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Post by dsjr on Jul 21, 2019 11:32:34 GMT
I know a bit about audio and next to nothing about everything else, so pretty damned useless really. Thanks for kind comments though. Sorry to be a forum bore, which I know I can be.
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Post by macca on Jul 21, 2019 12:16:53 GMT
No keep going Dave, it gives us all something to disagree with
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Post by dsjr on Jul 21, 2019 13:43:38 GMT
Charming..
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Post by dsjr on Jul 21, 2019 13:54:17 GMT
A while back, I looked at the fifty year old shanked diamond elliptical stylus tips on my ADC's with a microscope. They really are superbly finished, so I'm not that certain we have advanced. Unless I'm mistaken, your ADC's were top range models? All my XLM/ZLM collection including Phase IV have nice tips on them. What I should have said is about lower down the ranges. Loads of period 'Choice reviews commenting as well, where modern bottom-line AT's plus relatives from Jico, have really nicely finished styli on them as viewed under a microscope (checking these bloody things was part of my job description ffs and we used microscopes rather than a useless loupe as many dealers did)
P.S. One of the best styli I ever saw was the original Dynavector Diamond (17D I believe today) where the diamond cantilever was better made and finished than most styli of the period! The stylus itself was an absolutely beautiful work of art and I wish I'd been able to take a decent picture of it!
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Post by dsjr on Jul 23, 2019 10:45:33 GMT
The AT20SLA was a top of the range MM cartridge. It comes with the original stylus, which is supposed to be in good condition. I bought it through eBay, so if it is crap, it will go back. It will be interesting to see how it compares to my EPC-205. I really like the sound of my AT cartridges, it I just can’t see myself spending the money required for a top of the range MC. With a young child in the house, it is too risky. Memories can be misleading - or I should say mine can be..
Back in the dark ages of the mid 80's, we sold loads of the Rega R100 cartridge (Sumiko Pearl is the current version of this now ancient MM design). Into our shrill systems back then, the R100 balanced beautifully (Stan Curtis measured it as 3db up in the low bass and 3db down at a nominal high frequency (maybe 20Hz and 20kHz I can't remember), so a 6db downtilt from bottom to top.
We had in the EPC 205III cartridge that was winning rave reviews all over and the Quad and 'BBC derivative speakers' people loved it. The mk2 version was too temperature sensitive but this was fixed with the III. We thought it sounded horrible, harsh, too bright and intense, the 205MC being a little more 'gracious' in comparison and preferable to us. Thing is, I have a R100 with good stylus here and can't stand the thing today, because of it's musical, heavy and dull balance. I wonder if my current stereo systems would work well with a 205III now?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 16:32:54 GMT
Horrible, harsh, too bright and intense is certainly not how I would describe the EPC-205. Just bear in mind I am one of the few who does not like the 2M Black.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 24, 2019 6:58:13 GMT
There you are you see. I like the 2M bronze as it's a bit 'funky,' at least in a current Planar 3, but as withthe 1042, I suspect the wrong player/arm would kill it.
Sad that Matsushita long ago discontinued styli for it, although I think Jico may well fit the bill here. Hope you find the 20SLa at least half decent if the stylus isn't badly worn (I have to say that when an old Ortofon goes off due to wear, it goes off big time in my experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 7:03:59 GMT
i had a 1042 back in 1986 in a dual cs505/2 and seemed to love it
i then bought one a few years back and tried it in me sme..TERRIBLE . spitty nasty sound..dl304 wiped the floor with it..set up to perfection by the way..i know how to aligne a cart..childs play with sme protractor
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2019 7:47:24 GMT
i had a 1042 back in 1986 in a dual cs505/2 and seemed to love it i then bought one a few years back and tried it in me sme..TERRIBLE . spitty nasty sound..dl304 wiped the floor with it..set up to perfection by the way..i know how to aligne a cart..childs play with sme protractor I think the 1000 series is massively overrated. They were viewed as decent but expensive back in the 80s. A 1040 was a hundred quid then, but you had to pay £350 for an AT OC9. Today you can pay more for a 1042 than you can an AT MC, including the OC9. The 1000 series seems to like certain arms in the Rega RB series which seems to make them seem a bit marmite.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 24, 2019 8:01:51 GMT
Even I wouldn't try a 1042 in a 505/2 - cough. Even my 701 didn't like it which surprised me as a 1042 was fine in a Rega 3 (arm slightly tail down at the back, so maybe that's something to do with it...)
P.S. For a 505, the bottom Grado (Black?) works well, the VM95E/EN should be as good as the old AT95E was and the original Om10 based cartridge can be upgraded on this deck with an OM20 (I can't bloody help it, I sold the effin' things back in the day and we did listen!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 8:29:32 GMT
yep bearing part of the arm down with the 1042. end of side distortion was dreadful with the goldring ..i always do VTA by ear..forget all that arm level crap.VTA is crucial to get a decent sound .304 the bearing end has to be up. never tried an eroica though any good dsjr?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 8:36:00 GMT
I got through loads of cartridges till I settled on a VdH Frog Gold. I've had it for almost 15 years now (re-tipped ofc) and have never felt the need to try anything else. ah ha..the dealer i bought me sme off knew his stuff and advised me to get one of these..said it was one of the best carts. he had a cupboard full of VDH carts when i did his flooring.. one day i may give one a go. DSJR. ok you must have heard one?
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Post by antonio on Jul 24, 2019 9:40:52 GMT
That would me giving that deck of yours a go.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 24, 2019 9:43:12 GMT
I've heard some of Goldring's MC's and disliked every one - last one being the dire Linn Krystal which they apparently make. All personal taste of course. VDH in the 80's did good things with their retips, but sadly I lost touch after this period. I suppose you want a balance of life, sparkle and sweetness these days and the best cartridges I've heard all seem to bury surface noise well but without muffling fine details.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2019 9:43:18 GMT
Even I wouldn't try a 1042 in a 505/2 - cough. Even my 701 didn't like it which surprised me as a 1042 was fine in a Rega 3 (arm slightly tail down at the back, so maybe that's something to do with it...) P.S. For a 505, the bottom Grado (Black?) works well, the VM95E/EN should be as good as the old AT95E was and the original Om10 based cartridge can be upgraded on this deck with an OM20 (I can't bloody help it, I sold the effin' things back in the day and we did listen!)
I like the AT-95e in a 505-2 as well. Never liked the OMs and always viewed them as a throwaway.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2019 9:45:09 GMT
I've heard some of Goldring's MC's and disliked every one - last one being the dire Linn Krystal which they apparently make. All personal taste of course. VDH in the 80's did good things with their retips, but sadly I lost touch after this period. I suppose you want a balance of life, sparkle and sweetness these days and the best cartridges I've heard all seem to bury surface noise well but without muffling fine details. Snap! The Eroica is the worst of all worlds AFAIC......both dull and crude. The very opposite of what the mags said. All very personal though. I’d doubt it would beat a 1042 in most circumstances though.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 24, 2019 12:14:47 GMT
Asperger's alert........
I don't know the OM3, but the 5 is a bit 'meh' to me. The OM10 is a scrappy, hf-noisy old thing and for me anyway, scrappier than the similar (inside) 510mk2 and certainly less couth than the previous VMS10E which is surprisingly capable despite rawness. The OM20 was an immediate upgrade in smoothness and general 'musicality' in a 505 deck (the Dual/Ortofon stylus was a more expensive OM10 substitude from memory). The better OM's (30 and 40) add significantly to hf refinement, but when the 500 range came out, with more solid bodies and in mk2 form, slightly lower compliance, we went over to these and liked them a lot (I have a pro 'GT' model similar to the OM pro and a 520mk2 which I love in my Dual 1019). Again, in a pretty humble Rega 3/RB300, it was easy to tell on string-tone, how much better the 530 and 540 are over the 520 and 510, which never sounded as rough to me as the Om10 did. these now live on in some markets as the Vinyl Master range at silly prices sadly..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 13:54:10 GMT
Dave you are incredible
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Post by dsjr on Jul 24, 2019 14:04:09 GMT
Only in things I have a severe lifelong interest/obsession in. I was playing with this stuff ever since I could toddle (breaking things usually) I wouldn't know where to start with the things you get up to and certainly don't have the energy to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 15:22:15 GMT
yes but how you remember it all is just incredible..it's a pleasure to read your posts and if i ever need some advice you will be the man i will ask.. how old are you may i ask?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 15:23:55 GMT
yes but how you remember it all is just incredible..it's a pleasure to read your posts and if i ever need some advice you will be the man i will ask.. how old are you may i ask? He was born in 1938 S.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 15:37:58 GMT
wow amazing..same year as me dad..september 1st 1938
how the fek do u know shane?
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Post by dsjr on Jul 24, 2019 18:05:34 GMT
yes but how you remember it all is just incredible..it's a pleasure to read your posts and if i ever need some advice you will be the man i will ask.. how old are you may i ask? He was born in 1938 S. Not funny Shane!
It was 1957...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 18:20:22 GMT
62 years young. You realy are an encyclopaedia of knowledge Dave.
I have a Lyra Argo to transfer from my aro to the PL71. It's definitely the best cart i have ever owned. I hope it suits the PL71 otherwise it will have to go back on the fruitbox
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Post by dsjr on Jul 24, 2019 20:28:24 GMT
Best thing for the LP12 (no, not chucking it out) is the likes of a Tiger Paw top plate and under-strap at the very least - and *especially* a Cirkus if you don't have the bearing and suitable sub chassis already. The difference the latter especially makes to an ARO is huge - imo - and the messiness disappears. The Tiger Paw relieves the plinth of major structural needs and the remaining slight 'bloom' or 'darkness' disappears pretty much completely. It's fashionable in some quarters to totally despise the LP12 in all its versions and forms, but really, the root of this was most often jealousy that Ivor made it such a successful product with a long lasting cachet about it and could then charge almost what he wanted for it.
Was the PL71 only a good deck because RD said so? Nah, it was a good bit better than that, but maybe a suitable solid headshell is needed and then a counterweight outer sleeve if the existing one can't balance it out. Skeletal cartridges fill me with total dread in case of accidents, so please be bloody careful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 7:02:33 GMT
Going to pick my AT20SLa up today. Hopefully all is ok. Mr Kipling has found a source for ta new ATN15SS, and they have confirmed that they have stock. If I like it, I will be ordering a new stylus.
I reckon that MC cartridges are just not worth the extra expense.
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Post by antonio on Jul 30, 2019 7:46:05 GMT
For me, once I had an MC there was no going back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:27:58 GMT
I have a young child in the house. The cost of.replacement puts me off trying a top end MC.
The AT20SLa is fitted to my turntable, and it sounds really good. It cost about the same.as an ATN95P styles, and I reckon that it is probably much better.
The AT95 project is going to put on hold, and I am going to buy an ATN15SS stylus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 12:12:10 GMT
For me, once I had an MC there was no going back. yep all mm's sound distorted and spitty to me..will never own another one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 15:42:16 GMT
Distorted and spotty are not how I would describe my MM cartridges, the good ones anyway.
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