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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 20:12:16 GMT
Either have i Seven months now....im still fukin waiting.
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 7, 2019 21:15:56 GMT
lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:17:26 GMT
Thanks.......😒😒😒
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 23:23:46 GMT
Either have i Seven months now....im still fukin waiting. Seven months?! Some babies are born sooner! Are they building it up atom by atom?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 9:36:47 GMT
Either have i Seven months now....im still fukin waiting. Yea, told you to get the Line Magnetic, but no you weren't going to wait for stock, so enjoy the wait and stop blubbing.
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Post by antonio on Jul 20, 2019 17:54:11 GMT
Here's Jammy's review of his new amps.
RADFORD REVIVAL STA-25 (mk5) Review.
(Currently used in conjunction with) Marantz CD-73 player / Rothwell Indus passive preamp / Falcon Acoustics LS3/5A speakers.
(Why)? I have always hankered after a Radford - STA since first hearing my uncles one way back in 1976. Now I can't be sure if it was a 15 or 25 to be honest, but one thing I can still remember was the magical sound it produced and the good times we spent listening to his album collection, It was this experience that piqued my interest and set me on the twisty HiFi road.
(Build Quality) "Good things come to those who wait" So the saying goes, and I can confirm with regard to the arrival of my new RR STA-25 this is indeed the case.....It's been a long (43 year) wait. Attention to detail / Fit and finish / Meticulous build quality - Would put a Fabergé Egg to shame !! Words simply don't do it justice, this amplifier really has to be seen in the flesh (so to speak) to truly appreciate the work that "Will & Steve" have put into it's production. Radford's original amplifiers have an enviable reputation for outstanding reliability, (of which a quick search of the web will testify) and im quite sure judging by the build and superior components used, the RR's new one's will undoubtedly carry on this enviable tradition.
(Sound Quality 1) This amp is special, it's right. And this rightness (for want of a better word) is immediately obvious from the opening bars of any track you care to throw at it. There is no woolyness or warmth (common to a lot of valve amps) present here, instead it portrays the music faithfully, with tremendous grip and superb clarity. I've had more power amplifiers (both Valve and Transistor) than I care to remember over the last 40 years, but musically none have come remotely close to the sound that the STA produces. Put simply this is the finest sounding amplifier I have heard to date by a considerable margin. My one regret is the fact that I never discovered the existence of Radford Revival sooner.
(Sound Quality 2) I will try my best to avoid the usual hifi cliché's and superlatives, and instead try and give you some insight into a few of the STA's many virtues and strengths via few of my favourite albums. First up "Kate Bush - The Sensual World" the track "This Woman's Work" we have never heard it sound so hauntingly beautiful, had me and the better half reaching for the tissues. Next "Tori Amos - Under the Pink" play the track "Cornflake Girl" and one could be forgiven for thinking Tori has wheeled her Bosendorfer in, and is playing live in your listening room. Now apparently my LS3/5As don't do Bass and can't Rock, right ?....Wrong, (it only takes an amp of the STA's calibre and ability to make them do so) try "Grace Jones - Warm Leatherette" album, "Sly & Robbies" rhythm section is so tight and infectious I defy anyone with toes not to tap them. Whilst "Black Sabbath's - Heaven and Hell" album would have a nun headbanging...!!! Play "Tim Buckley - Letters Live" or "John Martyn - No Little Boy" albums and the STA will leave you in no doubt of its finesse and minute detail retrieval abilities. Tim's walk on introduction to raptuous applause is startlingly realistic, you can even hear the turning of sheet music..!! Whilst John's Sax player "Tony Coe" can easily be distinguished licking his lips prior to playing..!! (Thing's in the mix I've never heard before despite numerous listens via lesser amps) Well I could go on but had best stop there, and alas unless you have an STA (or it's equal) handy you may not be able to hear these things, but hopefully you get the picture.
(Value for Money) Firstly this is not a factory mass produced amp churned out in the hundreds....No no no. In the grand scheme of things audio, this is a rather rare beast indeed. If one stops a moment and considers the fact that the Radford Revival STA is an iconic British amplifier, meticulously hand built, (with finer components and technology, not currently available to the original amps) hand wired in very small numbers to order, by a small team of dedicated and passionate audiophiles....Not to mention the man hours involved in such an undertaking. Figure in the fact that when it comes to making music, it makes the (so called) hi-end big boys costing X times the price sound bland and quite obviously flawed and lacking by comparison.
I suggest that if the Radford Revival STA was double it's current price, it would be a great bargain (and still have a lengthy waiting list). As it stands, priced at £2800 it is an absolute bloody steal.
Build quality..............10 /10 Sound quality............10 /10 Value for money........10 /10
For...............Everything. Against........Nothing. (waiting list aside)
I would now like to close with a BIG thank you to Steve & Will Moores and all associated with Radford Revival, who's dedication and passion continue to bring Arthur Radford & John Widgery's classic amplifiers to a new generation of music lovers worldwide.
THANK YOU. A.J.W.R. (2019).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 18:18:08 GMT
That Radford amp had to beat the Sh#t out of his previous NVA stuff.
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Post by antonio on Jul 20, 2019 18:38:20 GMT
That Radford amp had to beat the Sh#t out of his previous NVA stuff. S. Are you saying it's an unfair and biased review Shane?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 18:50:13 GMT
Not at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 22:37:51 GMT
I can’t help thinking it’s a bit held back by the cdp and speakers he’s using.... a pair of big jbl or tannoys would let it really fly
Awesome amps though
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 21, 2019 2:08:54 GMT
Good point, although I know little of the Radford. I’m not sure what phono stage he’s using but a standard Technics with Goldring MM isn’t going to be much better than the CD source either. None of that matters in the grand scheme though. I just hope he enjoys it and I hope he keeps on the straight and narrow so he remains a member and is able to talk about his hobby.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 21, 2019 8:11:43 GMT
The Falcon 3/5A's totally limit the performance of the amp as well in my opinion and very recent experience - nasty quacky sssspiteful things - heard them again last week - ugh! and even with a ss amp, they DON'T do bass apart from a tuneless thump! So there! Maybe they unravel compressed hard rock productions better at low volumes, but they still give me a headache with their underlying coarseness - The local dealer here who loves 'em can't understand my vibe on them either and they sell them too
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 21, 2019 11:22:30 GMT
I’ve never heard them but I expected them to be pipe and slippers stuff. Whatever their merits or downsides, the size is just too limited and I’d bet my arse on them quacking as Dave says, been there and done that, at least 48 times!
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Post by macca on Jul 21, 2019 12:15:50 GMT
I've heard all the constituent parts of that system (except the Marantz 72, although I do have a 54 which I'll bet is very similar) but not all together. Based on that I'd expect it to sound very good, not as in a studio console sort of sound but in terms of being 'musically satisfying', easy to listen to for very long sessions, and will treat all recordings equally. If you just want the system out of the way so you can enjoy the music I can see it all working together fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 12:22:24 GMT
It might do but you can achieve that without a big Radford amp, and you can achieve a lot more having bought a big Radford amp.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 21, 2019 13:27:44 GMT
I’ve never heard them but I expected them to be pipe and slippers stuff. Whatever their merits or downsides, the size is just too limited and I’d bet my arse on them quacking as Dave says, been there and done that, at least 48 times! We have to remember what the 3/5A was FOR, and I was informed by a few BBC chaps right when it was a main small monitor for them that it's prime function was to reproduce if not emphasise distortion and hiss in a small control environment as in OB vans, this being a prime task for pro monitors as regards relaxed domestic listening. Accurate music reproduction was never really part of their portfolio as the BBC had grade 1 monitors for that task.
Kans are rather different and failings in the main driver are to me exaggerated although the crossover wasn't simple and some care WAS taken to get them to work right (each Kan was measured for example and I suspect the Scan tweeter was more consistent than the T27 as well).
Being a meanie here, why not look at what the BBC are using TODAY, rather than resurrecting what they used forty odd years ago? They use Dynaudio BM5A's of varying vintages. These can be got for well under a grand the pair as fully active monitors, they look nice in an industrial kind of way and whatever the sonic qualities, a lot of real bang up to date engineering has gone into the design and build of the things using modern materials.
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Post by macca on Jul 21, 2019 14:25:21 GMT
measurements of the Falcon LS3/5A here www.stereophile.com/content/falcon-acoustics-ls35a-loudspeaker-measurementsEssentially it's a disaster around 100Hz and then you've got that midrange bump at 1khz in the middle of what is otherwise a wide trough. But in reality these things matter less to enjoying the speaker than you might think. In fact the opposite, the peak and long reverb tails around 100Hz will give more satisfying bass than you'd expect to get from a dinky little speaker, the peak at 1Khz is too narrow to be obvious, and the trough across the midband will make them less inclined to shout, in other words they will sound polite, even with The Ramones playing. As Dave says they were designed for use inside a van and for monitoring speech broadcasts (not recordings). Not as bridge monitors in a recording studio or for a mastering suite. But then a lot of speakers that were used for monitor purposes back in the day this design was current are not exactly paragons of neutrality either - JBL, Tannoy, Altec all spring to mind. And not everyone wants a speaker that is as neutral as it is possible to get. All speakers add some colour, so choose your poison.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 21, 2019 15:09:39 GMT
I would dispute the 1Khz approx peak as being too narrow. It was clearly audible in mid 80's examples and I feel it adds a certain 'coldness' to the music and on more intense female vocals it made me wince via the Falcons last week. The mid trough pushes the general image back a bit I find and apparently this aids nearfield listening. That and the hf character does not make for a laid back listen and you only need a short while comparing with P3ESR's to hopefully understand this comparison. i don't care overmuch for either by the way as like macca, I prefer bigger boxes and the ease they often portray, but your mileage may vary depending on how you enjoy and feel the music being reproduced via your playback system.
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Post by antonio on Jul 21, 2019 15:36:18 GMT
Well I heard the Falcon speaker at Cranage, and for us were one of the two best sounding rooms there. They were partnered by a Primare intergrated and MoFi deck. I was surprised how far out into the room these were placed, but for me, certainly did not lack bass for such a small speaker and in no way were they spitty.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 21, 2019 16:55:18 GMT
What did you like about them? I walked into the room at Audio East, the music was coming from behind and I could pretty well guess what was playing (I was right and again, I think Primare was used). I asked them to play the floor standing RAM speakers at £3k or so alongside them and to my ears anyway, it was night and day in the midband and top, the bass gaining another half octave obviously, which I liked very much.
Like I said, probably my hearing as everyone seems to love them except me.
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Post by antonio on Jul 21, 2019 17:41:49 GMT
I liked the system because it played music, I didn't have to get up and walk out of the room, like a few other rooms at the show. Have you heard those expensive Kudos speakers Dave, if so what do you think of them?
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Post by dsjr on Jul 21, 2019 18:55:16 GMT
I'm worried what to say now as I'm going to alienate even more people... Once again, I have to say my experiences and observations are but mine alone and others may well feel differently!
I heard the top Kudos with a Fraimful-o-Naim at the local show in 2017 - I thought the sound mechanical and not involving at all. I also heard one of them (707?) passive with Chord Electronics and that was (to me) horrible and rather hard and flat.
At the show last autumn, they exhibited the stand mount Titans with a full Linn active setup with DSP (I think) and it was LOUD but not exactly 'subtle' as such. A system for analysing the music rather than for easy enjoyment - in my opinion.
In more recent times I've heard the Titan 707 floor stander passive with Naim and found it a bit ballistic in a medium size room and not what I'd call 'real' - however that describes a reproduced mix of sounds... the top sizzles a bit but you get used to it. Ten days or so ago, I was able to hear first, the Titan 707 with a shedload of active Naim 552/Supercaps/555/NDS? 'whatever' driving them and they sounded great - but for £100k or so they bloody well ought to! No idea how a set of my beloved ATC's at a third of the cost would compare though..
...And then the following day, in the same room and with a 'mere' £2k Melco source, I heard the Kii Threes with controller. I fell in love with them as the total lack of mid-bass forced blood and thunder while keeping a tuneful lower bass came as a breath of fresh air. The top end being almost 'sweet' which amazed me for Class D amps (Hypex I believe). I appreciate this tone not being to everyone's taste depending on room size, but the similar balance Dynaudio Confidence 60's gave me a headache in comparison (my local dealer can't believe it) when played via a Naim Statement amp (they're now suggesting a Levinson integrated is a good match but I haven't heard this combination).
A note to Rudi - Believe it or not, I do have a life away from audio forums (mainly just this one now) and coming here is usually a respite from it, especially recently with various things causing much stress.
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Post by karma67 on Jul 21, 2019 19:04:51 GMT
er would you mind explaining for those that dont use hifi speak what you mean by 'I thought the sound mechanical'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 19:08:52 GMT
Just out of curiosity, DSJR. What speakers do you like for easy enjoyment?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 21, 2019 19:19:15 GMT
I'm worried what to say now as I'm going to alienate even more people... Once again, I have to say my experiences and observations are but mine alone and others may well feel differently! I heard the top Kudos with a Fraimful-o-Naim at the local show in 2017 - I thought the sound mechanical and not involving at all. I also heard one of them (707?) passive with Chord Electronics and that was (to me) horrible and rather hard and flat. At the show last autumn, they exhibited the stand mount Titans with a full Linn active setup with DSP (I think) and it was LOUD but not exactly 'subtle' as such. A system for analysing the music rather than for easy enjoyment - in my opinion. In more recent times I've heard the Titan 707 floor stander passive with Naim and found it a bit ballistic in a medium size room and not what I'd call 'real' - however that describes a reproduced mix of sounds... the top sizzles a bit but you get used to it. Ten days or so ago, I was able to hear first, the Titan 707 with a shedload of active Naim 552/Supercaps/555/NDS? 'whatever' driving them and they sounded great - but for £100k or so they bloody well ought to! No idea how a set of my beloved ATC's at a third of the cost would compare though.. ...And then the following day, in the same room and with a 'mere' £2k Melco source, I heard the Kii Threes with controller. I fell in love with them as the total lack of mid-bass forced blood and thunder while keeping a tuneful lower bass came as a breath of fresh air. The top end being almost 'sweet' which amazed me for Class D amps (Hypex I believe). I appreciate this tone not being to everyone's taste depending on room size, but the similar balance Dynaudio Confidence 60's gave me a headache in comparison (my local dealer can't believe it) when played via a Naim Statement amp (they're now suggesting a Levinson integrated is a good match but I haven't heard this combination). A note to Rudi - Believe it or not, I do have a life away from audio forums (mainly just this one now) and coming here is usually a respite from it, especially recently with various things causing much stress. I’d never even heard of Kii. They sure are attractive
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 21, 2019 19:23:26 GMT
Just found a vid of falcon LS3/5a with Primare, I sure hope for once that the video doesn’t give a fair idea of the sound. Anyone not into vids should still watch in order to see a rare public appearance of Worzel Gummidge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 19:29:45 GMT
er would you mind explaining for those that dont use hifi speak what you mean by 'I thought the sound mechanical' I take mechanical to be hard and soulless. Could be wrong.
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Post by antonio on Jul 22, 2019 10:21:31 GMT
I'm worried what to say now as I'm going to alienate even more people... Once again, I have to say my experiences and observations are but mine alone and others may well feel differently! I heard the top Kudos with a Fraimful-o-Naim at the local show in 2017 - I thought the sound mechanical and not involving at all. I also heard one of them (707?) passive with Chord Electronics and that was (to me) horrible and rather hard and flat. At the show last autumn, they exhibited the stand mount Titans with a full Linn active setup with DSP (I think) and it was LOUD but not exactly 'subtle' as such. A system for analysing the music rather than for easy enjoyment - in my opinion. In more recent times I've heard the Titan 707 floor stander passive with Naim and found it a bit ballistic in a medium size room and not what I'd call 'real' - however that describes a reproduced mix of sounds... the top sizzles a bit but you get used to it. Ten days or so ago, I was able to hear first, the Titan 707 with a shedload of active Naim 552/Supercaps/555/NDS? 'whatever' driving them and they sounded great - but for £100k or so they bloody well ought to! No idea how a set of my beloved ATC's at a third of the cost would compare though.. ...And then the following day, in the same room and with a 'mere' £2k Melco source, I heard the Kii Threes with controller. I fell in love with them as the total lack of mid-bass forced blood and thunder while keeping a tuneful lower bass came as a breath of fresh air. The top end being almost 'sweet' which amazed me for Class D amps (Hypex I believe). I appreciate this tone not being to everyone's taste depending on room size, but the similar balance Dynaudio Confidence 60's gave me a headache in comparison (my local dealer can't believe it) when played via a Naim Statement amp (they're now suggesting a Levinson integrated is a good match but I haven't heard this combination). A note to Rudi - Believe it or not, I do have a life away from audio forums (mainly just this one now) and coming here is usually a respite from it, especially recently with various things causing much stress. You won't alienate me Dave, amazingly we all hear things different. The reason I asked about Kudos speakers, on three occasions my brother and I have simply had to walk out on their demonstrations, the treble far too exaggerated for our ears. When I go and listen, I don't break up the sound into treble, mids and bass, just like to get a feel for the sound as a whole. Maybe that is why I'm a fan of omni/semi omni speakers.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 22, 2019 11:53:00 GMT
Which Kudos models? the smaller ones have always been 'not nice' to me because of the highly boosted hf (domestic PMC's do this, but it's not as unpleasant to my ears) and the more expensive floor standers I've heard have an #organ pipe' bass tuning - one note honk masquerading as bass to my ears. The Kudos Titans seem to take the sizzle higher up where it's not as much of a problem for me, but then the lower and is all explosive blood and thunder - like my Harbeths but better - cough.... (Currently trying again and the SHL5's are a median 16" from the back wall on 20" stands - that's better but I can't keep them this far out The baby floor stander is truly horrible - to me, bright and coarse in the upper mids (cheap main driver I suspect) and uncouth further up too. the falcon 3/5A brought in after was undeniably better, but the same sound and nothing like as smooth and 'integrated' as say, the smaller Russell K speakers, which I shouldn't mention much because Russell's an old pal of mine since the mid 70's KJ W1 days...
Apologies as always for my thread drifts...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 12:36:56 GMT
Apologies as always for my thread drifts...
I wish you'd stop apologising Dave. I'm perfectly happy to read anything you have to say. (And don't say "Sorry" )
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