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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2023 17:57:52 GMT
Screen replacement very simple with parts around $18 from Aliexpress if so inclined, where you nt using AES before then Oli? I was using the same silver BNC to RCA I made, which has worked fabulously well with the Kenwood CDT. The X50D does not sound as good with SPDIF, that I am 100% confident of.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2023 17:58:53 GMT
Is this the biggest U turn since ticket office closures were stopped? 🤔🤣 It could be, although Silver cables have not landed a blow on my XR-3000 PC-TRIPLE C interconnects. Far from it.
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Post by gninnam on Oct 31, 2023 17:59:08 GMT
Sounds to me like the TEAC may not be for purchasing then based on your findings so far?
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Post by misterc on Oct 31, 2023 19:47:49 GMT
Screen replacement very simple with parts around $18 from Aliexpress if so inclined, where you nt using AES before then Oli? I was using the same silver BNC to RCA I made, which has worked fabulously well with the Kenwood CDT. The X50D does not sound as good with SPDIF, that I am 100% confident of. I have always stated that the AES is it's best modus operandi, there is a reason for that if you look at the DOB.
The is a reason why the Kenwood and other CDTs of that ilk / age would also prefer sdif as well, you could with a CDT use a much better clocking solution as a full DOB which would also eliminate a lot of the induced noise after the clock to the SPDIF output.
Between 1996 & 2010 I genuinelly lost count of how many DOB's I fitted to just about everything, From Pioneers to Wadia's always a very positive upgraded imho
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2023 19:59:20 GMT
Sounds to me like the TEAC may not be for purchasing then based on your findings so far? Well, if we look at it, I am still not back to the point I was at when macca visited me as the new X50D doesn't have the LPSU in yet. Everything else is as it was on that day, and I know the LPSU will improve things again...but the TEAC CDT was, IMO, better (It was marginal TBF) than the fully pimped X50D I had at the time. The thing I had hoped to achieve in this revisit was to get that vibrancy and bite of the TEAC, which is essentially where it pipped the X50D Using the Kenwood has been interesting. It's a seriously good device, but the change from Clearer Audio cable to the new Solid Core Silver Cable really opened up the sound and took things on another few steps. I had hoped that installing the same cable on the X50D would do the same and give me the bite and crunch of the TEAC, but it hasn't. The X50D sounds far more vibrant using the WW7 PC-OCC copper cable. It's better than the Kenwood with silver cable in that configuration, but put the silver Coax cable on the X50D and the Kenwood is better. It's reaction to the cable is quite shocking to be fair. My hope is that the outlay for the Wireworld Platinum 8 AES/EBU will give me what i want, and render the need to buy the TEAC redundant. However, i have no way of knowing..but as of right now, i am not so invested in this experiment that i am going to lose any money so i am happy to push it a little further yet with the LPSU. CD's in my little room are proving to be a pain to house, but i will if i have to. I genuinely haven't heard a better digital sound than the one macca and i had going on here. I will buy a TEAC IF i have to because i want that sound, and if buying the TEAC is the only way to get it...so be it! New cable on the way:
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2023 20:00:01 GMT
I was using the same silver BNC to RCA I made, which has worked fabulously well with the Kenwood CDT. The X50D does not sound as good with SPDIF, that I am 100% confident of. I have always stated that the AES is it's best modus operandi, there is a reason for that if you look at the DOB. The is a reason why the Kenwood and other CDTs of that ilk / age would also prefer sdif as well, you could with a CDT use a much better clocking solution as a full DOB which would also eliminate a lot of the induced noise after the clock to the SPDIF output. Between 1996 & 2010 I genuinelly lost count of how many DOB's I fitted to just about everything, From Pioneers to Wadia's always a very positive upgraded imho
DOB?
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Post by bencat on Nov 1, 2023 13:11:16 GMT
Digital Output Board ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 1, 2023 13:12:46 GMT
Ah....well done. I couldn't think of an acronym lol
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 1, 2023 23:22:09 GMT
Blatantly stole this idea from Martin on TAS, but I'm sure he won't mind as it's a poor man's version lol It's actually quite helpful to see it laid out like that as you can kind of see it in total, rather than just seeing the front of the rack etc. Also allows me to see what I have forgotten to do lol....SAEC STRATOSPHERE anyone?? Quite useful.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 11:37:13 GMT
For the last few days i have been attempting to find the bite and crunch from the X50D that macca and i got from his TEAC CDT. As you may recall, the vibrancy, impact and dynamics of the TEAC was a step ahead of the X50D i had at the time, and opted to sell it and buy a TEAC. Well that looks to be dead in the water, as after 3 days, 6 cables and umpteen tracks....i think i have it. The glaring oversight of that comparison is that i didn't try the X50D with the RCA to RCA cable we had used on the TEAC, and whilst i still haven't done that, i have done something else which appears to have unlocked the door to the performance attributes I am after, even if not 100% the same. But first, lets talk about the Wireworld Eclipse Platinum 8 cable. The cable arrived last week and I got straight to listening to it. Wow...simply unreal performance on so many aspects. For one, the soundstage was SOOOOO holographic. It is leaps and bounds ahead of any cable i have had here. It's almost like the system is full of those hologram projectors in Star Wars, and sound is appearing and floating in front of you. It's quite extraordinary and certainly unlike anything that has come before it. The detail too is beyond the realms of any cable I have tried. Listening to Radiohead's "Subterranean Homesick Alien" is otherworldly. I haven't heard digital behave this way since I listened to a Lampizator GoldenGate on the end of some extreme valve amplifiers, that was the most holographic system I have ever heard, and I reckon this got to about 70% of that in a MUCH smaller room. I would LOVE to know what it would do in a bigger one. However, it's not all good news. In the not so distant past, I sold a pair of pure silver AES cables as the LF was simply too much for my room. The Wireworld cable is also demonstrating this tendency, and I cannot crank the volume up without it becoming overbearing and insufferable. Believe me when I say this, I am devastated that his is happening, and i have no idea why a silver AES cable would behave so different to a Copper one, but it does. I LOVE this cable...but the room does not. So, This led me to experiment with what i already have, and i think i may have cracked it. In the chain next were two Clearer Audio 75ohm cables. Yes, i have lost a chunk of hologram like presentation, and no, it's definitely not as floaty, but now the drums are incredibly impactful and dynamic, with a real sense of contact and tactility. Brass is rasping and throaty and the first contact of plectrum on guitar string is very accurately presented. If only i could have it all....well, maybe I can. As a last option of testing, i have now gone for one Sterling Silver 75ohm cable between X50D and Mutec, and one Clearer Audio cable between Mutec and Aqvox. I am now somewhere between the two sounds with excellent hologram imaging and retained 99% of the impact and dynamics. This has led me to conclude one thing....75ohm cable appears to be doing something that AES has not so far. Over the next few days I intend to make another Sterling Silver 75ohm cable and try a full silver loom in the chain. This should tell me even more about which direction to go in, but i think i already know....SAEC STRATOSPHERE PC-CCC BNC cables. Why not chase the BEST COPPER IN THE WORLD and spend more on two cables than most people do on speakers in their lifetime, just for the privilege I am sure that would get some folks chins wagging Anyway, all this cable swapping got me thinking about what else may be out there and who better to ask than our resident digital guidepost than MisterC. Funnily enough, Tony wouldn't recommend anything for me, as "you are VERY particular" which made me chortle, but he did mention that the problem with my system is the 686, which is "too dry" I genuinely do not believe it to be the case, certainly not in my experience. I think in systems where there is a component mismatch, yeah, the sound could be too dry, but is that the sole fault of the amplifier? No, not in my book. I have always found the 686 to be as true to the phrase "straight wire with gain" as you could hope for. It simply amplifies the sound you feed it, and does so without stamping a sound signature on it. However, it did get me to thinking that the only other amplifier i have had here since i built the 686 was a Croft 5, which was superb, but not 686 superb. Surely i should be having a look at trying some amplification and seeing if the 686 really is as good as i think. So, the first amplifiers i found that were of interest were Longdog Audio P6 monoblocks, which are currently on eBay for £2.5K. A brief conflab with phonomac ruled them out, but from that conversation came a great suggestion... "How about a Purifi" Well, 10 minutes later and one has been purchased and should be here on Wednesday, all being well. The ASR crowd moisten at the talk of these measurement monsters, which i believe are second only to the Benchmark amplifiers on the chart over there. Lets see what happens against the 686!
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Post by misterc on Nov 6, 2023 11:41:16 GMT
Oddly enough I have a pair of the Long Dog monop's of interested Oli
The Purifi will be different, whether you like them, only that particular listening gene you have will let you know!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 11:56:29 GMT
Oddly enough I have a pair of the Long Dog monop's of interested Oli The Purifi will be different, whether you like them, only that particular listening gene you have will let you know!! Haha, I am a wierdo T....no doubt there. I wouldn't mind a loan of those Longdogs...if I like them, you know Id snap them up at the right price Are you in the Midland's at any point soon? I am attending a private bakeoff soon, I'd be happy to take them with me.
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Post by lurch on Nov 6, 2023 14:31:42 GMT
If the audition of my MLs goes well on Wednesday (and they sell) then my GamuT D200 mk2 will be going spare. Brendan (BB3 man) is, coming to my BO on the 19th so could get it up to Coventry for you to pick up and try.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 15:28:01 GMT
If the audition of my MLs goes well on Wednesday (and they sell) then my GamuT D200 mk2 will be going spare. Brendan (BB3 man) is, coming to my BO on the 19th so could get it up to Coventry for you to pick up and try. Yeah, I'm up for that....but how do we get it back to you if it fails to woo me? Maybe back via Brendan? He's a good fella, I'm sure he won't mind 😉
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2023 18:50:22 GMT
Changing your power amp is your worst idea yet.
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Post by stevew on Nov 6, 2023 19:19:37 GMT
Changing your power amp is your worst idea yet. You tell ‘im
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 19:19:40 GMT
Changing your power amp is your worst idea yet. Oh, I agree. Listening tonight and there is absolutely F#ck all wrong with the amp or sound, especially now I've sorted the cables out. Thankfully, I can now treat the Purifi as a curiosity and enjoy a listen.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 19:20:05 GMT
Changing your power amp is your worst idea yet. You tell ‘im 🤣
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2023 19:44:21 GMT
I'm just wondering -have you heard your Arke speakers in a considerably better room?
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 20:02:29 GMT
I'm just wondering -have you heard your Arke speakers in a considerably better room? Yes, and they were considerably better 🤣 There is nothing wrong with the speakers, or amp.
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Post by electronumpty on Nov 6, 2023 20:14:35 GMT
"There is nothing wrong with the speakers, or amp."
Just keep telling yourself that....
(Waits for Purifi orgasm)
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2023 20:42:50 GMT
I'm just wondering -have you heard your Arke speakers in a considerably better room? Yes, and they were considerably better 🤣 There is nothing wrong with the speakers, or amp. Right. They're great - when I was down there last month all I was thinking was your room is the only limitation now. Maybe look at doing something more sophisticated with the treatment? Do something to damp the floor down a bit more? I think you could still make real and significant gains there, forget the component and cable swapping for a bit?
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 20:44:16 GMT
Yes, and they were considerably better 🤣 There is nothing wrong with the speakers, or amp. Right. They're great - when I was down there last month all I was thinking was your room is the only limitation now. Maybe look at doing something more sophisticated with the treatment? Do something to damp the floor down a bit more? I think you could still make real and significant gains there, forget the component and cable swapping for a bit? They are great, I agree. Ok, more sophisticated treatment....tell me more.
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2023 21:08:10 GMT
Right. They're great - when I was down there last month all I was thinking was your room is the only limitation now. Maybe look at doing something more sophisticated with the treatment? Do something to damp the floor down a bit more? I think you could still make real and significant gains there, forget the component and cable swapping for a bit? They are great, I agree. Ok, more sophisticated treatment....tell me more. I don't know mate. It's complex subject and I just don't know enough about it to offer you specifics that will work in your situation. You'd have to do some research. I think making your floor more solid would be a big gain but again you need to ask someone with specific builder type skills as to what the best solution would be there.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 21:09:32 GMT
They are great, I agree. Ok, more sophisticated treatment....tell me more. I don't know mate. It's complex subject and I just don't know enough about it to offer you specifics that will work in your situation. You'd have to do some research. I think making your floor more solid would be a big gain but again you need to ask someone with specific builder type skills as to what the best solution would be there. Ok, fair enough. I'll do some research, see what I can do
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Post by Arke on Nov 6, 2023 21:21:50 GMT
I don't know mate. It's complex subject and I just don't know enough about it to offer you specifics that will work in your situation. You'd have to do some research. I think making your floor more solid would be a big gain but again you need to ask someone with specific builder type skills as to what the best solution would be there. Ok, fair enough. I'll do some research, see what I can do I did some quick measurements when at yours, I'll dig them out. From memory, a big room mode at 42Hz and a large suckout around 70-120Hz.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 6, 2023 21:22:51 GMT
Ok, fair enough. I'll do some research, see what I can do I did some quick measurements when at yours, I'll dig them out. From memory, a big room mode at 42Hz and a large suckout around 70-120Hz. Not sure what can be done about the mode
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Post by Arke on Nov 6, 2023 21:26:42 GMT
I did some quick measurements when at yours, I'll dig them out. From memory, a big room mode at 42Hz and a large suckout around 70-120Hz. Not sure what can be done about the mode Stiffening up the floor (probably pricey) would deffo help, but I doubt it'll do much to the room mode or suckout.
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Post by brucew268 on Nov 6, 2023 21:34:24 GMT
Not sure what can be done about the mode Stiffening up the floor (probably pricey) would deffo help, but I doubt it'll do much to the room mode or suckout. I'd think the Townshend speaker stands would more than compensate for the flexy floor. Is there any fix for room modes except to move the speakers a few inches out of their way, at least marginally?
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Post by Arke on Nov 6, 2023 21:43:17 GMT
Stiffening up the floor (probably pricey) would deffo help, but I doubt it'll do much to the room mode or suckout. I'd think the Townshend speaker stands would more than compensate for the flexy floor. Is there any fix for room modes except to move the speakers a few inches out of their way, at least marginally? Yes, I'm sure the Townshends will help a lot - I know Oli wouldn't be without them. Oli doesn't have much scope for moving the speakers much. Pulling them well fwd and away from side walls would help, but simply isn't feasible in his room. Other options are bass traps (which have helped) and using speakers with active bass control. Another option is to plug the ports on the speakers and use a sub (with tuneable bass at specific frequencies) to fill in and remove energy at the room mode peak. However, this is very difficult to get right (phase and integration) and many speakers can sound dry and (a little) unnatural with the ports bunged.
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