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Post by pete on Jan 18, 2022 13:21:48 GMT
I have been thinking for sometime that I would like to add some highlights of my Hi-Fi journey here.
Over the past 40+ years I have gained great enjoyment from listening to music. My early memories of my father tormenting the family with his Jazz 78s he bought in his youth, played on a Dansette, are happy ones. He was always vey precious with his record player, and the day we went to a department store to buy a new HMV stereogram, was another memorable occasion. He would go on about the woofers and tweeters, and how great James Last sounded with his new equipment. As a small child I was dragged around record departments or department stores (remember them), with my dad leafing through vinyl, his choice being limited to his self imposed £1 maximum purchase price. This meant that his budget would only stretch to those 'Stereo Sampler' albums, which were so popular in the early 70s. He still has them in his teak record cabinet, with its sliding doors.
As I got older I was allowed to turn on the Stereogram and listen to the radio, David Hamilton on FM on weekday afternoons, one of the few times Radio 1 was broadcast on FM, unfortunately, only to be heard on school holidays.
After lots of pestering, I was allowed to spend my birthday and Christmas savings on a prized Prinz cassette recorder, purchased from Dixons on St Mary's Street Cardiff, for the the huge amount of £10-99. A massive amount of money for me. I would do the usual thing of recording with my microphone pressed to the speaker, catching favourite records of the day, shouting at anyone in the room who dared to talk as I was recording. Developing that skill to turn on and off, just to miss the chatter of the DJ; something I discovered to be very helpful when I did some radio work in my student days.
Over times I outgrew the Prinz and bought a Phillips recorder with a din lead, which allowed me to connect the machine to the Stereogram, this is where the HiFi journey really began!!
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Post by antonio on Jan 18, 2022 13:55:23 GMT
Wonderful memories Pete, for me it was quite the opposite, my mother and father were never really interested in music, it was me who pestered them into buying something, in the end it was a Sanyo unit with speakers, not really hifi but at least I could go out and buy LP's.
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Post by macca on Jan 18, 2022 14:57:57 GMT
we dreamed of Sanyo, had to make do with Saisho. I used to put the speakers as far apart as the captive speaker cables would allow.
It was better than nothing but when I think how that compared to what I have now it's a different world, different universe.
I still listen to all the same albums as I did back then so that's not changed although my tastes are a bit wider now.
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Post by pete on Jan 18, 2022 15:05:03 GMT
we dreamed of Sanyo, had to make do with Saisho. I used to put the speakers as far apart as the captive speaker cables would allow. It was better than nothing but when I think how that compared to what I have now it's a different world, different universe. I still listen to all the same albums as I did back then so that's not changed although my tastes are a bit wider now. Haha, forgot about Saisho, you could peal the name label off and another brand would be underneath.
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Post by lurch on Jan 18, 2022 19:11:51 GMT
I remember my dad had a dansette type record player which he donated to me when I was 14 as he'd been out and bought a Pye music centre which I loved as it meant I could record the charts direct in one un instead of with a mic via, my mono Sony portable cassette. I would also record friends albums when they brought them round. At 18 I finally upgraded from the Dansette to a stereo record player (the speakers joined to form the lid) but any recording had to be done on dad's music centre. At 21 I progressed to a Sharps midi system with pseudo separates look (record cupboard with gless door as the bottom half). It was at this point I discovered I'd wasted my time recording all my mates records as they could only be played on the music centre, on my Sharps unit they all sounded like the bloody chipmunks as his cassette deck ran slow. It wasn't until I got married and bought my 1st house and heard my neighbours Rega 3, A60 & Kans that I realised what I'd been missing all those years and so the hifi desease took hold.
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Post by pete on Jan 18, 2022 19:33:58 GMT
I remember my dad had a dansette type record player which he donated to me when I was 14 as he'd been out and bought a Pye music centre which I loved as it meant I could record the charts direct in one un instead of with a mic via, my mono Sony portable cassette. I would also record friends albums when they brought them round. At 18 I finally upgraded from the Dansette to a stereo record player (the speakers joined to form the lid) but any recording had to be done on dad's music centre. At 21 I progressed to a Sharps midi system with pseudo separates look (record cupboard with gless door as the bottom half). It was at this point I discovered I'd wasted my time recording all my mates records as they could only be played on the music centre, on my Sharps unit they all sounded like the bloody chipmunks as his cassette deck ran slow. It wasn't until I got married and bought my 1st house and heard my neighbours Rega 3, A60 & Kans that I realised what I'd been missing all those years and so the hifi desease took hold. It is amazing, the similarities between our experiences!! Guess that is why we are here!
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Post by gninnam on Jan 18, 2022 20:06:49 GMT
Good story. I started with a red Dansette record player (loved the glow of the valve and waiting for it to warm up) in my shared bedroom (me and my brother) and stacking the 45's on it (Chubby Checker, Beatles, Buddy holly etc - would have been around 5 or so (50 plus years ago)
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Post by pete on Jan 18, 2022 20:20:12 GMT
Good story. I started with a red Dansette record player (loved the glow of the valve and waiting for it to warm up) in my shared bedroom (me and my brother) and stacking the 45's on it (Chubby Checker, Beatles, Buddy holly etc - would have been around 5 or so (50 plus years ago) Great memory, I have recently bough an old, blue Dansette, with the single valve amp. It has a beautiful warm sound so much better than any new record player, why would you buy a new one. It was just £35, needed a bit of tidying and is mint now.
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Post by pete on Jan 18, 2022 20:35:00 GMT
So, picking up from earlier, the DIN lead made all the difference, and will reappear a couple more times in my journey.
Because the Stereogram had a DIN output I thought I could plug in direct and record from the radio and Garrard record deck.
To digress, my grandfather told a good story of how he used to make packing cases for the Garrard factory in Swindon, in the 1960s. So if you have one of the decks, and a wooden packing box, he may of been making it all those years ago.
So, on my first attempt I had not allowed for one important fact. My father's guided pride for HIS Stereogram. He pounced, shouted, and demanded I withdraw the witchcraft that is a DIN lead, he was convinced that it would destroy the Stereogram. I withdrew and considered my next attempt.
Sadly, his arrival home was somewhat later than my school boy determined appearance beside the Stereogram. Here I was, ready for my second attempt. Phillips recorder, WH Smith C90, DIN lead and a Top of the Pops LP, on of those with a woman wearing surprising little clothing in the snow. Everything was plugged in, I released the pause button, lowered the arm and I was off, recording a decidedly dodgy 'sound alike' of Pepper Box by The Peppers. Everything was perfect until I went for replay. Disaster, for some reason the output of the Stereogram was different to the input range on the cassette player. Failure, I could not record from the Stereogram, unless I went back to the microphone and a silent room method. I needed another plan.
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Post by optical on Jan 19, 2022 12:48:18 GMT
Hi Pete,
great stuff so far, I'm too impatient to wait for it to appear in paperback, so I'm looking forward to the next installment right here.
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Post by pete on Jan 19, 2022 18:25:41 GMT
I needed another plan.
I was starting to buy my own records, pretty bland stuff initially, think the first single was 'Life is a Minestrone' by 10CC, possibly because I quite liked Italian food, I did like how the rhythm changed during the track though. I persuaded my mother to take me to that renowned store for great music reproduction equipment: Dan Evans, Barry - a department store on the High Street, for non-locals! I eyed up a really poor, 100% plastic record player. Can't remember the make, but it had a 7" turntable and something like a knitting needle for an arm. It did 33 and 45 and its amplification was a very, bedroom friendly low level. At least, my parents considered it bedroom friendly, I thought it was pretty pathetic, any sort of volume and the plastic speakers seemed to be full of bees!
So, I was up in my bedroom, playing records, and being able to tape the ones borrowed from friends with my microphone, still not ideal. Especially when my younger brother would love to bang on the door to ruin any recording session. Also, any lp, not 100% flat, on the 7" turntable would look like the pacific in a storm, with the little arm pitching up and down, trying, hopefully, barely hanging on.... This lasted a little while, probably a couple of years, but another plan was needed and the little stereo was sold to Nigel Adams.
Why I thought a Decca stereo, with radio, and Garrard turntable was the best option for me, I don't know. I guess it was on display in Dan Evan's electrical dept. I think I even asked for a demonstration. Probably some bloke playing a stereo sampler record was about the limit of that - although, this is better. than some of the treatment that I have had in HiFi shops since then. Christmas, birthday, pocket money and paper round savings covered the cost. I think it was about £60.... I was upgrading! Bloody slippery slope.
Getting it home and setting it up, i.e. plugging in and taking off stylus protector and unscrewing transit screws, took about 1 minute. Record on the full 12" platter, volume up, and the bees were gone. What it did achieve was a new record for my father getting up stairs to shout at me to turn that bloody rubbish down. Fantastic, achievement, upsetting parents with musical choices. By this stage I had a few Slade albums, punk singles,T . Rex,. Sparks, and a mixture of other stuff that could be played loudish, and the bees were gone. I tentatively plugged in the DIN lead, TDK C60, needle dropped, pause off and record. Brother banging and parents shouting was not now able to penetrate the DIN lead and perfect recording, along with perfect playback. Thinks were moving in the right direction. I then discovered that the tape player could be set so you could record with the microphone while also recording from the lead, you could sing over records (bad, why would you want to do that), or you could do your own introductions, DJ style, also cringingly bad, thankfully those tapes are long gone.
Somehow though, after a little time passed I realised that the sound quality from the Phillips was not as good as vinyl, think I may have heard that few times since. I needed something that was stereo, and better quality, and without the ability to sing over stuff.
I needed another plan.
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Post by lurch on Jan 19, 2022 19:28:11 GMT
Yep I recognise that family of bees 😂😂 and the turn that rubbish down/off from dad. My enduring memory of music in my early/mid teens, is my dad coming into the lounge when TOTP was on, glaring at the telly, then at me, and having seen T Rex, Slade or similar he would say "With men such as these why should Britain tremble" and walk out.
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Post by macca on Jan 19, 2022 20:58:10 GMT
My father used to see Top Of The Poos and say 'They're all on drugs.' Or 'The tunes not too bad but the words are rubbish.'
He liked Little Richard and Fats Domino.
Funny really the generation gap with music. I think the current music is rubbish just like my dad did.
I don't think they're all on drugs though. Their music would be a lot better if that was true.
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Post by stevew on Jan 20, 2022 16:48:21 GMT
Great story Pete.. keep it coming. Had me racking my brain for the record player my dad bought me. A fair bit of Googling tracked it down! 1972 I reckon.
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Post by pete on Jan 20, 2022 16:57:46 GMT
Great story Pete.. keep it coming. Had me racking my brain for the record player my dad bought me. A fair bit of Googling tracked it down! 1972 I reckon. wow, a party time, amazing looking thing, bet it created a few party's in your house.
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Post by stevew on Jan 20, 2022 17:22:04 GMT
No way I’d have been allowed a party at 15.!! Think I might still have some of the singles I played on it Silver Machine - Hawkwind Meet me on the corner - Lindisfarne Of course a few Slade and T. rex.. I’d have to go find em. Bloody hell .. 50 years ago!
Can I have a biscuit?
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Post by pete on Jan 20, 2022 17:34:53 GMT
Laskys, I think, was at the top of Queen Street, Cardiff. Not nearly quite as far as where the Capital Cinema used to be, but not far away. As a teenager, it was the shop of dreams. I had been in with my friend Gareth to buy a Radio Cassette player and seen, what appeared to be, crowds of older men staring at stereo equipment.
By this time I had bought my first HiFi mag and spent hours reading it from cover to cover, cross referencing and checking what was the recommended equipment to go with what. A tape deck, Pioneer CT-200, I think, had caught my eye. It seemed a good buy, and Laskys sold it. My 16 year old legs had taken me to empty my savings account and I was on the train, with probably the best part of £100 in my pocket. I knew what I wanted, it was silver and sleek, it hade twin VU meters and I could use it to copy my mates Jethro Tull albums onto TDK SA tapes. I could easily connect it to the DIN socket on the back of my Decca record player.
In Laskys a spotty 16year old didn’t generally have staff rushing up to them to ask if they could help, so I had to ask at the counter. A bloke in a jumper, with a Magnum P.I .moustache grudgingly ‘helped’. My Hifi mag had said I needed to ask for a demonstration, which I got after lots of leads were moved around. It seemed ok, meters flickered, music came out of speakers. I was shown the leads that came with it. ‘The thing is… ‘, uttered Mr. P.I . These needle VU meters are being replaced and you should have one with these LEDs ones. I was shown, I think, an Akai CM-MO2. It flickered, it flashed, and I thought it is not the CT-200, but it is very 1980, it is the future, and P.I. told me it was great. I had the demo and it flashed and it made music. I paid and took my box home on the train.
Now, being an astute 16 year old, I had noticed that Laskys did a 14 day, no questions asked exchange. So, when I got home, at I looked up the CM-MO2 in my HiFi mag, and it didn’t’ feature as the CT-200 did, I felt let down. But I plugged it in and enjoyed it for a week. It sounded great, as it would. Tull was taped and LPs were returned. By next Saturday the CM-MO2 was doing the same. In Laskys, P.I. was not there, off for a day in his Ferrari, I guess.
I returned home with the CT-200, set it up, plugged it in, and …… I didn’t think it was as good!! Lesson learnt, the advice of some Private Investigator look alikes can possibly be trusted sometimes.
But I was happy, in my room listening to my music, and the music of my friends on the tapes.
I remember, that at the time, often, on inner sleeves, was printed Home Taping is killing music. Bet we all have loads of those sleeves. I never believed it to be true, as, whenever I taped something I liked I was off to by it on vinyl, somethings never change. Spotify is now the replacement of borrowing your mates LP, I recon.
To be continued!!
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Post by antonio on Jan 21, 2022 0:25:44 GMT
No way I’d have been allowed a party at 15.!! Think I might still have some of the singles I played on it Silver Machine - Hawkwind Meet me on the corner - Lindisfarne Of course a few Slade and T. rex.. I’d have to go find em. Bloody hell .. 50 years ago! Can I have a biscuit? and a glass of warm milk, then we'll put you to bed
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Post by antonio on Jan 21, 2022 0:33:02 GMT
I can never remember Lasky's selling any 'real' hifi, thought it was all cheap shite. It was Comet for me, they used to do full page ads and had a newspaper with all the stock they carried, and there was a small hifi shop just 5 minutes walk from the town centre I liked to visit, well at least look in the window.
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Post by pete on Jan 21, 2022 9:05:49 GMT
I can never remember Lasky's selling any 'real' hifi, thought it was all cheap shite. It was Comet for me, they used to do full page ads and had a newspaper with all the stock they carried, and there was a small hifi shop just 5 minutes walk from the town centre I liked to visit, well at least look in the window. I remember the same, looking in the window, or going inside and looking, just to get the atmosphere.
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Post by macca on Jan 21, 2022 9:07:44 GMT
I remember my dad taking me to Comet to buy a hi-fi. I'd picked out the components I'd wanted from their full-page ad.
Got there and they didn't have any of it in stock, only stuff I could not afford, so I came home empty-handed. I'm still feeling disappointed about that.
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Post by pete on Jan 22, 2022 18:15:57 GMT
The funny thing is, I had my first party when I was about 15. My parents had agreed that I could have a party in my bedroom!! Looking back on it, it was just like having my mates around, but in the evening and there were Golden Wonder crisps. The Decca record player was in action and records were brought, many which people’s names written on them, incase they were misplaced. Seem to remember the evening passed with little incident, but with lots of running up and down stairs!
After my first success with a Hifi mag I bought another and devoured the pages. I started to put an ‘ideal’ budget system together. I still remember the possible parts. Record deck was either: Dual CS 505 or the slightly less well known, and slightly less available Sansui SR222 Mk2. Amplifier was the Nad 3020A or Sansui A60, speakers a Mission model and a Wharfdale one.
With Christmas and birthday ever approaching (again) and more savings i had my plans for a system. I did some local research (news paper add and phone calls) and worked out what was available. I dragged my mother off to Radiocraft in Canton, Cardiff, which is still there. Leaving the shop Father Christmas had purchased me the A60 and SR222. For some strange reason he hid them in the bottom of my parent’s wardrobe, and when they were out I unpacked and repacked the deck a few times, I was so excited I just wanted to see it and look at it.
Christmas day arrived and I ripped off the paper, unpacked, set up and had no speakers!! Looking back on it I can’t remember if this was me over looking something obvious - unlikely- or just planned deferred enjoyment, as I knew my birthday was only a few weeks away. A crappy pair of Goodmans head phones kept me company for the following weeks, probably to my parents great relief, they could not hear what I could.
The weekend after my birthday I set off to Cardiff with a pocket full of cash and went into an independent HIFI shop in Morgan Arcade, can’t remember its name, it may have been City Radio. This was a far more formal shop, with beards and turtle necks and less women than Laskys. Looking around with Gareth, who was not interested in hifi, I was directed to a pair of AR 18s, I can’t remember if they were mentioned in the HIFI mag, but what the hell, they were in my price range, they looked good and sounded great and we were off carrying them home on the train! That was probably why I got him to come with me. I can’t believe it now, I took a pair of reasonably heavy bookshelf speakers home on the train, with my parent’s house about 1 mile from the station at the other end. I think I still owe Gareth. Although a few year in the future (spoiler) I sold this system to him.
Back home, I was set, ready for some serious listening, all wired up with some QED 79 strand!
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Post by pete on Jan 22, 2022 18:43:27 GMT
I forgot to mention the Nagoka MP11 cartridge!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 23, 2022 6:31:09 GMT
Enjoying this, Pete!
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Post by jandl100 on Jan 23, 2022 8:23:27 GMT
I can never remember Lasky's selling any 'real' hifi, thought it was all cheap shite. It was Comet for me, they used to do full page ads and had a newspaper with all the stock they carried, and there was a small hifi shop just 5 minutes walk from the town centre I liked to visit, well at least look in the window. It's amazing how we have different memories of these things. Comet - now that really was cheap shite. Laskys. Hmm, I guess you never went upstairs in the big Totty Court Road shop. Some stunningly amazing gear there. And it would still be that today with the same gear. Mahoosive JBLs, kilobuck Tandberg R2R, Japanese amp esoterica. Some jaw drop kit. Wow, memories!
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Post by stevew on Jan 23, 2022 9:01:59 GMT
Talking of cheap shite, I remember my dad getting an Amstrad tuner. Probably from Comet in Oxford. He’d plugged it into his Pye Black Box. Another piece of cheap shite. I remember the tuning disk of the Amstrad loosing the ability to turn and stay in position, it was like it had a lead weight on part of the dial so could never keep tuned. He used to jam bits of card behind the dial to stop it spinning. To think that Alan Sugar made millions from churning out garbage like that.
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Post by lurch on Jan 23, 2022 9:17:14 GMT
Yep he certainly made plenty from hawking Sh#t to the masses. I remember one Xmas being wowed by an Amstrad stack system my Uncle had bought and installed, I'd never seen anything like it, everything you could ever need and lights aswell. In the afternoon because my sister and I were the only youngsters (<15) amongst 17 crotchetey (the young should be seen and not heard) adults, he put on the latest record, Jean Michel Jarres' Oxygene. It did sound amazing to my ears and after I often went into Woolworths and drooled over this £139.99 marvel (£149.99 with graphic equaliser) along with the Tomas mopeds. The man certainly knew how to polish a turd and make money.
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Post by stevew on Jan 23, 2022 10:33:21 GMT
You know what’s nice though… Oxygene stood the test of time. Unlike all the punk stuff I thought had replaced it a year later.. which has decidedly not aged well. Bit like Amstrad
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Post by antonio on Jan 23, 2022 15:29:14 GMT
I can never remember Lasky's selling any 'real' hifi, thought it was all cheap shite. It was Comet for me, they used to do full page ads and had a newspaper with all the stock they carried, and there was a small hifi shop just 5 minutes walk from the town centre I liked to visit, well at least look in the window. It's amazing how we have different memories of these things. Comet - now that really was cheap shite. Laskys. Hmm, I guess you never went upstairs in the big Totty Court Road shop. Some stunningly amazing gear there. And it would still be that today with the same gear. Mahoosive JBLs, kilobuck Tandberg R2R, Japanese amp esoterica. Some jaw drop kit. Wow, memories! Never went there sadly. Maybe I've got the wrong shop but I remember them selling Realistic in Grimsby.
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Post by jandl100 on Jan 23, 2022 15:44:12 GMT
Realistic is Tandy, not Laskys.
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