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Post by macca on Aug 28, 2020 17:21:53 GMT
Good choice if you're listening to the Stranglers.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 28, 2020 17:45:35 GMT
Hahahaha
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 28, 2020 20:54:44 GMT
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Post by zleepy on Aug 29, 2020 6:59:28 GMT
Wow!! That looks really classy! But I am confused. Why an Avalon phonostage and not your own BB3?
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2020 7:06:47 GMT
Wow!! That looks really classy! But I am confused. Why an Avalon phonostage and not your own BB3? /Karl The Avalon is a solid state phonostage, and the BB3 is Valve. I wanted one of each type. The Avalon is a superb Phonostage and it is deserving of a spot here. Also, it will allow me some freedom to keep messing with the BB3, and not lose vinyl replay while I do it. I don't eat the same flavour of crisps all the time, so same thinking applies here.
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Post by zleepy on Aug 29, 2020 7:16:44 GMT
Ah, makes sense.If it’s solid state it won’t be as sensitive to hum sources as a valve stage either.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2020 7:45:01 GMT
Ah, makes sense.If it’s solid state it won’t be as sensitive to hum sources as a valve stage either. /K Everyone should have a high level solid-state phonostage, which has been the goal for a while. Also, it'll fit nicely into the case..hence the size of the box lol
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 28, 2020 20:18:29 GMT
I've been waiting for these
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 28, 2020 20:44:51 GMT
Nice little doddery, whats the accuracy of the inverse curve?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 28, 2020 20:54:55 GMT
Nice little doddery, whats the accuracy of the inverse curve? Well they say if you use all 0.1% parts, it's around +/-0.1db I think, but can't be 100% on that. "(Accuracy) improves by a factor of √2 for every doubling of components used to make up the desired value. So by way of an example, if 2 1% 100pF capacitors are paralleled to create a 200 pF capacitor, the probable network tolerance improves to 0.707%. Place 4 in parallel, and the probable tolerance is ~0.5%, while 10 in parallel will result in about 0.35% tolerance. The network tolerance will be better than the worst case tolerance of the components used – and that is the main reason or using this technique. This approach works for series/parallel combinations as well, as shown for the 1.5nF capacitor in Figure 3 below. It is also important to note that the worst case tolerance of a network as described is that of the individual components – so if you use 1% resistors, your worst case tolerance will be 1%, while the nominal and likely accuracy will most likely be according to the effects of paralleling (or placing in series) as discussed above. The IRN uses all SMD components which are mounted on a simple single sided PCB. The PCB must be mounted inside a conductive metal enclosure – mild steel is recommended since it will offer some magnetic shielding, although diecast aluminum is a suitable second choice is the former is not available. You will need two PCB’s for a stereo test IRN. Use good quality phono connectors for the inputs and outputs to ensure a high quality connection and make sure the connectors are isolated from the housing to prevent earth loops. A separate earth bond point should be run from the housing to the earth bond of the phono amp under test. Listed below are the required parts from Mouser. All the capacitors are NPO/COG types rated at 0.5 and 1%. If you can afford tighter tolerances, that is a step you should consider for even greater accuracy. Standard 1% resistors have been specified and selection to tighter tolerances can also bring benefits beyond the quoted 0.025% nominal accuracy of this IRN" Better than 0.025%..........i knew it was decent lol
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Post by bigbird on Sept 29, 2020 20:12:37 GMT
I've been waiting for these Nice remote 😜 but what does it do ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2020 20:56:51 GMT
I've been waiting for these Nice remote 😜 but what does it do ? This is an IRN....inverse RIAA Network. Effectively, the more accurate this is, the more accurately you can measure the RIAA accuracy of a Phonostage. What I intend to do with it is what's going to be interesting. That's all to come though.
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Post by bigbird on Sept 29, 2020 21:04:36 GMT
Nice remote 😜 but what does it do ? This is an IRN....inverse RIAA Network. Effectively, the more accurate this is, the more accurately you can measure the RIAA accuracy of a Phonostage. What I intend to do with it is what's going to be interesting. That's all to come though. Can you say that in English please 😜😂 I will wait and see what you’ve got up that big sleeve of yours
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 29, 2020 21:24:09 GMT
This is an IRN....inverse RIAA Network. Effectively, the more accurate this is, the more accurately you can measure the RIAA accuracy of a Phonostage. What I intend to do with it is what's going to be interesting. That's all to come though. Can you say that in English please 😜😂 I will wait and see what you’ve got up that big sleeve of yours Hahaha, Ok, ill try
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Post by rexton on Sept 30, 2020 18:04:13 GMT
Should make an interesting piece of kit, could you measure the RIAA accuracy of any Phonostage? Be interesting to see what a Paradise measures.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 30, 2020 18:23:54 GMT
Should make an interesting piece of kit, could you measure the RIAA accuracy of any Phonostage? Be interesting to see what a Paradise measures. Oh yes....I will be able to measure any Phonostage. Including my own, which I will do first and publish the unfiltered outcome. I have a bit of learning to do first as there is far more capability in the Oscilloscope I bought than I am able to concentrate on at the minute. I have two very experienced and knowledgeable guides on this subject and will be consulting them thoroughly before doing anything else. Thought it may be interesting to have a kind of less intense Analogue version of ASR? Measurements, technical details for the lay man (like me) and maybe a needle drop. That bit Inspired by CageyH. I have a few more pieces of the puzzle to but together yet, like a decent soundcard for my laptop. It'll happen, just not sure when.
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Post by rexton on Oct 1, 2020 20:47:15 GMT
Keep up the good work Amigo!
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 1, 2020 22:41:22 GMT
I've been waiting for these Parts on the way for this now...looking forward to giving it a go
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 2, 2020 11:38:07 GMT
Still awaiting the SMD parts but thought I'd have a quick play with the layout between building cables.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 19, 2020 11:33:51 GMT
Picked up some rockwool panels from a member of HWW for FREE!!
Pretty bloody obviously that they work lol
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Post by jimbo on Oct 19, 2020 15:58:00 GMT
Like it.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 19, 2020 16:14:35 GMT
These panels have changed the bloody game here....I'll do a thorough post on them but the difference they have made in my rudimentary placement of them is confusing my mind, Jim. I have never....NEVER heard the backing vocalists as separate individuals on Eric Clapton Unplugged before, yet as of right now, I can pick out what sound like three separate voices. I'm going to watch the video of it later (first time ever) and see if I'm right....but it's so clear and obvious that they are separate people.....I should've listen to DSJR a while back when he suggested acoustic panels. Maybe I'll flog the 686 and buy a Crown amp....think I've found a new Guru.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 17:52:34 GMT
I am not surprised with a hard surface like glass behind the speakers.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 19, 2020 18:00:17 GMT
You have had plenty of hints stored in the back of your mind from Steves visit. No one on the planet uses as much acoustic panelling as he does apart from Taylor Wimpey!
Room acoustics work substantially and although your room is small I am sure controlling some of the bass and other frequencies will improve imaging and detail?
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 19, 2020 18:09:12 GMT
I am not surprised with a hard surface like glass behind the speakers. Make do with what we've been dealt, don't we.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 19, 2020 18:15:03 GMT
You have had plenty of hints stored in the back of your mind from Steves visit. No one on the planet uses as much acoustic panelling as he does apart from Taylor Wimpey! Room acoustics work substantially and although your room is small I am sure controlling some of the bass and other frequencies will improve imaging and detail? Yup, Steve's room has been on my mind for some time, and we both know that room treatment can pay dividends. What I hadn't surmised was how bloody effective it would be in this small space. I had it in mind that the larger rooms needed it more, because of how much space there is, but in truth, this little room of mine has been converted into what sounds like a much bigger space Better resolution, better individual space in the soundstage, which is now sounding less attached to the speakers and an actual image. Depth, transparency.... literally everything you can think of has been pulled up by the bootlaces. Bass............still audibly resonating via the floor boards, but even more so now as the rest of the mush has been largely removed. It's made it clear that I need to deal with that next. However, LF detail is unreal. I don't think I've actually heard these speakers before. BTW, I know I've only scratched the surface, but I am now going to fully immerse myself in the ins and outs of room treatment ready for my next big HiFi investment.
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Post by macca on Oct 19, 2020 18:28:03 GMT
Passive room treatment is a real rabbit hole. Even the experts don't agree on one clear way forward. It's a massive subject in its own right. Hundreds of hours of reading. I've done a bit of it but only enough to know how much I don't know.
What have you got under your speakers at the moment, just spikes into the carpet?
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 19, 2020 18:33:58 GMT
Passive room treatment is a real rabbit hole. Even the experts don't agree on one clear way forward. It's a massive subject in its own right. Hundreds of hours of reading. I've done a bit of it but only enough to know how much I don't know. What have you got under your speakers at the moment, just spikes into the carpet? Oh I know it's a huge subject. Like everything I suppose it's all about what the ears tell you. Mine are telling me to sort the bass out lol Yes, just spikes into the floor, through the carpet
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 18:35:19 GMT
I am not surprised with a hard surface like glass behind the speakers. Make do with what we've been dealt, don't we. Agreed. But those acoustic panels must make a massive difference. I have been toying with the idea of a nice looking acoustic panel above my sofa, as I also have a less than perfect listening space. The sofa is hard up against the rear wall.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 19, 2020 18:39:54 GMT
Make do with what we've been dealt, don't we. Agreed. But those acoustic panels must make a massive difference. I have been toying with the idea of a nice looking acoustic panel above my sofa, as I also have a less than perfect listening space. The sofa is hard up against the rear wall. Do it and don't hesitate lol They have made an unreal level of difference.... honestly, I'm still listening and have been since 13.45 today. It's mind boggling how much detail was being hidden by the mush... Speaker feet next.
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