heard is pub jazz gigs. Awesome stuff and if I could get a system to repricate that then I'd be well chuffed because it'd probably do everything well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 15:56:43 GMT
My findings suggest people turn to classical music as a last resort...
They simply cannot grasp popular music regardless of Genre.
This is due to some fundamental shortcomings....(Probably bullied at school)....(Probably never kissed a girl)....etc etc.
And once they turn to Classical, they simply do not comprehend it ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 15, 2020 16:06:37 GMT
yes that's a good one: 'If you don't go regularly to live performances of acoustic music you can't judge the quality of a hi-fi system.' 'A' grade bollocks. Well, classical music has its own challenges. It's my experience that systems put together by non-classical listeners usually sound pretty awful on classical. Generally thin and forward and lacking in upper bass / lower midrange. It's the good old "flat earth" sound that exaggerates leading edges and makes rock music sound better than it really is. A good system will do anything you throw at it |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 16:09:44 GMT
My findings suggest people turn to classical music as a last resort... They simply cannot grasp popular music regardless of Genre. This is due to some fundamental shortcomings....(Probably bullied at school)....(Probably never kissed a girl)....etc etc. And once they turn to Classical, they simply do not comprehend it ?. I think you'll find the 'never kissed a girl' thing refers to prog rock afficionado's actually. ☺ |
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Post by pauld on Jan 15, 2020 16:11:00 GMT
To be honest , nine tenths of rock concerts I've been to have sounded bloody awful. You'd never be happy with that in your front room. I think there's something to be said for hearing real instruments though to give yourself a reference. Some of the best stuff I've heard is pub jazz gigs. Awesome stuff and if I could get a system to repricate that then I'd be well chuffed because it'd probably do everything well. Agree with this one. Most concerts are too loud and don't sound great. |
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Post by pauld on Jan 15, 2020 16:12:20 GMT
My findings suggest people turn to classical music as a last resort... They simply cannot grasp popular music regardless of Genre. This is due to some fundamental shortcomings....(Probably bullied at school)....(Probably never kissed a girl)....etc etc. And once they turn to Classical, they simply do not comprehend it ? Sorry Harrison but that is just nuts. People like classical because they like classical, in the same way they may like pop or rock or folk etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 16:18:11 GMT
No no and thrice no......
Classical fans do not like, and can never like, classical music.
They simply pretend to like it...but it is a dead dated thing, best reserved for re-runs of Pride & Prejudice or the proms.
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Post by jandl100 on Jan 15, 2020 16:20:33 GMT
Well, classical music has its own challenges. It's my experience that systems put together by non-classical listeners usually sound pretty awful on classical. Generally thin and forward and lacking in upper bass / lower midrange. It's the good old "flat earth" sound that exaggerates leading edges and makes rock music sound better than it really is. A good system will do anything you throw at it Nah. It doesn't work like that in my experience. One person's good system on their choices of music is far from guaranteed to deliver in the same way for someone else's choice of music. What you're saying would apply only to a perfect system, and there ain't no such animal. We all design our own systems for the music and sounds that we want to listen to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 16:34:06 GMT
Much 'classical music' was the pop music of its time and is equally as shallow and Sh#t in its own way. I detest Mozart, twiddly, show off stuff, just 'cos he could.
Oh and I generally like all genres of music (apart from country and rap, but nobody with an I.Q. over 80 likes 'em anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 17:17:23 GMT
Remastered vinyl is better........
Bollocks
Remastered are different at best.
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Post by pauld on Jan 15, 2020 17:24:36 GMT
No no and thrice no...... Classical fans do not like, and can never like, classical music. They simply pretend to like it...but it is a dead dated thing, best reserved for re-runs of Pride & Prejudice or the proms. Ok fair enough, you have your view. I like some classical music, but not all. |
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