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Post by robbiegong on Dec 8, 2021 21:18:33 GMT
But I question the best “bang for buck is an SP10, period….” I think we're likely gonna go round and round and round..... Name any proper high end tt, what would it cost ? then look at the SP10 MK2. Yes they may have gone up a little lately but still...up until not too long ago, Mk2's could be picked up for under £1k, plenty. A MK2 sold October end, for £836 after 16 bids, with tonearm and plinth. States, Re-capped and professionally renovated etc etc - Seen loads go for this type of money. Used to be a regular comment and observation on AOS regarding the SP10 Mk2 ie: 'bang for buck', when I was about, not that long ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 22:03:32 GMT
I love it when my TT goes round and round. 😉
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Post by robbiegong on Dec 8, 2021 22:21:08 GMT
I love it when my TT goes round and round. 😉 I prefer that my platter does  |
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Post by antonio on Dec 8, 2021 22:34:16 GMT
Kevin, it appears you may be thinking of diminishing returns, one mans great 'bang for your buck' may not equal someone else's. I'm sure your tt is great for the money you have spent, and like as been said, it would better many tt's at double and triple the cost, but to get improvements Robbie and Bigman are talking about you need to go to the next model up, actually reminds me of a certain amplifier.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 2:06:29 GMT
Kevin, it appears you may be thinking of diminishing returns, one mans great 'bang for your buck' may not equal someone else's. I'm sure your tt is great for the money you have spent, and like as been said, it would better many tt's at double and triple the cost, but to get improvements Robbie and Bigman are talking about you need to go to the next model up, actually reminds me of a certain amplifier. No, I am thinking of the cost vs the improved wow and flutter. The SL1200 is good, and I very much doubt I can hear the difference in performance, using the same arm and cartridge. |
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Post by antonio on Dec 9, 2021 3:01:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 5:32:37 GMT
The SL1200 has a wow and flutter measurement of 0.025% according to the specs.
The SP10 Mk2 has a wow and flutter measurement of 0.025% according to the specs.
What does that €4.5k get me?
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Post by lurch on Dec 9, 2021 5:54:57 GMT
The SL1200 has a wow and flutter measurement of 0.025% according to the specs. The SP10 Mk2 has a wow and flutter measurement of 0.025% according to the specs. What does that €4.5k get me? Earache from the missus coz you now can't afford the new handbag and shoes she wants. |
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Post by macca on Dec 9, 2021 8:21:11 GMT
The SL1200 has a wow and flutter measurement of 0.025% according to the specs. The SP10 Mk2 has a wow and flutter measurement of 0.025% according to the specs. What does that €4.5k get me? Agree it is not 4.5K of improvement. What's the wow and flutter on a £40 DVD player? - 0% Sort of puts it all in perspective. |
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Post by rexton on Dec 9, 2021 8:35:31 GMT
This discussion reminds me of when I tried the latest and greatest platter for the 1210 costing about £1K roughly 10 years ago. I'd been using (and still own), the mike new steel and copper platter. I can remember that the new platter slightly edged my older platter, but not by £1K! I recieved a proper roasting claiming I must be deaf, the newer platter was leaps ahead of the rubbish I was using etc etc. In the end I came to the conclusion that what matters is how I feel when I listen to the music. I do watch the pennies and I'm more than happy to splash to cash when the right piece of kit drops my way.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 9, 2021 9:05:39 GMT
The SL1200 has a wow and flutter measurement of 0.025% according to the specs. The SP10 Mk2 has a wow and flutter measurement of 0.025% according to the specs. What does that €4.5k get me? Agree it is not 4.5K of improvement. What's the wow and flutter on a £40 DVD player? - 0% Sort of puts it all in perspective. Certainly does when you listen to that DVD player. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 9:13:33 GMT
It might be that my simplistic view is wrong, but as I have a high quality bearing (sapphire thrust plate/cermic bearing, running in PTFE bushes) and a good platter, the wow and flutter is suitably low that I don't need to worry about upgrading the deck, as long as it still works. My FX1200 is good enough, (especially with the Houdini) that I have given up about searching for a new TT.
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Post by optical on Dec 9, 2021 9:18:09 GMT
It might be that my simplistic view is wrong, but as I have a high quality bearing (sapphire thrust plate/cermic bearing, running in PTFE bushes) and a good platter, the wow and flutter is suitably low that I don't need to worry about upgrading the deck, as long as it still works. My FX1200 is good enough, (especially with the Houdini) that I have given up about searching for a new TT. I agree, the bit of gear that makes you 'give up' searching for any gear to replace it with, is THE one. Only bit of kit I've experienced that with so far is my 686 amplifier. My Logan's could well also be cementing their place in that category . . . . but I've thought that about the Quads . . . . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 9:27:49 GMT
Out of interest, what have you guys done about the SP10 bearing? It looks to be a similar material to the SL1200, which being honest, is not great.
I assume it is not left standard?
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Post by antonio on Dec 9, 2021 9:34:38 GMT
It might be that my simplistic view is wrong, but as I have a high quality bearing (sapphire thrust plate/cermic bearing, running in PTFE bushes) and a good platter, the wow and flutter is suitably low that I don't need to worry about upgrading the deck, as long as it still works. My FX1200 is good enough, (especially with the Houdini) that I have given up about searching for a new TT. Good, you've got a great tt, why change now, it is certainly not the weak link in your system. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 9, 2021 9:49:44 GMT
Out of interest, what have you guys done about the SP10 bearing? It looks to be a similar material to the SL1200, which being honest, is not great. I assume it is not left standard? I Angus-ed mine. Forgot what he did to be honest. Last time I asked, an SP10 off Angus was about £1500....I think that may have been in a plinth too. All electronics checked and updated with modern components and the bearing sorted too. Great service. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 9:55:18 GMT
Compared to the prices I have seen recently, it does look like a bargain.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 9, 2021 11:20:00 GMT
Compared to the prices I have seen recently, it does look like a bargain. Yeah, I sometimes forget that I don't shop in "normal" avenues, which skews my perception on pricing a little bit. However, it's not an exclusive avenue that I'm in. It's available to anyone, you just have to know where to look. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 14:05:05 GMT
#Brexshit closed these avenues for me.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 9, 2021 15:32:23 GMT
#Brexshit closed these avenues for me. Surely there must me people like Angus on the continent? |
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Post by pete on Dec 9, 2021 15:43:14 GMT
Out of interest, what have you guys done about the SP10 bearing? It looks to be a similar material to the SL1200, which being honest, is not great. I assume it is not left standard? I Angus-ed mine. Forgot what he did to be honest. Last time I asked, an SP10 off Angus was about £1500....I think that may have been in a plinth too. All electronics checked and updated with modern components and the bearing sorted too. Great service. Is Angus still doing this? And if he is, how should I get in touch with him? |
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Post by robbiegong on Dec 9, 2021 15:49:02 GMT
I Angus-ed mine. Forgot what he did to be honest. Last time I asked, an SP10 off Angus was about £1500....I think that may have been in a plinth too. All electronics checked and updated with modern components and the bearing sorted too. Great service. Is Angus still doing this? And if he is, how should I get in touch with him? You can pm him audioaddictsforum.com/user/275 here Pete |
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