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Post by macca on Feb 13, 2019 21:55:46 GMT
You can't 'star earth' with a grounding box (whatever that may turn out to be), 'cos it's not earthed! Of course connecting components with signal neg commoned with the component earth will presumably earth the grounding box, but that won't produce a 'star earth'. The idea is that the 'earth' is whatever minerals or laminations of metals or whatever are in the box. That becomes reference ground for any bit of kit ether directly connected or connected to an item that is connected to the box. So they all see the same impedance. And that's a good thing somehow. Not my theory and I don't understand it so no follow up questions please.  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 14, 2019 5:55:45 GMT
Richard's claim of lowest audible distortion is vague, and I would expect if challenged he'd just change it to 'lowest perceived audible distortion' which could be backed up with a few owner opinions, given that he's all about the subjective experience it's no leap of the imagination to guess that this it what he means. Had he said 'measured' then he'd obviously be taken to task over it, but he hasn't, so isn't, end of really. I think the Focal claim is likewise vague enough to pass. Unless you've already heard the speakers in your set-up then they will indeed be correct. Macca, star earthing can have benefits, no one denies that. In some circumstances with various mixes of kit it can simplify the task of grounding your equipment boxes and reduce unnecessary gnd loops. Conversely it can also introduce them. The issue with grounding boxes is the 'magic sauce' inside them and selling people the line that it is this, and not the well known and understood process of altering the grounding arrangement of the kit that does the business. (if indeed any business is done at all). I still don’t have a clue what that would mean subjectively.....and I’ve owned them, Nothing about them sounds any less distorted than any other speaker to me. It actually makes less sense to me subjectively. Are we talking phase distortion, temporal distortion, tonal distortion? Who knows. Timing is decent but not something I’d highlight as a particular strength. Tonally they would never win any prizes, but I find them enjoyable all the same. Phase wise, I have no idea. My Spicas were designed to maximise phase coherence. They out-perform the cubes ive heard in every conceivable way, so it’s hard to accept any claims of lowest phase distortion unless it’s one guy’s subjective opinion and not a sweeping statement of fact. They aren’t even the only crossoverless design.My Ref 3as are also crossoverless. To me it’s hype. Not the end of the world, and not even central to the debate here, but as Vlad raised it I agreed. On the grand scale, it doesn’t seem to compare with grounding boxes, certain fuses and many other accessories though, which is where I’d rather focus. I think “accessories” is a good term because it places such things in a subordinate position and it also gives a parallel to fashion accessories such as handbags, jewellery, sunglasses etc: Not essential clothing, but can add a little something if chosen correctly. It’s also an area where pretentious rip-off merchants thrive by getting stuff made in sweat shops to flog to gullible punters with too much disposable income and a need to elevate themselves. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 14, 2019 6:13:51 GMT
It's a statement of fact! OK. But how do you account for people's experiences? Surely, no-one is going to spend over £3000 on something just for the sake of it. At the end of the day we buy Hi-Fi (and accessories) for the way it makes us feel. If someone is happy spending 3k on an grounding box, then it’s their money. If their perceived listening experience is enhanced to a point they feel it’s worth it, then they have made that value judgement and theirs is the only judgement that matters to them. I think what irks some is two-fold: 1. It’s usually the same kind of folk who peddle this stuff and they have the same M.O. A. Make some pseudo-scientific claims. B. Hide behind secret ingredients, patents pending or “new discoveries” which they cannot divulge for commercial reasons. C. Make unsubstantiated claims about massive R&D costs when they have no such facilities beyond a kitchen table, employ no R&D staff, offer no verifiable account of time spent and have no evidence of prototypes. D. Wheedle their way into the systems of a few prominent forum folk and get their accessories talked up. 2. The prices of these things are usually out of all proportion to perceived costs. Of course 1A and 1B are used to counter this perception, but that only irks people more, especially if they are technically qualified. Based on the circumstantial evidence, I have also changed my vote to Snakeoil although I cannot rule out the possibility such things may work in some way. If they do, I expect this to be unknown to the makers and sellers too. I also highly doubt their effect could be anything more than subtle at most, given that it’s inaudible to some and less noticeable than an interconnect change to others. If I had 3k to spare, I wonder what would enhance my listening pleasure more: - Handing it over to someone who gives me a magic box with undisclosed contents and some cables that don’t even carry signal.
- Picking a good cause and using that 3k to make a small but real difference to the world, then sitting back and enjoying my music with a warm feeling inside.
Having listened to the debate and having settled on my own perspective, I’m going to bow out of this topic now, as I have nothing to add without repetition. I’ve also decided that I don’t want to add any oxygen to grounding boxes. Maybe the oxygen of publicity really is the secret ingredient  |
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Post by antonio on Feb 14, 2019 6:47:53 GMT
Well, having a grounding box in the system I regularly listen to I can tell you they make a subtle difference, but I would never advise anyone with a system costing less than £20k to spend £3k on one. You would be far better upgrading one of your components.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 11:08:04 GMT
Richard's claim of lowest audible distortion is vague, and I would expect if challenged he'd just change it to 'lowest perceived audible distortion' which could be backed up with a few owner opinions, given that he's all about the subjective experience it's no leap of the imagination to guess that this it what he means. Had he said 'measured' then he'd obviously be taken to task over it, but he hasn't, so isn't, end of really. I think the Focal claim is likewise vague enough to pass. Unless you've already heard the speakers in your set-up then they will indeed be correct. Macca, star earthing can have benefits, no one denies that. In some circumstances with various mixes of kit it can simplify the task of grounding your equipment boxes and reduce unnecessary gnd loops. Conversely it can also introduce them. The issue with grounding boxes is the 'magic sauce' inside them and selling people the line that it is this, and not the well known and understood process of altering the grounding arrangement of the kit that does the business. (if indeed any business is done at all). I still don’t have a clue what that would mean subjectively.....and I’ve owned them, Nothing about them sounds any less distorted than any other speaker to me. It actually makes less sense to me subjectively. Are we talking phase distortion, temporal distortion, tonal distortion? Who knows. Timing is decent but not something I’d highlight as a particular strength. Tonally they would never win any prizes, but I find them enjoyable all the same. Phase wise, I have no idea. My Spicas were designed to maximise phase coherence. They out-perform the cubes ive heard in every conceivable way, so it’s hard to accept any claims of lowest phase distortion unless it’s one guy’s subjective opinion and not a sweeping statement of fact. They aren’t even the only crossoverless design.My Ref 3as are also crossoverless. To me it’s hype. Not the end of the world, and not even central to the debate here, but as Vlad raised it I agreed. On the grand scale, it doesn’t seem to compare with grounding boxes, certain fuses and many other accessories though, which is where I’d rather focus. I think “accessories” is a good term because it places such things in a subordinate position and it also gives a parallel to fashion accessories such as handbags, jewellery, sunglasses etc: Not essential clothing, but can add a little something if chosen correctly. It’s also an area where pretentious rip-off merchants thrive by getting stuff made in sweat shops to flog to gullible punters with too much disposable income and a need to elevate themselves. I am using the Cubettes at the moment. My guess and based on Richard's own postings is that by 'least distortion' he means that there are no electronic or acoustic treatments that modify the sound of the drive units. Basically the components are made or altered to match perfectly without need for crossovers and wadding. The impression I get if we ignore bass extension is that there is more musical information coming through. No veiling of the sound so you can hear the recording clearly. Not saying they are unique in doing this. My impression is they benefit from being fed from a good source and amplification. While there is obviously a lot of detail they are not tiring to listen to which I think is rare in speakers today. |
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Post by macca on Feb 14, 2019 12:13:42 GMT
I still don’t have a clue what that would mean subjectively.....and I’ve owned them, Nothing about them sounds any less distorted than any other speaker to me. It actually makes less sense to me subjectively. Are we talking phase distortion, temporal distortion, tonal distortion? Who knows. Timing is decent but not something I’d highlight as a particular strength. Tonally they would never win any prizes, but I find them enjoyable all the same. Phase wise, I have no idea. My Spicas were designed to maximise phase coherence. They out-perform the cubes ive heard in every conceivable way, so it’s hard to accept any claims of lowest phase distortion unless it’s one guy’s subjective opinion and not a sweeping statement of fact. They aren’t even the only crossoverless design.My Ref 3as are also crossoverless. To me it’s hype. Not the end of the world, and not even central to the debate here, but as Vlad raised it I agreed. On the grand scale, it doesn’t seem to compare with grounding boxes, certain fuses and many other accessories though, which is where I’d rather focus. I think “accessories” is a good term because it places such things in a subordinate position and it also gives a parallel to fashion accessories such as handbags, jewellery, sunglasses etc: Not essential clothing, but can add a little something if chosen correctly. It’s also an area where pretentious rip-off merchants thrive by getting stuff made in sweat shops to flog to gullible punters with too much disposable income and a need to elevate themselves. . My impression is they benefit from being fed from a good source and amplification. That's true of any speakers though.
I'd have thought that with an upward-firing main driver they would actually be more sympathetic to less than stellar sources and amps than a typical speaker.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 13:32:45 GMT
It's a statement of fact! OK. But how do you account for people's experiences? Surely, no-one is going to spend over £3000 on something just for the sake of it. Entirely down to imagination just like much of what people report about hi fi gear. Do not doubt the power of expectation bias! Foo mains leads and fuses are also complete bollox of course! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 13:39:42 GMT
Okay. 'I guess that's another statement of fact from Jez then'  At the risk of revealing how ignorant I am, can I ask if there is really no possible benefit from linking all the components to a star earth so they all see the same reference impedance? (which is what I think it does). It does F#ck all. Everythings already connected together via the earths of the coax interconnects.... If anything it's likely to cause ground loops! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:04:05 GMT
Another thought on this: If all these unused sockets are able to be linked to the box to improve sound, does that mean more sockets means more degradation? Lots of makers have brought out more expensive preamps with extra inputs. Never once have I heard anyone say they are worse. How come single source amps don’t wipe the floor with ones that have loads of inputs? Couldn’t you just use a shorting plug to get the same effect? Don't take this too pejoratively or personally... but it's stuff like this that has me virtually pulling my hair out! Why would you even think this might be relevant? Have any effect at all? That's a no to everything there BTW.... In the bigger picture, hi fi IS electronics. You cannot know anything about hi fi (beyond "I like the styling of that" or "oh that sounds nice!") if you do not have some knowledge of electronics.... However most people either don't want to learn or refuse to learn and hence maybe 70% of everything I read on forums, and to use the ever helpful car analogies, is people asking questions literally as stupid as "so these new square wheels, what do you reckon?".... Now you would expect "Is it April 1st?" etc etc.... but no, a 7 page discussion will ensue without anyone pointing out the obvious issue with square wheels.... Sorry but that genuinely is how much of what is on forums reads to anyone with electronic engineering knowledge and experience.... I'm virtually screaming at the screen "they're SQUARE wheels FFS!!!" "and you lot are taking them seriously".... WTF!!!!!! I'll get my coat |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 14, 2019 14:14:14 GMT
Another thought on this: If all these unused sockets are able to be linked to the box to improve sound, does that mean more sockets means more degradation? Lots of makers have brought out more expensive preamps with extra inputs. Never once have I heard anyone say they are worse. How come single source amps don’t wipe the floor with ones that have loads of inputs? Couldn’t you just use a shorting plug to get the same effect? Now you would expect "Is it April 1st?" etc etc.... but no, a 7 page discussion will ensue without anyone pointing out the obvious issue with square wheels.... More like 777 pages - (some) forums are big business... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:18:50 GMT
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 14, 2019 14:30:44 GMT
Shall we have a breather? Lets talk about £600 mains cables instead! Only £600? You're not really trying... Nordost Valhalla |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:45:33 GMT
I'll stick with my Van Dammes thank you!
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Post by macca on Feb 14, 2019 16:00:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 16:22:16 GMT
Richard's claim of lowest audible distortion is vague, and I would expect if challenged he'd just change it to 'lowest perceived audible distortion' which could be backed up with a few owner opinions, given that he's all about the subjective experience it's no leap of the imagination to guess that this it what he means. Had he said 'measured' then he'd obviously be taken to task over it, but he hasn't, so isn't, end of really. I think the Focal claim is likewise vague enough to pass. Unless you've already heard the speakers in your set-up then they will indeed be correct. Macca, star earthing can have benefits, no one denies that. In some circumstances with various mixes of kit it can simplify the task of grounding your equipment boxes and reduce unnecessary gnd loops. Conversely it can also introduce them. The issue with grounding boxes is the 'magic sauce' inside them and selling people the line that it is this, and not the well known and understood process of altering the grounding arrangement of the kit that does the business. (if indeed any business is done at all). I still don’t have a clue what that would mean subjectively.....and I’ve owned them, Nothing about them sounds any less distorted than any other speaker to me. It actually makes less sense to me subjectively. Are we talking phase distortion, temporal distortion, tonal distortion? Who knows. Timing is decent but not something I’d highlight as a particular strength. Tonally they would never win any prizes, but I find them enjoyable all the same. Phase wise, I have no idea. My Spicas were designed to maximise phase coherence. They out-perform the cubes ive heard in every conceivable way, so it’s hard to accept any claims of lowest phase distortion unless it’s one guy’s subjective opinion and not a sweeping statement of fact. They aren’t even the only crossoverless design.My Ref 3as are also crossoverless. To me it’s hype. Not the end of the world, and not even central to the debate here, but as Vlad raised it I agreed. On the grand scale, it doesn’t seem to compare with grounding boxes, certain fuses and many other accessories though, which is where I’d rather focus. My Apologies Westie, My querying of that particular traders comment would have been better suited to the 'Unsubstantiated Claims' thread. |
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Post by dsjr on Feb 14, 2019 17:26:09 GMT
I'll stick with my Van Dammes thank you! S. if you didn't find your cables in a skip then they're foo! [Slips back in quietly]
Van Dammes are just fine if you don't know what you're using.. As soon as you/we/I see the name on the jacket, they downgrade significantly in my experience. if the Pro Patch mic cable can out-perform a VDH whatever in an expensive SME tonearm cable, they can't be *that* bad in my book....
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Post by dsjr on Feb 14, 2019 17:30:27 GMT
Shall we have a breather? Lets talk about £600 mains cables instead! Only £600? You're not really trying... Nordost ValhallaNot sure if you can download a price-list from Ab Sounds, but take a look at Transparent Audio cables and other accessory boxes. They start at almost mad and go waaaaaaaayyyyyyy up from there to lunacy pricing. Don't think they di a grounding box yet, but their two top mains 'filters' cost around £12k and £24k I believe and one is supposed to only use two of the available four sockets on each I was told..
I'm informed that audio retail is very quiet right now. if you happen to live in one of the most expensive areas of the country and wish to stay in business, I'm not surprised how this has turned out really....
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Post by macca on Feb 14, 2019 17:59:30 GMT
The Audio industry is like Hyman Roth in Godafather II - It's been dying from the same heart attack for 40 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 18:20:04 GMT
Not sure if you can download a price-list from Ab Sounds, but take a look at Transparent Audio cables and other accessory boxes. They start at almost mad and go waaaaaaaayyyyyyy up from there to lunacy pricing. Don't think they di a grounding box yet, but their two top mains 'filters' cost around £12k and £24k I believe and one is supposed to only use two of the available four sockets on each I was told..
I'm informed that audio retail is very quiet right now. if you happen to live in one of the most expensive areas of the country and wish to stay in business, I'm not surprised how this has turned out really....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 18:29:38 GMT
Another thought on this: If all these unused sockets are able to be linked to the box to improve sound, does that mean more sockets means more degradation? Lots of makers have brought out more expensive preamps with extra inputs. Never once have I heard anyone say they are worse. How come single source amps don’t wipe the floor with ones that have loads of inputs? Couldn’t you just use a shorting plug to get the same effect? Don't take this too pejoratively or personally... but it's stuff like this that has me virtually pulling my hair out! Why would you even think this might be relevant? Have any effect at all? That's a no to everything there BTW.... In the bigger picture, hi fi IS electronics. You cannot know anything about hi fi (beyond "I like the styling of that" or "oh that sounds nice!") if you do not have some knowledge of electronics.... However most people either don't want to learn or refuse to learn and hence maybe 70% of everything I read on forums, and to use the ever helpful car analogies, is people asking questions literally as stupid as "so these new square wheels, what do you reckon?".... Now you would expect "Is it April 1st?" etc etc.... but no, a 7 page discussion will ensue without anyone pointing out the obvious issue with square wheels.... Sorry but that genuinely is how much of what is on forums reads to anyone with electronic engineering knowledge and experience.... I'm virtually screaming at the screen "they're SQUARE wheels FFS!!!" "and you lot are taking them seriously".... WTF!!!!!! I'll get my coat mr Arkless, I find your candour ( is that the right word ) amusing at times, reminds me of a UK sitcoms character from the North of England. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 14, 2019 19:36:00 GMT
Another thought on this: If all these unused sockets are able to be linked to the box to improve sound, does that mean more sockets means more degradation? Lots of makers have brought out more expensive preamps with extra inputs. Never once have I heard anyone say they are worse. How come single source amps don’t wipe the floor with ones that have loads of inputs? Couldn’t you just use a shorting plug to get the same effect? Don't take this too pejoratively or personally... but it's stuff like this that has me virtually pulling my hair out! Why would you even think this might be relevant? Have any effect at all? That's a no to everything there BTW.... In the bigger picture, hi fi IS electronics. You cannot know anything about hi fi (beyond "I like the styling of that" or "oh that sounds nice!") if you do not have some knowledge of electronics.... However most people either don't want to learn or refuse to learn and hence maybe 70% of everything I read on forums, and to use the ever helpful car analogies, is people asking questions literally as stupid as "so these new square wheels, what do you reckon?".... Now you would expect "Is it April 1st?" etc etc.... but no, a 7 page discussion will ensue without anyone pointing out the obvious issue with square wheels.... Sorry but that genuinely is how much of what is on forums reads to anyone with electronic engineering knowledge and experience.... I'm virtually screaming at the screen "they're SQUARE wheels FFS!!!" "and you lot are taking them seriously".... WTF!!!!!! I'll get my coat Hi Jez, no offence taken I enjoy your straght talking and would fight tooth and nail for you to have a right and a place to speak out. Even if it’s to tell me I’m talking utter bollocks I didn’t for a moment expect the factors i mentioned to make a difference to,sound, I was just pointing out that if a grounding box worked the way folk claim, the things I suggested would also work and cost nothing. These box makers are charging more fir ones with loads of sockets. My point was that if more sockets are apparently such an issue, why not just have less of them in the first place? Nobody in their right mind would expect extra sockets to be an issue........unless they were selling grounding boxes and £250 cables that don’t carry signal! I know sod all about electronics but I have still managed to work out that grounding boxes are as kosher as the folk flogging them for daft amounts. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 14, 2019 19:44:23 GMT
if you didn't find your cables in a skip then they're foo! [Slips back in quietly] Van Dammes are just fine if you don't know what you're using.. As soon as you/we/I see the name on the jacket, they downgrade significantly in my experience. if the Pro Patch mic cable can out-perform a VDH whatever in an expensive SME tonearm cable, they can't be *that* bad in my book....
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Post by macca on Feb 14, 2019 20:11:58 GMT
You've got your Van Damme and you've got your Van Den Hul. What us it about the Dutch and cables? And talented attacking midfielders for that matter?
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Post by dsjr on Feb 14, 2019 20:17:14 GMT
You get mostly decent copper conductors plus a couple of silver ones I gather in each Van Damme signal conductor (if you look closely you can sometimes see them). I think still that these are the best eBay sourced £20 cables and fitted with the basic Neutrik plugs which many of you wouldn't give tuppence for. I sometimes imagine the 'sound' is slightly bright, or lean, but then, I'd never know in a blind comparison. Interestingly, I find the thicker shotgun screened cables a bit, well, thicker toned. Hell, what we see has a heck of a lot to do with what we hear ime... The round jacket speaker cables are great in very long runs professionally, so shouldn't offer any major issues in shorter domestic runs. Harbeths use this stuff inside, so that should be enough to put you all off
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You get mostly decent copper conductors plus a couple of silver ones I gather in each Van Damme signal conductor (if you look closely you can sometimes see them). I think still that these are the best eBay sourced £20 cables and fitted with the basic Neutrik plugs which many of you wouldn't give tuppence for. I sometimes imagine the 'sound' is slightly bright, or lean, but then, I'd never know in a blind comparison. Interestingly, I find the thicker shotgun screened cables a bit, well, thicker toned. Hell, what we see has a heck of a lot to do with what we hear ime... The round jacket speaker cables are great in very long runs professionally, so shouldn't offer any major issues in shorter domestic runs. Harbeths use this stuff inside, so that should be enough to put you all off
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Post by firebottle on Feb 16, 2019 8:34:03 GMT
Another thought on this: If all these unused sockets are able to be linked to the box to improve sound, does that mean more sockets means more degradation? Lots of makers have brought out more expensive preamps with extra inputs. Never once have I heard anyone say they are worse. How come single source amps don’t wipe the floor with ones that have loads of inputs? Couldn’t you just use a shorting plug to get the same effect? Don't take this too pejoratively or personally... but it's stuff like this that has me virtually pulling my hair out! Why would you even think this might be relevant? Have any effect at all? That's a no to everything there BTW.... In the bigger picture, hi fi IS electronics. You cannot know anything about hi fi (beyond "I like the styling of that" or "oh that sounds nice!") if you do not have some knowledge of electronics.... However most people either don't want to learn or refuse to learn and hence maybe 70% of everything I read on forums, and to use the ever helpful car analogies, is people asking questions literally as stupid as "so these new square wheels, what do you reckon?".... Now you would expect "Is it April 1st?" etc etc.... but no, a 7 page discussion will ensue without anyone pointing out the obvious issue with square wheels.... Sorry but that genuinely is how much of what is on forums reads to anyone with electronic engineering knowledge and experience.... I'm virtually screaming at the screen "they're SQUARE wheels FFS!!!" "and you lot are taking them seriously".... WTF!!!!!! I'll get my coat Hi Jez, how are you keeping? Hope things are good with you. I have always had a high regard for your expertise and undoubted design talents, it's a pity you don't live around the corner as I'm sure we could have some great chinwag sessions. If you think I'm nuts for getting one of these grounding boxes then that's fine, everyone has their own opinion. However I'd like to think you have an open mind to things that aren't fully understood, as I have. I don't hold with fancy mains cables or fuses but have gone with what I have heard on the ground box issue. Cheers. |
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 16, 2019 10:05:09 GMT
I really struggle with the phrase 'not fully understood'. It implies that there's some unknown science at work here, and there really isn't.
No one has bent the laws of physics in these boxes. Em theory doesn't cease to exist inside their confines.
What's not fully understood is why anyone with enough sense to be able to take their next breath without thinking about it would allow themselves to be duped into opening their wallets for this crap.
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Post by macca on Feb 16, 2019 10:20:50 GMT
Jez said himself no-one really knows why some amps sound better than others and yet there is no unknown science in an amplifier.
Complex systems cannot necessarily be fully understood despite us knowing fully how all the individual elements work.
I know there are some people who hear a difference with every tweak they make, however ridiculous, but I don't count Alan in their number so willing to accept that there is something genuine happening with the box, albeit some have exaggerated the effect it has as a result of only listening to it sighted.
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Post by firebottle on Feb 16, 2019 10:54:04 GMT
I really struggle with the phrase 'not fully understood'. It implies that there's some unknown science at work here, and there really isn't. No one has bent the laws of physics in these boxes. Em theory doesn't cease to exist inside their confines. What's not fully understood is why anyone with enough sense to be able to take their next breath without thinking about it would allow themselves to be duped into opening their wallets for this crap. Hi Simon, sounds like you are suggesting I don't have enough sense? Shame on you. Have you ever designed or worked with RF? By not fully understood I really mean the mechanism at work isn't fully understood. Let me put it another way, folks who have installed the Coherent grounding box have all heard an improvement to the system. Setting aside the type or measure of improvement for a moment, the fact that an improvement occurs shows to me that the equipment/system was already capable of performing better. So something is holding back the intrinsic performance, what is it? A lot of us know the benefits of ground planes and star earthing and the like, but those don't explain it. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 16, 2019 12:19:49 GMT
I really struggle with the phrase 'not fully understood'. It implies that there's some unknown science at work here, and there really isn't. No one has bent the laws of physics in these boxes. Em theory doesn't cease to exist inside their confines. What's not fully understood is why anyone with enough sense to be able to take their next breath without thinking about it would allow themselves to be duped into opening their wallets for this crap. By not fully understood I really mean the mechanism at work isn't fully understood. It appears that the manufacturer cannot adequately explain it, either... |
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