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Post by Arke on Jun 15, 2022 11:08:47 GMT
DESIGNING A SUB (Part I): {Please note: this is a retrospective build thread. The sub is finished and I am now documenting the design and build process.}Hello again! Sorry for the delay in starting this, life has been busy and it's taken a while to find time to begin. This is probably going to be a longish build thread because (as always!) I tend not to make things easy for myself! I'll be taking you on a journey of designing (the cabinet) and building a 10" subwoofer with passive radiator and Hypex plate amp. My Subwoofer journey started about 4 years ago when I owned some Wilmslow Audio MTM (Midwoofer-Treble-Midwoofer) Gemini standmount loudspeakers. These speakers were my first (semi) DIY build and I loved them. I did, however, find them a little bright and lacking in decent bass extension - they were good down to 40/45Hz, but not much below. I ended up with 2 REL t7i subwoofers and theses were a revelation. I didn't think subs were for real hifi and was previously convinced that they couldn't be integrated seamlessly into an 'audiophile's' world. After weeks of experimentation and learning (and a lot of help from REL) I got everything dialed in well. The bass was tighter, more extended and better controlled and more importantly I had virtually eliminated some pesky room modes which had previously dominated some tracks. Was is all about the bass? NO! Much to my surprise the biggest improvement was in the soundstage and richness through the midrange and treble. The soundstage was much wider and deeper and the mid/treble had way more richness and sounded fuller. It was a complete revelation. I loved how the new sub enhanced sound and couldn't bear to turn them off. When the subs were switched off you could immediately hear the soundstage collapse. The music became harsh and incoherent by comparison. How had I spent so long without a sub in my life?! Move on a few years and the Geminis now have a new home with a mate who loves them. I have built some Troels Gravesen designed Ekta MkIIs (build thread to follow sub) - these are medium-sized 3-way floorstanders and comfortably reach down into the 30-35Hz region. The REL t7i's still added something to the Ekta's but the difference was subtle. The RELs were simply not going deep enough to add much extension to the Ektas. They still improved the bass a little and opened up the soundstage slightly, but were simply not deep enough anymore. The REL's needed a new home and I needed a new sub or subs.... I love my Troels Gravesen designed speakers so decided to go for a Troels DIY sub build. Troels is very well regarded in the DIY speaker build world so I chose his 10" Scanspeak Subwoofer. I would build one first and plan to add another at a later date. Here is the information on the Troels 10" sub: www.troelsgravesen.dk/26W-4558T00.htmI realise a 10" sub will not go really deep, but I couldn't justify (to myself or my wife) a massive box in the Music room. I had to get a reasonable performance from a roughly 400mm cube. The sub comprises a Scanspeak 26W/4558T00 with a Scanspeak 26W/0-00-00 passive radiator and a Hypex FA251 plate amp. I realise a sub can be sealed (with and without a passive radiator) or ported. There are many different designs all with advantages and disadvantages. I do not understand enough to choose between them, so chose to just copy a Troels design - albeit with a significant cabinet redesign. The Troels cabinet is a 400mm cube. I needed to maintain a very similar volume but wanted to reduce the frontal area slightly - this would soften the visual impact and massing of the sub. I decided to go for a 390mm x 390mm front, which would result in a 430-440mm deep cabinet. After some thought I decided to go for a super solid and rather time consuming laminated cabinet design! I've always wanted to do a laminated cabinet and a sub would greatly benefit from a rock solid and tough construction. I realise this is extremely time consuming, but I love building stuff (especially woodwork) and wanted a project that would challenge me and keep me busy for some time. A conventional subwoofer 'cube' is 6 panels fitted together with bracing to minimise panel vibration and prevent the thing shaking itself to pieces. Sub drivers are powerful and the cabinets can experience some pretty large vibration forces, I wanted a cabinet that was built like the proverbial brick outhouse! A laminated construction would comprise many layers of plywood all glued together to create a solid block. The sub would, of course, require an internal volume so the layers would need a considerable amount of material removed from their centres. In addition, the layers would require integral bracing. I planned to drastically deviate from the Troels suggested design, so needed to ensure I maintained some key parameters and didn't compromise the original ethos of the design. My cabinet must maintain a similar volume (plus/minus a litre or two) and must comprise the main driver, passive radiator and Hypex plate amp. The Passive Radiator cone weighed 400grams, so Troels advised that it should NOT be placed on the base of the cabinet - he was worried it would sag over time and compromise it's performance. He placed the Pass Rad on the side, however, I wanted the sub to look balanced and symmetrical from the front, so would need to place the pass rad and Hypex on the rear. My next aim was to make a sub looked pretty! Subs are usually black cubes, which isn't ugly, but I wanted something that looked like a piece of furniture. We are planning to renovate of house and the stereo would eventually (maybe 2023) relocate to a music room. We have a 1960's house, so we plan to renovate in a mid-century style and we (my wife and I) want the music room and the stereo to look nice and fit the new style of the property. This meant the sub needed to conform too - no black boxes allowed! The trans laminated design would allow a large radius on the corners - this would soften the design and make the sub look smaller. Birch plywood would be used and the layers would be visible over the sides, top and bottom. As an added feature the front baffle would be inlaid with a veneer. This would add interest and help the main driver blend into a darker background. I may add a grille at some point, but am still undecided. That's all for now, DESIGNING A SUB (Part II) will cover the design of the rear (passive radiator and Hypex placement) and bracing.
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 15, 2022 11:49:41 GMT
You don't tend to do things by half do you? You obviously have more skill and patience than me Lol. That shape of enclosure is way beyond 'my pay' grade I'm afraid so I would probably stick to a regular 'box type' enclosure. I'm lucky enough to have my own listening room anyway, and the boss doesn't really care what I put in it (within reason) I will look out for the next instalment with interest. Thanks for taking the time to post this information
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Post by Arke on Jun 15, 2022 12:18:45 GMT
You don't tend to do things by half do you? You obviously have more skill and patience than me Lol. That shape of enclosure is way beyond 'my pay' grade I'm afraid so I would probably stick to a regular 'box type' enclosure. I'm lucky enough to have my own listening room anyway, and the boss doesn't really care what I put in it (within reason) I will look out for the next instalment with interest. Thanks for taking the time to post this information I definitely wanted to build something challenging and like to learn new skills with each build. It can be risky, as it doesn't always go smoothly - details later in thread!. My wife isn't really that bothered how it looks - not so much that she'd veto anything. The size and design is more driven by me than anyone else. I am a designer for work (usually gardens) so always enjoy the design process and optimising a design to suit requirements and it's environment. OTT? Yes, but the challenge and optimisation is what I love most.
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Post by antonio on Jun 15, 2022 13:44:03 GMT
Another great thread to look forward to
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Post by Arke on Jun 16, 2022 9:31:53 GMT
DESIGNING A SUB (Part II): I had decided to keep the sides and top of the sub clean and symmetrical so the Passive Radiator and Hypex plate amp had to go at the rear (I'd been advised against putting the pass rad on the base - see part I). The rear is 390mm x 390mm and unfortunately not enough space for both... Some thinking outside (under) the box would be required! Once fitted and setup the plate amp is rarely accessed, and the Hypex FA251 is fully programmable on a laptop via. USB and has an optional remote. However, it would still be preferable to have occasional access to the power switch, gain and preset selector button. The image below show that the Hpex FA251 has the power, gain and preset button all on one side.
I decided to mount the plate amp at the rear and under the sub. The amp would be recessed in (up a bit) and feet under the sub would give extra clearance for signal input leads and the IEC plug. The clearance would also allow access to the power switch, gain and presets - it would be fiddly but possible if required on rare occasions. Great, I thought, problem solved... However, after further thought I realised there would be a problem with cooling the amp. The plate amp is designed to be mounted on a vertical face and has cooling vents which allow the convection of air through the chamber housing it. If mounted upside down the warm/hot air would gather in the chamber and not escape. I emailed Hypex technical support and they advised that some vent holes/slots at the top of the chamber would suffice. Cool air would be drawn up from under the sub and could vent out from the top of the chamber. The holes would go on the rear as I couldn't have holes into the main sealed enclosure. BRACING: The sub would be constructed from 24mm thick birch ply. 18 layers would result in a 432mm depth of sub and about the correct volume. The next job was to design the bracing - the bracing will stiffen the cabinet, add weight and reduce resonances in the 'walls'. I decided to go for a network of vertical and horizontal bars in each layer. Each bracing layer is essentially the same and could be turned through 90 degrees to be used vertically or horizontally. This is a view through the front baffle: The front baffle is 2 layers thick (48mm) to act as an extremely firm and rigid foundation for the main driver. The image shows the network of vertical and horizontal bracing struts. They are arranged with 2 layers vertical, 2 layers horizontal, 2 layers vertical and so on. This is to ensure than the strut braces are very rigid and should brace more effectively. Some struts have their centres removed behind the main driver - this is necessary for clearance. The bracing is designed to give a continuous structural bracing from front to rear - this will further support the front and rear baffles. It may all look very confusing at the moment! It is much easier to understand when you pan around the 3D design software - not something I can demonstrate here. The layers, construction and assembly will become more clear as the build progresses. The software was used to accurately check the internal volume of the enclosure - this was kept consistent with the recommendations from Troels. Next the build begins...
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 16, 2022 10:45:37 GMT
This is along way from the sub boxes we used to build for our cars lol.
Wow....lots of attention to detail
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Post by optical on Jun 16, 2022 10:49:11 GMT
Wow,
this is genuinely awe inspiring. The design is proper engineering, the bracing looks excellent along with a lot of other very smart design implementations.....
That is going to be an absolute monster.
Where do I place my order 🤣
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 16, 2022 11:13:12 GMT
Wow, this is genuinely awe inspiring. The design is proper engineering, the bracing looks excellent along with a lot of other very smart design implementations..... That is going to be an absolute monster. Where do I place my order 🤣 I can see a career developing 🧐
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Post by Arke on Jun 16, 2022 12:04:14 GMT
Wow, this is genuinely awe inspiring. The design is proper engineering, the bracing looks excellent along with a lot of other very smart design implementations..... That is going to be an absolute monster. Where do I place my order 🤣 Thank you! It may not be the most cost effective sub to build! Works very well as a sub, but was very time consuming to manufacture. I do now have all the patterns and jigs, so the second one (I have stereo plans) will be quicker. Which RELs do you use optical?
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Post by optical on Jun 16, 2022 12:24:12 GMT
Wow, this is genuinely awe inspiring. The design is proper engineering, the bracing looks excellent along with a lot of other very smart design implementations..... That is going to be an absolute monster. Where do I place my order 🤣 Thank you! It may not be the most cost effective sub to build! Works very well as a sub, but was very time consuming to manufacture. I do now have all the patterns and jigs, so the second one (I have stereo plans) will be quicker. Which RELs do you use optical? Currently (and for last 4-5 years) a pair of REL T3's. They don't go that deep (although they're surprising for their size) but they are "fast" and manage to keep up with my electrostats to avoid the "chugging" effect. I was considering going to a pair of Strator's or similar but you never know if they're going to be that much better in the room as they're all different. I tried an SVS that should have blown the REL's away technically, it certainly did not..... I would like to continue to try and better the REL's though, hence my keen interest in your activities! What I really would like is an adjustable phase crossover, the REL's only have 0 or 180. Could make all the difference for integration.
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Post by Arke on Jun 16, 2022 12:52:41 GMT
Thank you! It may not be the most cost effective sub to build! Works very well as a sub, but was very time consuming to manufacture. I do now have all the patterns and jigs, so the second one (I have stereo plans) will be quicker. Which RELs do you use optical ? Currently (and for last 4-5 years) a pair of REL T3's. They don't go that deep (although they're surprising for their size) but they are "fast" and manage to keep up with my electrostats to avoid the "chugging" effect. I was considering going to a pair of Strator's or similar but you never know if they're going to be that much better in the room as they're all different. I tried an SVS that should have blown the REL's away technically, it certainly did not..... I would like to continue to try and better the REL's though, hence my keen interest in your activities! What I really would like is an adjustable phase crossover, the REL's only have 0 or 180. Could make all the difference for integration. I'll go into way more detail later, but the Scanspeak 10" sub has not disappointed. It is fully tuneable via DSP and it's very easy to tweak the the low end roll off and crossover with your speakers. I like being able to fine tune from the listening position (via laptop and USB lead) and there is full phase adjustment. I don't have any measurement kit (or enough experience yet) but do intend to do measurements and refine the phase and frequency integration further. The Sub kit (from Jantzen Audio) cost about £700-750, depending on exchange rates. That is everything you need except your chosen cabinet materials. It wouldn't be too difficult to make the standard cube (like the Troels example), but my design is far from quick to make - more to come. The one Scanspeak 10" sub definitely outperforms the stereo pair of REL t7i's - the t7i's are very good, but it was frankly no contest. The Scanspeak 10" goes way deeper and certainly sounds faster and more textured. Double basses and drums sound better defined and extended. The extra depth from the 10" seems to enhance the soundstage and mid/treble way more than the RELs did. It's probably an unfair comparison as just the parts of the Scanspeak 10" cost more than the retail of a t7i. I'm happy as the new sub was cheaper than what I sold the RELs for. EDIT: thinking about it, perhaps it is a fair comparison... It was one Scanspeak 10" vs 2 x REL t7i's! Most people think that a stereo pair is definitely worth doing, so the Scanspeak 10" being better on it's own is saying something!
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Post by Arke on Jun 20, 2022 10:59:18 GMT
THE BUILD - IT'S ALL ABOUT MANY BRACES: The main advantage of the laminated design is that it should be extremely strong and pretty heavy. To me it is also a very aesthetically pleasing construction method too. The downside is that it is extremely time consuming and rather wasteful. There will be plenty of offcuts, although I do have some mini monitor plans for these! The cabinet requires 18 layers of 24mm Birch plywood. With a frontal area of 390mm x 390mm this will fit perfectly into one standard (2440mm x 1220mm) sheet of plywood. The sheet (pre Ukrainian war) was about £112 (inc VAT) so not bad for the whole cabinet. The first job was to cut the large sheet into 18 squares - this was done on the table saw and didn't take long. Then it would start to get more complicated... I started by constructing the braces and needed a way to make these accurately and repeatably. I spent a few hours creating a pattern jig: This was constructed from 18mm marine ply and screwed onto a rigid MDF base. The pattern had to be exact, as mistakes here would carry through into every layer. Sadly, I don't have loads of pictures, so will try to describe how the pattern was made... It began as a 390mm x 390mm square cut on the table saw. The outer radii at 40mm and inner radii at 15mm were cut with a palm router and circle cutting jig. The straight edges of the inner square were rough cut with a jigsaw and then flush trimmed with the router against a straight edge clamped on top. The brace struts (16mm wide) were cut on the table saw and fixed into place with screws into the MDF base. Each brace was rough cut to shape with a jigsaw and finished on the brace pattern jig. This is an image of a rough cut brace before flush routing: After rough cutting, the brace was trimmed with a self guided trim bit (https://trenddirectuk.com/trend-craftpro-self-guided-trimmers-1-4-shank.html). This is a router bit with a bearing at it's base. This bearing follows the pattern under the workpiece and produces a copy. Here are two braces (exactly the same) with one twisted through 90 degrees. Ten would be required to create all of the standard brace layers: This image shows two braces with the 40mm radius corners in front of the 390mm x 390mm squares with square corners. It shows how the outer radius softens the look of the sub and gives the impression of a smaller size. Quite some time later... 10 standard braces finished! This shows them paired in the vertical and horizontal orientations:
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Post by antonio on Jun 20, 2022 13:46:49 GMT
Wow, this is genuinely awe inspiring. The design is proper engineering, the bracing looks excellent along with a lot of other very smart design implementations..... That is going to be an absolute monster. Where do I place my order 🤣 I reckon if we all order together we should get a good price
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 20, 2022 14:32:17 GMT
Your build looks excellent but way way above my skill level. Thanks for posting though, it's very interesting
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Post by Arke on Jun 20, 2022 16:58:57 GMT
Wow, this is genuinely awe inspiring. The design is proper engineering, the bracing looks excellent along with a lot of other very smart design implementations..... That is going to be an absolute monster. Where do I place my order 🤣 I reckon if we all order together we should get a good price Haha! Brilliant! A CNC machine would certainly make things quicker and bring the cost down! All pieces cut it a few hours... Then just glue, sand, varnish and assemble. Oh and the veneer! I think it took me 3-4days just to cut all 18 layers (making the patterns too)! Although, things definitely get quicker with practice.
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Post by Arke on Jun 23, 2022 14:54:53 GMT
THE BUILD - HYPEX CHAMBER: The Hypex (plate amp) chamber was certainly a challenge to construct. I began by creating more parts for the router pattern jig: This involved adapting the brace pattern and creating two Hypex parts (L and R) that could be screwed onto the MDF base. I kept the brace pattern parts so they can be swapped back in for any future brace manufacture (another sub!). The construction method was very similar to the braces - the part was rough cut with a jigsaw, and clamped onto the pattern for an exact pattern trim with the palm router. This is two standard layers, which make up the mid sections of the chamber: The rear baffle is probably the most complex layer of the sub and took some time to manufacture. It required a 30mm deep cut-out at the base - this is the amount the Hypex is recessed up under the sub. It also required vent slots to be routed in - this was achieved with a vent template shown below. The slots are 9.5mm wide and a template profiler router bit was used: trenddirectuk.com/trend-c121gx1-4tc-template-profile-9-5mm-diameter.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwntCVBhDdARIsAMEwACngG1imflfZ60X1L4OPjKQJOwSYCZ4-0gMCwM0o1eCCcVN8Uo84FNIaAn2bEALw_wcBThis bit has a top bearing and follows the profile of a top pattern to produce a copy in the workpiece underneath. Here is the rear baffle with the vent slots: The rear wall of the Hypex chamber (on the rear baffle layer) had to be 12mm thick to give the required clearance for the plate amp components. The layer is 24mm thick, therefore 12mm of material had to be removed. A standard Hypex (mid) layer was clamped on top of the rear layer and the template profiler bit (with top bearing) was used to cut this rebate. Here is the rebate on the inside of the rear layer: Here is the rear layer with some Hypex chamber layers on top: This is the plate amp having a test fit into it's chamber: { The 4.75mm radius (which would prevent the plate amp sitting flat in the rebate) has been chiselled to a right angle by hand.}
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 23, 2022 16:51:59 GMT
Wonderful work again. What equipment/tools do you need to do this kind of work and how did you learn how to use them?
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Post by antonio on Jun 23, 2022 17:15:36 GMT
Gobsmacked at the thought and skills that you put into this build.
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Post by Arke on Jun 23, 2022 17:32:45 GMT
Wonderful work again. What equipment/tools do you need to do this kind of work and how did you learn how to use them? Thank you. Mainly the following tools: - A Dewalt table saw - this was used to cut the main layers (squares) to size. This could be done by hand and tidied up during the sanding phase (detailed later), but would be very slow. You could also use a circular saw instead of the table saw. - A palm router (small router costing about £100) - A basic jigsaw. - About 2 or 3 different router bits (about £20 each) - Circle jig for router (about £20-40) - Belt sander (you could use an orbital sander or sand by hand) - Hand drill - Soldering iron - Lots of clamps (at least 6) - Digital calipers (not essential, but very useful when working to tight tolerances - 1/10s of millimetres) - Set square - metal ruler - scalpel That's most stuff. I've just learnt through practice and some Youtube videos. Mainly practicing on scrap timber if I'm unsure of a new technique. I deliberately choose to make things complicated as I like to learn new skills.
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Post by optical on Jun 24, 2022 8:15:36 GMT
I'm happy with an air-tight, shiny solder joint so I can only imagine the level of satisfaction you'll be achieving when this is up and running.
Superb stuff and I really admire the JFK style "we do them because they are hard" mantra.
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 24, 2022 9:34:23 GMT
Wonderful work again. What equipment/tools do you need to do this kind of work and how did you learn how to use them? Thank you. Mainly the following tools: - A Dewalt table saw - this was used to cut the main layers (squares) to size. This could be done by hand and tidied up during the sanding phase (detailed later), but would be very slow. You could also use a circular saw instead of the table saw. - A palm router (small router costing about £100) - A basic jigsaw. - About 2 or 3 different router bits (about £20 each) - Circle jig for router (about £20-40) - Belt sander (you could use an orbital sander or sand by hand) - Hand drill - Soldering iron - Lots of clamps (at least 6) - Digital calipers (not essential, but very useful when working to tight tolerances - 1/10s of millimetres) - Set square - metal ruler - scalpel That's most stuff. I've just learnt through practice and some Youtube videos. Mainly practicing on scrap timber if I'm unsure of a new technique. I deliberately choose to make things complicated as I like to learn new skills. Thanks, unfortunately I don't have quite a few of those tools so just buying them would be a significant expense. Also, I can't guarantee that I would be capable of using them properly. If I did decide to go down this route this thread is a fantastic source of information. Well done again and thanks for posting. I will continue to marvel at your obvious skill and attention to detail
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Post by Arke on Jun 24, 2022 18:16:44 GMT
Thank you. Mainly the following tools: - A Dewalt table saw - this was used to cut the main layers (squares) to size. This could be done by hand and tidied up during the sanding phase (detailed later), but would be very slow. You could also use a circular saw instead of the table saw. - A palm router (small router costing about £100) - A basic jigsaw. - About 2 or 3 different router bits (about £20 each) - Circle jig for router (about £20-40) - Belt sander (you could use an orbital sander or sand by hand) - Hand drill - Soldering iron - Lots of clamps (at least 6) - Digital calipers (not essential, but very useful when working to tight tolerances - 1/10s of millimetres) - Set square - metal ruler - scalpel That's most stuff. I've just learnt through practice and some Youtube videos. Mainly practicing on scrap timber if I'm unsure of a new technique. I deliberately choose to make things complicated as I like to learn new skills. Thanks, unfortunately I don't have quite a few of those tools so just buying them would be a significant expense. Also, I can't guarantee that I would be capable of using them properly. If I did decide to go down this route this thread is a fantastic source of information. Well done again and thanks for posting. I will continue to marvel at your obvious skill and attention to detail It did take a while to build up a collection of tools. Fortunately, most last a while once you have them. It generally isn't too difficult - just takes a lot of planning, time and patience. I generally quite enjoy it.
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Post by Arke on Jun 24, 2022 20:17:52 GMT
I'm happy with an air-tight, shiny solder joint so I can only imagine the level of satisfaction you'll be achieving when this is up and running. Superb stuff and I really admire the JFK style "we do them because they are hard" mantra. Cheers for your positive comments, much appreciated. It is certainly very satisfying when a project is finished... You get to listen, which is always a pleasure. It's slightly bitter/sweet too, as I really, really enjoy the builds and it is always a little sad to finish! It's like a drug... Always thinking about the next project! Not sure if I'm always aiming at 'hard', but definitely aiming for the best it can be... The optimisation and precision is a satisfying challenge! It doesn't always go to plan either... Learning new skills isn't always plain sailing... More to come later in the thread
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Post by Arke on Jun 26, 2022 10:27:33 GMT
THE BUILD - DRIVER HOLES: Most layers were now constructed, so it was time to rout the driver holes. The main driver (driven) and passive radiator have identical baskets and cones so would require the same mounting hole. Driver diameters can vary slightly (maybe +/-0.5mm), which isn't much but can be critical. It is always best to have your drivers available to measure before routing the holes. This is the technical spec for the driver: www.troelsgravesen.dk/26W-4558T00/26W-4558T00.pdfI used a router circle jig like this: The jig allows you to mount a router and cut a perfect circle at a set radius around a central point. I started by routing the rebate into which the driver would sit. This rebate is about 6mm deep and 15mm wide. This took multiple passes to get the 6mm depth and full 15mm width. I started with the outer (largest radius) pass and checked the diameter was consistent with the driver outer diameter. I usually aim for about 0.5mm over as you need a tiny bit of clearance to get the driver in and out. You certainly don't want to go too large as a sloppy fit looks, well... Sloppy! Once the rebate was finished I routed a hole through the entire workpiece for the basket to pass through. This is the finished passive radiator hole in the rear baffle: The layers are dry 'assembled' here - this shows the internal braces. Some brace material has been removed to allow clearance for the driver baskets. Next post will cover the gluing stage!
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Post by pete on Jun 26, 2022 11:02:24 GMT
Love that router jig, simple, but effective.
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Post by Arke on Jun 26, 2022 11:35:15 GMT
Love that router jig, simple, but effective. It's worked well so far.
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 26, 2022 12:32:29 GMT
That router circle jig makes me want to buy a router Quite a simple yet clever/useful tool Lovely work again. I always wanted to learn how to work with wood properly, never got round to it unfortunately
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Post by Arke on Jun 26, 2022 14:03:17 GMT
That router circle jig makes me want to buy a router Quite a simple yet clever/useful tool Lovely work again. I always wanted to learn how to work with wood properly, never got round to it unfortunately I've only had my router for 3 years, (bought it to make some speakers), so I'm still learning. It was pretty easy to use straightaway. Very satisfying to do really neat and tidy stuff. Hard to stop using it once you have one! I've got a Makita rt0700cx4 They're now only about £70! You could make basic speaker cabinets with the palm router and a circular saw. Rough cut the panels (sides, back, front, top, bottom) with the Circ saw and use the router to trim then exactly. You can design it with rebates and do these on the router too - it should slot together nicely then. I use Troels Gravesen designs and he is very highly regarded. He has 100s of designs ranging from super cheap to very expensive. Let me know if you're ever tempted and I can advise a little on the various options (it's a little overwhelming at first). www.troelsgravesen.dk/Diy_Loudspeaker_Projects.htm
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 26, 2022 17:47:32 GMT
Thanks for the offer. I thought a Makita router would have been much more expensive than this. One for my Christmas methinks. I've saved it in my Amazon account. It seems to work rather well
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Post by Arke on Jun 27, 2022 8:27:24 GMT
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