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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 19:43:25 GMT
It's getting nearly time to make the last step. Tall order mate, with so many possibilties. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 20:07:45 GMT
Spot on Macca. Unfortunately, I am now thinking the last piece of the puzzle will be to get some speakers of the utmost quality. It's getting nearly time to make the last step. Tall order mate, with so many possibilties. Tall order with my current budget and earning potential too lol. I am not going to start that for now. I want to do some other things for the family and finish a vmcouoke of projects on the house. I'm just going to enjoy the amp, finish my MM/MC phonostage and get the boards out for DIYers and then see where I'm at in a years time. I just know that I'm at the point where its the last piece to get upgraded. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 21:16:46 GMT
I'll toss a spanner in the works  . JBL L65 Jubal. Tremendous dynamics and power from a compact (ish) box, plus superb treble and detail, the tweeter is a masterpiece. The perfect rock speaker for a guitar fan. Need short plinths to get the best from them. Rare and a bit pricey, but soooo nice! (yes, I know there's always the L100 Century, but it's crude in comparison) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 21:34:43 GMT
I'd be more concerned with sourcing spare parts for Yammies and of course their nasty habit of shedding bass driver magnets. However, get a good reliable pair and they are fine speakers. Not entirely my cup of tea though. I have heard a very fine pair and I came away significantly impressed but as always, you just don't know untill you get them home. I suppose there's always the point that they are only increasing in value so I'd not lose on a pair. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 21:35:36 GMT
I'll toss a spanner in the works . JBL L65 Jubal. Tremendous dynamics and power from a compact (ish) box, plus superb treble and detail, the tweeter is a masterpiece. The perfect rock speaker for a guitar fan. Need short plinths to get the best from them. Rare and a bit pricey, but soooo nice! (yes, I know there's always the L100 Century, but it's crude in comparison) Could I ever afford a pair? Doubtful lol |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 20, 2019 21:44:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 21:57:38 GMT
I always fancied trying some Technics SB-1000's.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 22:08:27 GMT
I don't fancy the 60s. I'll have a look at some of the ones you suggested but who knows what I'll do, I'm a loose cannon lol |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 22:08:46 GMT
I always fancied trying some Technics SB-1000's. Haha, they are class. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 22:13:51 GMT
Holy Sh#t!
Those HPM150s are epic looking.
I NEED them lol
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Post by macca on Aug 21, 2019 6:31:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 6:35:57 GMT
I have seen those but didn't know if they would dislodge the pioneers. Heard a set Macca? |
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Post by macca on Aug 21, 2019 6:38:42 GMT
Nope but they are cheap enough to take a punt on. Lovely condition too. I'm pretty confident they would be better than the Pioneers by a margin.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 6:48:25 GMT
Nope but they are cheap enough to take a punt on. Lovely condition too. I'm pretty confident they would be better than the Pioneers by a margin. I'll give them some thought. Im watching them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 7:00:23 GMT
Nope but they are cheap enough to take a punt on. Lovely condition too. I'm pretty confident they would be better than the Pioneers by a margin. small drivers.... nope. |
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Post by macca on Aug 21, 2019 7:10:14 GMT
Nope but they are cheap enough to take a punt on. Lovely condition too. I'm pretty confident they would be better than the Pioneers by a margin. small drivers.... nope. I hear ya, but has to be something that will work in Ollie's room, in budget, and be to his taste. I reckon they fit that bill. They'll do deeper bass than the Pioneers too despite the 6.5 inch driver. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 7:19:46 GMT
Are you planning on changing your listening space?
If so, I would wait until then before any upgrades.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 7:43:07 GMT
Are you planning on changing your listening space? If so, I would wait until then before any upgrades. I am Kevin but budget and timescale suggests it's years away from Happening so do I wait it out?! Also, I'm not rushing this bit. I usually get "the feeling" when something is right for me and that hasn't happened just yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 7:43:56 GMT
I hear ya, but has to be something that will work in Ollie's room, in budget, and be to his taste. I reckon they fit that bill. They'll do deeper bass than the Pioneers too despite the 6.5 inch driver. Are you sure? Deeper bass? These pioneer do go low. |
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Post by macca on Aug 21, 2019 8:13:21 GMT
Your Pioneers miss a whole chunk of the lower octaves out entirely. I reckon they start rolling off below 100 Hz. I notice that coming from my system to yours, you don't because you live with them full time, and they are not short of mid-bass which compensates a bit. But with some music it is obvious. And they are slightly rough sounding - remember when we played that Earth Wind And Fire tune? They made a bit of a dog's dinner of that.
not saying they don't have their charms, and their strengths, but you deffo need something better to show off the rest of the system.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:27:25 GMT
Your Pioneers miss a whole chunk of the lower octaves out entirely. I reckon they start rolling off below 100 Hz. I notice that coming from my system to yours, you don't because you live with them full time, and they are not short of mid-bass which compensates a bit. But with some music it is obvious. And they are slightly rough sounding - remember when we played that Earth Wind And Fire tune? They made a bit of a dog's dinner of that. not saying they don't have their charms, and their strengths, but you deffo need something better to show off the rest of the system. Yup, can't argue with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 8:32:42 GMT
I hear ya, but has to be something that will work in Ollie's room, in budget, and be to his taste. I reckon they fit that bill. They'll do deeper bass than the Pioneers too despite the 6.5 inch driver. plenty of speakers with small drivers do very deep bass, but I've yet to hear a pair that do it as naturally and effortlessly as big drivers (you cannae change the laws of physics I believe.) . It sounds impressive but I find it wearing and it becomes the focus of the music after a while. I'd rather have less range and more comfort. |
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Post by dsjr on Aug 21, 2019 8:43:14 GMT
Get to a few pubs playing live music - unamplified jazz even if it's not your cuppa. Try to get a vibe for the sound before you get too smashed and try to use this as a reference. It wouldn't hurt to buy one or two 50's recorded jazz CD's too to play through the stereo. Small speakers can NEVER give the presence of a bigger one, but the bigger you go, the greater the risk of colouration and boom. It's bad enough getting two drivers to work together. Add a third or more and you can be in trouble, let alone comb filter effects of multiple drivers if you sit too close. I used to love Jubals, but the beaming radiator tweeter was actually the main issue as regards integration - and they weren't made in the days of mirror imaging either, so transients could pull left a little if listened to close up. They'd need low stands these days too.
Actually, I wonder if the IMF 50's macca has would respond to a lightning fast modern powerhouse... The bigger IMF's certainly would have done and I have a huge soft spot for the KEF drivered 80mk2 and RSPM IV.
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Post by antonio on Aug 21, 2019 9:36:50 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Aug 21, 2019 9:51:57 GMT
They're treble monsters instead.....
I'll get me coat.
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Post by macca on Aug 21, 2019 11:11:49 GMT
I saw them but they are way too expensive for what you're getting. |
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Post by macca on Aug 21, 2019 11:15:53 GMT
Get to a few pubs playing live music - unamplified jazz even if it's not your cuppa. Try to get a vibe for the sound before you get too smashed and try to use this as a reference. It wouldn't hurt to buy one or two 50's recorded jazz CD's too to play through the stereo.
Live music is not a reference for recorded music. That might seem counter-intuitive but it's true.
You think recording microphones are accurate? You think the engineer is sat there twiddling the knobs trying to get it to sound like it does down the pub? Come on!
Every system I have heard where the owner has pursued a 'live' sound has made a right dog's dinner of a racket except with a handful of super-smooth audiophile recordings. This isn't the 1980's, get away from the flat earth Dave!
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 21, 2019 11:50:25 GMT
Get to a few pubs playing live music - unamplified jazz even if it's not your cuppa. Try to get a vibe for the sound before you get too smashed and try to use this as a reference. It wouldn't hurt to buy one or two 50's recorded jazz CD's too to play through the stereo. Live music is not a reference for recorded music. That might seem counter-intuitive but it's true.
You think recording microphones are accurate? You think the engineer is sat there twiddling the knobs trying to get it to sound like it does down the pub? Come on!
Every system I have heard where the owner has pursued a 'live' sound has made a right dog's dinner of a racket except with a handful of super-smooth audiophile recordings. This isn't the 1980's, get away from the flat earth Dave!
Probably a personal thing but I couldn’t agree more. Live rock gigs are at chainsaw dB levels and systems that try to emulate them sound worse than chainsaws ime |
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Post by macca on Aug 21, 2019 12:03:53 GMT
Dave was talking about unamplified jazz performances but the same still applies.
As soon as you record it then it is no longer going to sound like it did live. It will sound like a recording of a live event. And that's not the same thing.
You could make a simple recording of a mate playing, say, a piano, just use a crossed pair of mics and then make a file copy of it without any eq or compression and play it back, see how close that is to the real thing. You'll need some big and very good speakers to get close to capturing the dynamics ofc. But no professional recordings are made like that! The reason being they will sound Sh#t on most equipment.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 21, 2019 12:13:54 GMT
Even unamplified jazz has issues. You don’t want to be near a trumpet or even a sax at times. SPLs are still way over the top in an enclosed space. It also says nothing about vocals which are almost always amplified. I just don’t want a live music experience at home. It would be a racket in a small space.
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