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Post by lurch on Sept 12, 2022 17:04:29 GMT
Yep I know that feeling, big plans & no wedge, been planning things for the last couple of years. Worst bit is in order for those plans to come to fruition is waiting for the inevitable, the passing of me mum who's 94.
Once that does happen I will own my current place and outright, (a detached 4 bed Edwardian on a 50'x100' plot) and my sister will get her place in Portsmouth.
Plan is to sell site for development and buy a bungalow which I will convert to a musicroom with accommodation. With any luck said bungalow will be (as my father put it) somewhere up the arsehole of beyond, so there's no-one around to annoy me with barking dogs or screaming brats.
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Sept 12, 2022 17:22:22 GMT
And what makes that an issue? Just googling and can't seem to find an issue? I'm not convinced there is an issue. It's common building practice to do internal and external insulation on walls. Both have pros and cons - both can be done reliably and effectively if done correctly. High thermal mass will take longer to get to heated room temperature. However, once at temperature, the room will stay warm for longer. Very, efficient eco homes use very high thermal masses to store heat from solar gain and retain that energy for long periods. Yes, our bungalow behaved in this very way during that recent hot spell. The rooms stayed uncomfortably warm long after the sun went down. Like living in a giant storage heater. I feel sure that if the garage was insulated externally with heating at a constant low level, the insulation would stop the bricks from releasing the heat into the outdoors. I could be wrong though, it's happened before  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 12, 2022 17:31:00 GMT
I'm not convinced there is an issue. It's common building practice to do internal and external insulation on walls. Both have pros and cons - both can be done reliably and effectively if done correctly. High thermal mass will take longer to get to heated room temperature. However, once at temperature, the room will stay warm for longer. Very, efficient eco homes use very high thermal masses to store heat from solar gain and retain that energy for long periods. Yes, our bungalow behaved in this very way during that recent hot spell. The rooms stayed uncomfortably warm long after the sun went down. Like living in a giant storage heater. I feel sure that if the garage was insulated externally with heating at a constant low level, the insulation would stop the bricks from releasing the heat into the outdoors. I could be wrong though, it's happened before I think you're right and maybe that's the point K was making? That said, the plans off lol |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Sept 12, 2022 17:33:02 GMT
heating - small wood burner for a small space would be cheaper. I was just thinking that - relatively cheap heating, and you can 'bank' it overnight so the room has some low level heat all the time. Only drawback I can foresee is the sound of the burning logs buggering up your noise floor when listening to your set up. |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Sept 12, 2022 17:36:10 GMT
heating - small wood burner for a small space would be cheaper. I like this idea a lot. This now has legs. Think you'll find logs burn better. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 12, 2022 17:43:37 GMT
I like this idea a lot. This now has legs. Think you'll find logs burn better. hahaha, class |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Sept 12, 2022 17:50:02 GMT
buy a bungalow which I will convert to a musicroom with accommodation.  Just brilliant, that's what we all want truth be told. |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Sept 12, 2022 18:19:30 GMT
I'm stating the obvious really, but if and when you do move house Oli, do all you can to get a detached place, or at very least something that will keep your listening room far away from next door.
My mother used to live in a small semi, and the wall separating her lounge from next door was only single brick. I used to visit her of a Friday, and we could hear the old bloke next door watching Bruce's Play Your Cards Right. We could hear him shouting at the telly "Higher! Higher... you silly sod I told you to go higher!
The downside was her love of music, particularly Queen and Alice Cooper, and her Ditton 15XRs never got to stretch their legs. Something like your Concept 500s would probably have given the old guy a stroke.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 14, 2022 19:08:45 GMT
I'm stating the obvious really, but if and when you do move house Oli, do all you can to get a detached place, or at very least something that will keep your listening room far away from next door. My mother used to live in a small semi, and the wall separating her lounge from next door was only single brick. I used to visit her of a Friday, and we could hear the old bloke next door watching Bruce's Play Your Cards Right. We could hear him shouting at the telly "Higher! Higher... you silly sod I told you to go higher! The downside was her love of music, particularly Queen and Alice Cooper, and her Ditton 15XRs never got to stretch their legs. Something like your Concept 500s would probably have given the old guy a stroke. Good points Ste. I am sure it will happen one day, but in the meantime...... |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 14, 2022 19:09:14 GMT
.........I have been experimenting today:  |
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Post by rexton on Sept 14, 2022 19:29:04 GMT
You've entered a bloody minefield, can't you just buy a decent grapghic equaliser and have done with it (and no I'm not taking the piss).
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Post by electronumpty on Sept 14, 2022 19:37:26 GMT
Reminds me of my mates old squat. Carpets for curtains🤣
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Sept 14, 2022 20:48:35 GMT
.........I have been experimenting today: I quite like the guitar-shaped absorption panels, not sure how effective they would be though. And what's going on with all those insulation bats? It's a look that shouts "confirmed bachelor!" I'd assumed you were married but the giant size bottle of massage oil on the hearth suggests you might be expecting company  Have you got some Barry White CDs to go with it... |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 14, 2022 20:51:11 GMT
.........I have been experimenting today: I quite like the guitar-shaped absorption panels, not sure how effective they would be though. And what's going on with all those insulation bats? It's a look that shouts "confirmed bachelor!" I'd assumed you were married but the giant size bottle of massage oil on the hearth suggests you might be expecting company Have you got some Barry White CDs to go with it... That's quite the picture you've painted 🤣 Sounds fun tbh lol |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 14, 2022 20:53:00 GMT
You've entered a bloody minefield, can't you just buy a decent grapghic equaliser and have done with it (and no I'm not taking the piss). I cannot think of why that would be the answer to anything, Other than changing the tonality of something, which I am not trying to do. The panels and blanket are just to absorb reflections...which they do. Tonality hasn't changed, but the SQ has. |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Sept 14, 2022 20:58:41 GMT
You've entered a bloody minefield, can't you just buy a decent grapghic equaliser and have done with it (and no I'm not taking the piss). Speaking of equalisers, someone mentioned to me today the existence of some eq devices made by Schiit (called Loki). Has anyone any knowledge or experience of these? Look quite interesting. |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Sept 14, 2022 21:07:36 GMT
I'm stating the obvious really, but if and when you do move house Oli, do all you can to get a detached place, or at very least something that will keep your listening room far away from next door. My mother used to live in a small semi, and the wall separating her lounge from next door was only single brick. I used to visit her of a Friday, and we could hear the old bloke next door watching Bruce's Play Your Cards Right. We could hear him shouting at the telly "Higher! Higher... you silly sod I told you to go higher! The downside was her love of music, particularly Queen and Alice Cooper, and her Ditton 15XRs never got to stretch their legs. Something like your Concept 500s would probably have given the old guy a stroke. Good points Ste. I am sure it will happen one day, but in the meantime......In the meantime enjoy the journey, and the destination will take care of itself. Ooh that's a bit deep, think it's time for me bed  |
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Post by antonio on Sept 15, 2022 4:19:53 GMT
Have those 'home improvements' improved the sound? What is on the back wall? Do you need 4 panels and have you tried moving them into different positions yet?
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Post by optical on Sept 15, 2022 7:32:24 GMT
You've entered a bloody minefield, can't you just buy a decent grapghic equaliser and have done with it (and no I'm not taking the piss). Having spent some considerable time doing just this, it can work . . . or at least you think it's worked . . . . Then, when you take it out of the chain, you realise that something about the signal was just unnatural by comparison (because it's been run through a processor/analogue/digital whatever). You can get a nice (perceived) improvement, but it's no substitute for proper treatment, it's always a band-aid solution in my opinion and experience. If you have 'severe' problems and can't use the appropriate treatment, then it can be the best solution. But those situations are rare. Where it does come in 'handy' is if you have a normal home environment (lounge/living room) and need to cure some bass peaks/treble splash/smearing and don't want to upset aesthetics or indeed spouses etc. They seem to be far more tolerant of another box on the shelf than rock-wool on the walls and bass traps in the corners . . . . |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2022 8:04:49 GMT
Have those 'home improvements' improved the sound? What is on the back wall? Do you need 4 panels and have you tried moving them into different positions yet? Initially i havent been looking for improvements as such. The protoype Valvezilla is still in the system, so i have only been listening for noticeable changes to the sound, which have been plentiful! I will be putting the BT2 back into the system today and will experiment a little more later on, but as of yet, i have just plonked four panels in at around the right sort of area, according to the recommendations of online experimentors, and i'll go from there. The plan is to add and reposition until it sounds worse....which is basically the only way of doing it without mics and software. |
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Post by antonio on Sept 15, 2022 8:28:42 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2022 8:42:54 GMT
Don't forget moving them 1cm can alter the sound.    I don't know anything to forget yet lol |
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Post by rexton on Sept 15, 2022 16:54:00 GMT
Initially i havent been looking for improvements as such. The protoype Valvezilla is still in the system, so i have only been listening for noticeable changes to the sound, which have been plentiful! I will be putting the BT2 back into the system today and will experiment a little more later on, but as of yet, i have just plonked four panels in at around the right sort of area, according to the recommendations of online experimentors, and i'll go from there. The plan is to add and reposition until it sounds worse....which is basically the only way of doing it without mics and software. So what have you noticed so far? |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2022 19:46:28 GMT
Initially i havent been looking for improvements as such. The protoype Valvezilla is still in the system, so i have only been listening for noticeable changes to the sound, which have been plentiful! I will be putting the BT2 back into the system today and will experiment a little more later on, but as of yet, i have just plonked four panels in at around the right sort of area, according to the recommendations of online experimentors, and i'll go from there. The plan is to add and reposition until it sounds worse....which is basically the only way of doing it without mics and software. So what have you noticed so far? Chatting to Optical earlier helped me kinda figure out what I was trying to fathom. The room itself has taken on a kind of "calming" atmosphere. Sitting there in the day earlier on when the house was quiet was ok, but when the kids came home and the house was busier, the room was still peaceful. Playing some material from Blitzen Trapper, it was the first time I can honestly say Ive heard it properly. EVERYTHING is clearer, more precisely positioned, easier to pick out micro and macro details, individual vocals on harmonies etc. Miniscule clicks, taps and things that create a little ear catching moment....they now have the same precision. The same resolution. It's just a way cleaner soundstage. Bass is tighter, more resolution, more detailed and therefore more textured, elastic and enriching. HF isn't anything other than organic. No.harshness, no peaky bits in the digital. Essentially it's reducing comb effect....or smearing...which you don't know you have until you reduce it. It affects everything and honestly, I hadn't realized how bad for the sound quality it is. It's really hard to describe, but it's like the soundstage now exists in a void. It's not perfect and I'm sure with experimentation I can improve it further, but the initial impact it's having tells me that we are absolutely off our rockers putting 686s, Avalon's and SP10s in our systems and NOT spending £100 on taming the room. In fact, I'm almost convinced it should be the first thing any of us shoe horn Into outr listening spaces. |
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Post by Arke on Sept 15, 2022 20:00:27 GMT
Some big heavy curtains behind your listening position will really help too.
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Post by optical on Sept 15, 2022 20:03:04 GMT
So what have you noticed so far? Chatting to Optical earlier helped me kinda figure out what I was trying to fathom. The room itself has taken on a kind of "calming" atmosphere. Sitting there in the day earlier on when the house was quiet was ok, but when the kids came home and the house was busier, the room was still peaceful. Playing some material from Blitzen Trapper, it was the first time I can honestly say Ive heard it properly. EVERYTHING is clearer, more precisely positioned, easier to pick out micro and macro details, individual vocals on harmonies etc. Miniscule clicks, taps and things that create a little ear catching moment....they now have the same precision. The same resolution. It's just a way cleaner soundstage. Bass is tighter, more resolution, more detailed and therefore more textured, elastic and enriching. HF isn't anything other than organic. No.harshness, no peaky bits in the digital. Essentially it's reducing comb effect....or smearing...which you don't know you have until you reduce it. It affects everything and honestly, I hadn't realized how bad for the sound quality it is. It's really hard to describe, but it's like the soundstage now exists in a void. It's not perfect and I'm sure with experimentation I can improve it further, but the initial impact it's having tells me that we are absolutely off our rockers putting 686s, Avalon's and SP10s in our systems and NOT spending £100 on taming the room. In fact, I'm almost convinced it should be the first thing any of us shoe horn Into outr listening spaces. Have you seen my avatar?! 🤣 Spot on mate, you ain't hearing your kit until you do it.... Unless you happen to have a very acoustically sympathetic room.... (Unlikely) |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2022 20:39:37 GMT
Some big heavy curtains behind your listening position will really help too. So glad it's made a big improvement. Yeah, I'm on the hunt for a pair. Quite a bit space. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 16:41:55 GMT
So this new DAC you are after…. Is it hand made in Italy?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 16, 2022 18:11:10 GMT
So this new DAC you are after…. Is it hand made in Italy? Not as far as I know? |
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Post by electronumpty on Sept 16, 2022 19:31:36 GMT
So this new DAC you are after…. Is it hand made in Italy? Not as far as I know? Hand made on the thighs of virgins? |
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Just brilliant, that's what we all want truth be told.
Have you got some Barry White CDs to go with it...
