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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 14, 2019 20:39:47 GMT
Yeah I loved it. Expensive though and I bought mine cheap so I cashed in.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 15, 2019 8:53:31 GMT
My beautiful forty miners!
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 15, 2019 8:56:08 GMT
Actually sound as good as any Kans I’ve heard in many years. That last pair must’ve had an issue because they ripped my ears off. These are “on the money” for Kans. Now all I have to do is make them look the part.....gulp!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 9:08:13 GMT
Actually sound as good as any Kans I’ve heard in many years. That last pair must’ve had an issue because they ripped my ears off. These are “on the money” for Kans. Now all I have to do is make them look the part.....gulp! I know what I'd do, fill and rub down any nicks, then spray the boxes with white car primer followed with a couple of coats of satin clear lacquer. Job done!
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 15, 2019 9:16:12 GMT
I’m probably gonna see how my veneering skills stand up. I fancy zebrano negro for these too, but I’m in no rush. The white paint appears to be emulsion, so should be easy to remove, not sure what’s underneath though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:46:35 GMT
Are the connectors on the back flat metal?
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 15, 2019 12:52:15 GMT
Nope they are earlier kans with binding posts. One is damaged so I might change them
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Post by dsjr on Aug 15, 2019 16:44:50 GMT
I take it you're good at ungluing the grilles and prising out the drivers as they're heavily mastic'd in with foul black tarry underseal stuff that got everywhere as I remember. I have an album of pics when I made my own Kans up in Drakemire drive (the old factories next door to each other) and I really must scan them. I just can't understand the appeal of Kans as they have absolutely naff-all bass at all, even if the glaring upper mids are room-tamed (earlier Kans were admittedly much better here, another downer on that sodding variable B110 thingie Linn used (and added extra PVA doping to incidentally). Even an LP12 in full fruitbox mode didn't do much to flesh 'em out. There should be *some* body of tone to instruments and taking this away is seen in some quarters as a more detailed clearer sound - the further up the Dynaudio ladder you seem to go, the less warmth and body the sound has so you end up with a clinically forensic presentation that isn't to me very natural at all...
Regarding the Nait 2, I honestly don't think you'll have enough power as it wimps out very early by today's standards and doesn't soft-clip(compress the sound) as charmingly as the mk1 did. Again, your mileage will almost certainly vary here but a Nait and Kans never floated our boats back then and we didn't sell many of this combination...
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 15, 2019 18:05:15 GMT
I take it you're good at ungluing the grilles and prising out the drivers as they're heavily mastic'd in with foul black tarry underseal stuff that got everywhere as I remember. I have an album of pics when I made my own Kans up in Drakemire drive (the old factories next door to each other) and I really must scan them. I just can't understand the appeal of Kans as they have absolutely naff-all bass at all, even if the glaring upper mids are room-tamed (earlier Kans were admittedly much better here, another downer on that sodding variable B110 thingie Linn used (and added extra PVA doping to incidentally). Even an LP12 in full fruitbox mode didn't do much to flesh 'em out. There should be *some* body of tone to instruments and taking this away is seen in some quarters as a more detailed clearer sound - the further up the Dynaudio ladder you seem to go, the less warmth and body the sound has so you end up with a clinically forensic presentation that isn't to me very natural at all... Regarding the Nait 2, I honestly don't think you'll have enough power as it wimps out very early by today's standards and doesn't soft-clip(compress the sound) as charmingly as the mk1 did. Again, your mileage will almost certainly vary here but a Nait and Kans never floated our boats back then and we didn't sell many of this combination...
Cheers, Dave. Yeah I’m fine with Kan DIY After 49 pairs I’ve seen it all lol. My mate had fitted hiquphons to the last pair of Kans. He said “it brought them to life”, but they sounded utterly terrible. Hard, glaring treble that neatly had my fillings out. I wrongly assumed either my ears had changed, or they were on the end of a system that spoke a different language. This pair are in the same system, same stands, same position and they are fun. They will never beat Spicas or even the Neats, but they are hugely entertaining and have all that Kan passion I love. The Nait 2 was super cheap, so it was a great chance to tick it off the list I might keep both as ornaments.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 16, 2019 8:45:00 GMT
I remember directly comparing the Scan tweeter with the Hiquphons. One glossy sparkle replaced by a little tinsel I remember (I did my DMS 'briks. There were slightly different versions of both types I think, so if he'd fitted the wrong one, the crossover would have changed and levels been all over the shop. One reason why I bang on about having a reference you can compare your changes to and I needed to do this when I finally sorted out the old BC2's I cannot part with. I lived for years with the tweeter set far too high it seems but now they sound great to me. Too close to the back wall though and my wife tells me with both speakers, the singer sounds as if they're singing out of their lunch box - cough - she's not wrong. Pull them too far forward for this room and that disappears, hence my looking at SBL's for more than a while...
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 16, 2019 11:00:17 GMT
I’ve always loved SBLs and they really do sit nicely in a room. My Isobratiks were very late ones which the owner had taken back to the dealer to have 4 Hiquphons replaced with Scanspeaks. I loved them, but never heard them in stock form.
Having had so many Kans, I’ve heard good and bad sounds from both types of tweeter. I particularly liked the last incarnation of the Kan II, but my best ever pair were the last Kan mk1. Even when identical spec, no two pairs sound the same. From what you’ve said, it seems to be the B110 that’s the variable.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 16, 2019 13:03:45 GMT
Both tweeters are old fashioned to me and Scan themselves had a superior version as used by Spendor and Pro-Ac. I suppose you needed a bit of gloss to go with the B110 driver squeak. Isobariks active showed just how intrusive a passive crossover can be I think and I have very fond memories of a very early 'bolt-up-Naim' PMS system that really worked well in a particular living room a pal had. The chipboard active 'Briks sounded so much better than their equivalent passive ones although the gap narrowed a bit with the last issue models with crossovers in a compartment in the back and then in the stands, but by then, the magic had gone I remember.
SBL's had expendibe cabinet arrangements but very cheap (although modified) main drivers and I just can't bring myself to do it...
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 16, 2019 15:41:12 GMT
Has anyone used a system in a conservatory before? Mine has dwarf walls and is about 11x12. It’s also a 6 sided Victorian style jobbie with a vaulted polycarbonate roof. It has new patio furniture already in there and I don’t want to make it look crowded or shite, but we never use it at all, so at least it would have a use.
Any thoughts on acoustics, practicalities etc? If it’s likely to sound poor, I won’t bother.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 16, 2019 15:43:39 GMT
Both tweeters are old fashioned to me and Scan themselves had a superior version as used by Spendor and Pro-Ac. I suppose you needed a bit of gloss to go with the B110 driver squeak. Isobariks active showed just how intrusive a passive crossover can be I think and I have very fond memories of a very early 'bolt-up-Naim' PMS system that really worked well in a particular living room a pal had. The chipboard active 'Briks sounded so much better than their equivalent passive ones although the gap narrowed a bit with the last issue models with crossovers in a compartment in the back and then in the stands, but by then, the magic had gone I remember. SBL's had expendibe cabinet arrangements but very cheap (although modified) main drivers and I just can't bring myself to do it... I still miss my Isobariks. They were such a rewarding listen and utterly beautiful to own. I realise they fail in lots of areas but they do some things so well, you just have to love them.
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Post by macca on Aug 16, 2019 17:09:46 GMT
Has anyone used a system in a conservatory before? Mine has dwarf walls and is about 11x12. It’s also a 6 sided Victorian style jobbie with a vaulted polycarbonate roof. It has new patio furniture already in there and I don’t want to make it look crowded or shite, but we never use it at all, so at least it would have a use. Any thoughts on acoustics, practicalities etc? If it’s likely to sound poor, I won’t bother. As long as you can put a rug on the floor and there are blinds to pull down over the windows it'll be fine.
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Post by macca on Aug 16, 2019 17:12:55 GMT
Those Kans look pretty good in white. I'd respray them the same and lacquer them up, I hate that Zebrano finish.
White is a very cool colour for kit I think. Makes it look expensive and sophisticated. Plus Space: 1999.
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Post by antonio on Aug 16, 2019 17:19:14 GMT
Both tweeters are old fashioned to me and Scan themselves had a superior version as used by Spendor and Pro-Ac. I suppose you needed a bit of gloss to go with the B110 driver squeak. Isobariks active showed just how intrusive a passive crossover can be I think and I have very fond memories of a very early 'bolt-up-Naim' PMS system that really worked well in a particular living room a pal had. The chipboard active 'Briks sounded so much better than their equivalent passive ones although the gap narrowed a bit with the last issue models with crossovers in a compartment in the back and then in the stands, but by then, the magic had gone I remember. SBL's had expendibe cabinet arrangements but very cheap (although modified) main drivers and I just can't bring myself to do it... I still miss my Isobariks. They were such a rewarding listen and utterly beautiful to own. I realise they fail in lots of areas but they do some things so well, you just have to love them. I'm lost for words Westie. I thought you'd seen the light, but you've been reading too many DSJR posts. I agree with Macca, white would look better in your room, almost disappearing in fact. Macca, did you see Space 1999 is coming back.
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Post by macca on Aug 16, 2019 17:26:16 GMT
I still miss my Isobariks. They were such a rewarding listen and utterly beautiful to own. I realise they fail in lots of areas but they do some things so well, you just have to love them. I'm lost for words Westie. I thought you'd seen the light, but you've been reading too many DSJR posts. I agree with Macca, white would look better in your room, almost disappearing in fact. Macca, did you see Space 1999 is coming back. Yeah but only on the radio and that doesn't work for me. The visuals were the thing that really made it I think. Brilliant design work. There's supposed to be a 'Space 2099' TV show in pre-production. Google it, they've got some images of what it will look like if they ever green light it.
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Post by karma67 on Aug 16, 2019 17:34:27 GMT
ive been watching the original mission impossable series in the early mornings before work,i kept thinking where have i seen that woman before?? space 1999! macca who is the woman in your avatar? its doing my head in where ive seen her before???
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Post by antonio on Aug 16, 2019 17:37:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 17:43:33 GMT
ive been watching the original mission impossable series in the early mornings before work,i kept thinking where have i seen that woman before?? space 1999! macca who is the woman in your avatar? its doing my head in where ive seen her before??? I know, but I'll let Martin answer. (it wasn't Space 1999)
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Post by macca on Aug 16, 2019 17:50:14 GMT
ive been watching the original mission impossable series in the early mornings before work,i kept thinking where have i seen that woman before?? space 1999! macca who is the woman in your avatar? its doing my head in where ive seen her before??? Col. Wilma Deering from 'Buck Rogers In The 25th Century' AKA actress Erin Gray. My pal Rick has actually met her. One of my youthful fantasies along with Catherine Bach (Daisy Duke) and Stephanie Powers. Left me with a lifelong thing for curvy redheads with perfect legs.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 16, 2019 17:58:35 GMT
Those Kans look pretty good in white. I'd respray them the same and lacquer them up, I hate that Zebrano finish. White is a very cool colour for kit I think. Makes it look expensive and sophisticated. Plus Space: 1999. I’m thinking the Zebrano will compliment the rug
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 16, 2019 18:00:16 GMT
Has anyone used a system in a conservatory before? Mine has dwarf walls and is about 11x12. It’s also a 6 sided Victorian style jobbie with a vaulted polycarbonate roof. It has new patio furniture already in there and I don’t want to make it look crowded or shite, but we never use it at all, so at least it would have a use. Any thoughts on acoustics, practicalities etc? If it’s likely to sound poor, I won’t bother. As long as you can put a rug on the floor and there are blinds to pull down over the windows it'll be fine. Yep I’ve got rug and blinds. I will give it a go. I will probably start with the DIY cubes. I don’t want the veneer on the Neats to fade and the Spicas need more space.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 16, 2019 18:02:52 GMT
My mate owed me a ton and has offered me some Spendor Preludes instead. My first ever Spendors at home. We used to play with these a lot in the shop because my colleague loved them.
They were a bit smooth for me but it will be fun to hear them again 32 years on. I will sell them on once I’ve had a play. Should be worth a ton or more.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 16, 2019 18:12:48 GMT
What do you mean by that exactly? I'm lost for words Westie. I thought you'd seen the light, but you've been reading too many DSJR posts.
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Post by antonio on Aug 17, 2019 5:02:49 GMT
Calm down Dave, it was only a light hearted post referring to your previous love of everything Linn and Naim.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 19, 2019 10:04:32 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Aug 19, 2019 10:25:06 GMT
You know and in a cack handed way, I like the look as they are - it's a kind of aged oak look to me. I suspect they were black ash all along? but the strong grain appeals to me.
My main experience good and bad with Kans (they sounded bass light in our dem room) was at a pal's house. The room was 24' x 11' and the kans were firing down the length of the room (usual LP12/Ittok/Asak/Naim 32,Snaps and then Hicap,250 amp) and they sounded fine here, the room adding a little warmth and the late '82 Kan mids not as shrill as they became later. When my pal went to March '83 Isobariks (MDF and 90 degree XLR connectors) I took the Kans home and in a small room and similar system, they sounded horribly bright to me. So did Ela's and Gale 301's which we liked in the dem room.
That's where I come from here. I love bass but not boom but can't live with no bass.
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Post by brian2957 on Aug 19, 2019 10:46:35 GMT
Yup , odd speakers Kans . Me and a mate used to frequent a hifi dealer in Glasgow called Maeto Music IIRC . The first time I heard the Kans they were stunning . We went back a few weeks later and heard them in the same room and they sounded awful . Can't remember which source and amp was being used each time but obviously what the Kans were being used with made a big difference to their SQ .
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