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Post by antonio on May 13, 2022 9:36:08 GMT
I purchased a Firebottle OTP phonostage from Gary (Stryder5) on Sunday, although it's a great sounding phono I am getting the dreaded hum. When first connecting up, the hum was quite significant, looked at all the cables again to ensure everything was connected up correctly and tight, it was. I then removed the earthing wire from the ground terminal on the phono and this certainly reduced the amount of hum which seems to now be audible just at my normal listening levels on my amplifier. I have changed the OTP's position on the rack, evening moving it onto the window ledge behind the rack, still exactly the same. Suggestions would be welcome
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Post by firebottle on May 13, 2022 10:20:01 GMT
Sounds like you probably have a ground loop.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 13, 2022 10:37:45 GMT
I purchased a Firebottle OTP phonostage from Gary (Stryder5) on Sunday, although it's a great sounding phono I am getting the dreaded hum. When first connecting up, the hum was quite significant, looked at all the cables again to ensure everything was connected up correctly and tight, it was. I then removed the earthing wire from the ground terminal on the phono and this certainly reduced the amount of hum which seems to now be audible just at my normal listening levels on my amplifier. I have changed the OTP's position on the rack, evening moving it onto the window ledge behind the rack, still exactly the same. Suggestions would be welcome Take the ground wire off between arm and phono and see what happens.
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Post by antonio on May 13, 2022 10:53:13 GMT
I have removed the ground wire from the phono, I called it an earthing wire though.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 13, 2022 11:12:59 GMT
I have removed the ground wire from the phono, I called it an earthing wire though. Oh, yes I see. Hmmm, not sure then
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Post by antonio on May 13, 2022 13:33:48 GMT
Sounds like you probably have a ground loop. firebottle So Alan, how do I sort that out?
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Post by firebottle on May 13, 2022 15:38:38 GMT
See if the turntable earth is also connected through to the cartridge leads. It needs to be separate.
Do you have the hum without the TT connected to the phonostage? If not it shows you are creating a loop when the TT is connected.
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Post by antonio on May 13, 2022 16:10:37 GMT
I'll check on that later Alan.
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Post by antonio on May 13, 2022 16:45:12 GMT
Just unplugged the turntable from the phono and no hum, so what's my next step? Oh I see I've got to check the earth wire is connected to the cartridge leads Does that mean removing the tonearm?
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Post by lurch on May 13, 2022 17:47:51 GMT
No do a continuity test with a meter.
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Post by stryder5 on May 13, 2022 17:53:32 GMT
I did get some hum to begin with, Alan checked it out in his system and all was well. Can’t remember what we did though.
Gary
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Post by sq225917 on May 13, 2022 20:40:25 GMT
What's the TT and arm?
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Post by Bigman80 on May 13, 2022 21:32:11 GMT
Ground the tonearm onto the case of the amplifier. IIRC its a lack of real ground in the unit due to being powered by a wall wart.
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Post by antonio on May 14, 2022 4:43:41 GMT
BTE Lenco with Audiomods tonearm
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Post by antonio on May 14, 2022 5:46:20 GMT
Ground the tonearm onto the case of the amplifier. IIRC its a lack of real ground in the unit due to being powered by a wall wart. Now you've given me a job, the unit is gloss painted and so is the base, I've taken the base off and tried attaching the ground wire to the base, unfortunately the screws are too small to hold the wire, and I don't have any washers small enough to help attach the wire using the Y attachment. I'll give it some thought, may have to try and get a very small washer of some sort, but that won't be today.
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Post by stryder5 on May 14, 2022 8:31:34 GMT
Ground the tonearm onto the case of the amplifier. IIRC its a lack of real ground in the unit due to being powered by a wall wart. Oli, it’s not powered by wall wart, internal transformer. Gary
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Post by Bigman80 on May 14, 2022 8:35:43 GMT
Ground the tonearm onto the case of the amplifier. IIRC its a lack of real ground in the unit due to being powered by a wall wart. Oli, it’s not powered by wall wart, internal transformer. Gary Oh Still, worth a try
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Post by antonio on May 14, 2022 10:02:12 GMT
Does that mean I would be wasting my time grounding to the amp, in which case Oli will receive a invoice for one hour of my time wasted, oh nearly forgot, time and a half on Saturday's
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Post by Bigman80 on May 14, 2022 11:28:24 GMT
Does that mean I would be wasting my time grounding to the amp, in which case Oli will receive a invoice for one hour of my time wasted, oh nearly forgot, time and a half on Saturday's It's still worth trying.
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Post by antonio on May 14, 2022 14:33:33 GMT
I just didn't want to start scratching the paint off a brand new amp
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Post by dt79 on May 15, 2022 7:43:46 GMT
Someone shout in an alarmed fashion if I’m way off base here and suggesting something dodgy, but would an alternative be to run a wire to the earth pin of a regular mains plug?
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Post by Bigman80 on May 15, 2022 8:16:17 GMT
Someone shout in an alarmed fashion if I’m way off base here and suggesting something dodgy, but would an alternative be to run a wire to the earth pin of a regular mains plug? Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by sq225917 on May 15, 2022 10:42:54 GMT
Check for continuity between. Chassis and arm. Chassis and internal psu/ transformer. Chassis and wall socket. Cart body and arm. Arm and wall socket. Cart and wall socket.
Then let us know which of them has continuity. Then we can tell you which one needs lifting and how you should earth to the phonostage.
In my deck motor is gnd to mains only, and everything else goes to phono. So it's effectively two parts. If your motor is gnd to Chassis and the arm is too you need to break that link on the arm, or run the 5th wire back to the chassis.
If your cart body is gnd to arm then you have to break any link from arm to everything except the phonostage.
Do the 6 tests at the start of post first
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Post by antonio on May 15, 2022 14:50:45 GMT
I think you are well over rating my electronics knowledge there Simon
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Post by jandl100 on May 15, 2022 15:43:56 GMT
I think you are well over rating my electronics knowledge there Simon Haha, same as me. Just futz around with the grounding until the hum goes away.
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Post by sq225917 on May 15, 2022 22:15:10 GMT
Multimeter, switch it to the buzzy setting.
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Post by antonio on May 16, 2022 6:32:41 GMT
I have just connected the earth wire from the tt to the ground terminal on my Russ Andrews distribution block and the hum increased, comparable with connecting to the ground terminal on the Firebottle OTP2: Will have to look on YT to see if I can find more info on using my multimeter
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Post by pete on May 16, 2022 9:21:33 GMT
Had a terrible hum on the jukebox over the weekend.After trying all the usual suspects I took the arm off and saw part of the wire to the head shell had frayed and was coming into contact with the arm. Not saying this is your problem but just the solution can be found when looking into things that are easily overlooked.
Good luck in your quest Dave.
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Post by stryder5 on May 16, 2022 9:34:18 GMT
I’ll pay for you to send it to Alan if you’re still having problems.
Gary
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Post by edward on May 16, 2022 9:46:12 GMT
I have just connected the earth wire from the tt to the ground terminal on my Russ Andrews distribution block and the hum increased, comparable with connecting to the ground terminal on the Firebottle OTP2: Will have to look on YT to see if I can find more info on using my multimeter Follow the steps in following link to test for continuity between the various points Simon mentioned. www.wikihow.com/Test-Continuity-with-a-MultimeterDo the tests with power off.
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