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Post by optical on Jul 28, 2022 7:26:40 GMT
Not one to keep you all in suspense too long, here's a photo of a pretty little box, courtesy of a great price by Peter Tyson and an extra 10% off with ebay   Sorry about the mess, bloody cables and the Fragile tape is a marker for positioning my other speakers. I plumbed the sub in yesterday, left it running for 2/3 hours and early this morning given them a listen, only low level, but I have to say I am very happy. Being new to subs, it is quite an experience at what they are capable of, and using with the Quad's really adds depth without you even realising the bass is not coming from the speaker. I know I have some experiments still to do and give them more time to 'run in', but can they really get any better than this? Here's a short video by REL to give you a better view and also I don't think he his giving you any sales bullsh#t. I did see a review where the reviewer compared his Strata iii, a 10yr old model but of a similar quality, this newer model is less than half the size, faster and digs as deep as the older model: Now you're talking Dave. Proper full range system about to land . . . |
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Post by Arke on Jul 28, 2022 7:44:13 GMT
Not one to keep you all in suspense too long, here's a photo of a pretty little box, courtesy of a great price by Peter Tyson and an extra 10% off with ebay Sorry about the mess, bloody cables and the Fragile tape is a marker for positioning my other speakers. I plumbed the sub in yesterday, left it running for 2/3 hours and early this morning given them a listen, only low level, but I have to say I am very happy. Being new to subs, it is quite an experience at what they are capable of, and using with the Quad's really adds depth without you even realising the bass is not coming from the speaker. I know I have some experiments still to do and give them more time to 'run in', but can they really get any better than this? Here's a short video by REL to give you a better view and also I don't think he his giving you any sales bullsh#t. I did see a review where the reviewer compared his Strata iii, a 10yr old model but of a similar quality, this newer model is less than half the size, faster and digs as deep as the older model: Looks like a great buy - enjoy the world of more bass depth and a lovely deeper soundstage. As you know, I love my subs and feel a bit lost when mine is switched off. A top tip: I have generally found that it integrates best with the crossover slightly lower than expected and the gain a bit higher. This is a REL recommendation too. Some people use heavy electronic bass to tune them in, but that doesn't work for me, as I don't know how it should sound. I tend to use double bass, kick drum and bass guitar to get the lower registers tight, deep and fast. You know the crossover is too high when it starts to sound a bit too full and 'bloomy'. ENJOY! |
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Post by stryder5 on Jul 28, 2022 7:54:39 GMT
Not one to keep you all in suspense too long, here's a photo of a pretty little box, courtesy of a great price by Peter Tyson and an extra 10% off with ebay Sorry about the mess, bloody cables and the Fragile tape is a marker for positioning my other speakers. I plumbed the sub in yesterday, left it running for 2/3 hours and early this morning given them a listen, only low level, but I have to say I am very happy. Being new to subs, it is quite an experience at what they are capable of, and using with the Quad's really adds depth without you even realising the bass is not coming from the speaker. I know I have some experiments still to do and give them more time to 'run in', but can they really get any better than this? Here's a short video by REL to give you a better view and also I don't think he his giving you any sales bullsh#t. I did see a review where the reviewer compared his Strata iii, a 10yr old model but of a similar quality, this newer model is less than half the size, faster and digs as deep as the older model: Love the wallpaper. |
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Post by antonio on Jul 28, 2022 8:05:50 GMT
I haven't been listening to bass orientated music so far, Acoustic Alchemy and Alison Krauss & Union Station, but have read a couple of recommendations to help tine them in, will link to them later. stryder5 the wallpaper was up when we purchased the property and is only on one wall.  and this one is on the other 3 walls, beige colour if it doesn't come out very well:  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 9:07:13 GMT
Is it the “garden” room?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 28, 2022 9:43:05 GMT
Everything is looking rosey
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Post by jandl100 on Jul 28, 2022 10:29:24 GMT
Not one to keep you all in suspense too long, here's a photo of a pretty little box, courtesy of a great price by Peter Tyson and an extra 10% off with ebay What a lucky coincidence that the REL just happens to have the same decorative pattern as the wallpaper! |
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Post by antonio on Jul 28, 2022 13:12:06 GMT
jandl100 I'm afraid it's a reflection, my photographic skills are not up to your standard, and I can only dream of taking 'p-a-n-o-r-a-m-i-c' snaps, so much favoured by you 
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 28, 2022 13:35:50 GMT
jandl100 I'm afraid it's a reflection, my photographic skills are not up to your standard, and I can only dream of taking 'p-a-n-o-r-a-m-i-c' snaps, so much favoured by you I think he knew that  |
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Post by antonio on Jul 28, 2022 14:01:18 GMT
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Post by jandl100 on Jul 28, 2022 14:21:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 14:27:20 GMT
I was only asking, as the person that fitted that must have put it in the wrong room. Why would you fit wallpaper that says “Jardin” in a “chambre”? je ne crois pas, mais c’est comme ça, bonnet do douche! |
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Post by stryder5 on Jul 28, 2022 16:38:11 GMT
I was only asking, as the person that fitted that must have put it in the wrong room. Why would you fit wallpaper that says “Jardin” in a “chambre”? je ne crois pas, mais c’est comme ça, bonnet do douche! Possibly a Freudian mistake, could have been named Jordan...so perfect for a bedroom! Gary |
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Post by antonio on Jul 28, 2022 17:25:43 GMT
@pigmypony All I can say is everyone has different tastes, like I said, it was the wallpaper that came with the property, and maybe not a paper I would have chosen, I don't dislike it so it's staying. |
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Post by antonio on Jul 28, 2022 17:28:09 GMT
OMG Obviously not a twitcher, unless your listening to some rock music through your headphones |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Jul 28, 2022 17:37:06 GMT
Good move getting the sub Dave, REL's Ti series are said to be fast on their feet, and probably a better fit for audio than most of their other models. Only criticism I've seen was about their slightly 'blingy' looks. I think they look pretty cool. I have just got one myself last week (T9i), made Nintronics an offer which they accepted. Ashamed to say I still haven't done anything with it yet!
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Post by antonio on Jul 28, 2022 17:54:42 GMT
@pigmy pony Well I like the looks of mine, although it is mostly hidden at the moment, giving it at least one week before I change the setting or move it. I'll look forward to your findings, at the moment I had mine sounding great when listening at a quiet level, turning up the volume and it seems the bass is a little too much, that's using the volume control on the amp by the way.
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Jul 28, 2022 19:52:34 GMT
I have read somewhere that after getting the level at something you're happy with, stick with that a week or so, then turn it down a smidge. And you'll be pretty much sorted. Doesn't sound very scientific, but that's what I'll be trying. Long term I may get a second one - it is recommended (by some) as a way to get a more even bass response in the room, by moving them around the room. But that's for another day I haven't even bought the sub to give me more bass as such, but rather to (hopefully) help bring some balance to my speakers' rather forward mids presentation. I hope I'm right... I'll be following your findings with interest Dave. |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Jul 28, 2022 20:28:12 GMT
@pigmypony All I can say is everyone has different tastes, like I said, it was the wallpaper that came with the property, and maybe not a paper I would have chosen, I don't dislike it so it's staying.  I never mentioned your wallpaper! |
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Jul 28, 2022 20:39:26 GMT
One more thing worthy of mention - your REL will have it's driver firing downwards, so if you have suspended wooden floors it would be worth experimenting with something solid underneath. Ignore this if your floor is solid. |
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Post by wackjob on Jul 29, 2022 7:50:08 GMT
One more thing worthy of mention - your REL will have it's driver firing downwards, so if you have suspended wooden floors it would be worth experimenting with something solid underneath. Ignore this if your floor is solid. That will do nothing to isolate the sub from the floor and it will continue to sing along to the music. ***Admin edit*** |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 29, 2022 7:58:01 GMT
One more thing worthy of mention - your REL will have it's driver firing downwards, so if you have suspended wooden floors it would be worth experimenting with something solid underneath. Ignore this if your floor is solid. That will do nothing to isolate the sub from the floor and it will continue to sing along to the music. ***Admin edit*** Wackjob, We don't do that here. The first part of your post is fine, but the rest wasn't necessary. BTW, the idea isn't to isolate the sub, the idea is to create a surface area that is much heavier, which changes the resonant frequency. We did that in my room which has a floor like a trampoline. A 12" Quadral sub and a lump of board heavy enough to sink. I didn't think it would work, but it did. |
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Post by jandl100 on Jul 29, 2022 8:00:44 GMT
I've tried the slab under the downward facing subwoofer trick before and found it worked OK.
Rather than the sound waves going straight through the floor they get omnidirectionally diffused back into the room. Or so it seems to me.
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Post by optical on Jul 29, 2022 8:50:04 GMT
Granite plints just larger than the footprint of the subs worked best for me, with sorbothane feet on the legs of the subs.
Playing around with the height between the driver on the bottom of the sub and the plinths also has an effect on the output. Closer to the plinth the bass is a bit tighter and accurate (to my ears, 'faster').
A bit more space between and it's more prominent, projecting it into the room a bit more. Some people say technically (under about 80hz) bass is omnidirectional, it's not, I can clearly hear the shift of bass-lines between left and right when using two subs, one for each channel. So having a sub placed in one corner always sounds slightly biased to that side in my experience.
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Post by dt79 on Jul 29, 2022 10:15:17 GMT
If a sub needs isolating then I've found the Auralex Subdude is excellent, if a little overpriced for what it is. It's (what I assume is) an MDF plinth covered in black fabric, on a base of acoustic foam. I had terrible trouble with my home cinema subs transmitting vibrations through the suspended wooden floor and rattling everything in the room, but the Subdudes have all but eliminated it. I ended up using them in combination with Soundcare Superspikes screwed into the existing feet. They're like a spike and captive 'shoe'. Again expensive for what they are and in situ no different from a regular spike and protective footer, but they are worth their weight in gold whenever you need to move the sub and don't want to stab yourself or damage the floor with spikes.
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Post by jandl100 on Jul 29, 2022 10:25:48 GMT
I've got Auralex platforms under my speakers, similarly to the Subdudes they are MDF platforms in this case with layers of different density foam attached. I find them very effective. Overpriced, as per dt79's observation, but I managed to get them in a half price sale. |
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Post by antonio on Jul 29, 2022 10:50:15 GMT
At the moment my subs are placed on the thin carpet (not pile), and to me it sounds fine, listening this morning, at low volume, it really did seem to integrate with the Quad's well.
Going to give it a few more days yet before fiddling.
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Post by optical on Jul 29, 2022 10:59:58 GMT
At the moment my subs are placed on the thin carpet (not pile), and to me it sounds fine, listening this morning, at low volume, it really did seem to integrate with the Quad's well. Going to give it a few more days yet before fiddling. Get fiddling Dave . . . . honestly it will elevate them significantly when dialled in right . . . Obviously write down the current settings of volume and crossover as well as position of sub in the room in case you fail to improve anything and have to revert to previous settings. Honestly it's really worth having a play but if you're settled so be it. Glad it sounds good, adding subs ALWAYS does (if the other parts of the equation, room, positioning etc will integrate with them). |
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Post by antonio on Jul 29, 2022 12:39:47 GMT
I was only giving them a few days 'running in' before fiddling, always thought that was best for new speakers.
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Post by Arke on Jul 29, 2022 13:42:50 GMT
I was only giving them a few days 'running in' before fiddling, always thought that was best for new speakers. Definitely wise. Did you check REL's run in recommendations? - you need to play it pretty loud (best to go out, as loud!) to break it in properly. Otherwise it can take weeks or months to break in. |
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I never mentioned your wallpaper!