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Nov 27, 2021 4:37:06 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 27, 2021 4:37:06 GMT
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Nov 27, 2021 5:03:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 5:03:07 GMT
Does nothing for me. Looks like a drone that has lost its propellers.
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Nov 27, 2021 5:24:23 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 27, 2021 5:24:23 GMT
My posts cannot make everyone happy Kevin ps. I'll try harder next time
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Nov 27, 2021 6:31:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 6:31:34 GMT
My posts cannot make everyone happy Kevin ps. I'll try harder next time I totally agree on the first point. Everybody has different taste. I was just being honest about what I thought of it. If you like the looks, then I am happy for you, but I have never really been into HiFi porn. (Why else do I have a bunch of plain black boxes?)
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Nov 27, 2021 7:09:41 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 27, 2021 7:09:41 GMT
Only porn aay Kevin Only joking, same as I was in my earlier post, it would be a dull world if everyone liked the same thing, except if everybody liked what I like
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Nov 27, 2021 7:24:11 GMT
Post by firebottle on Nov 27, 2021 7:24:11 GMT
'Reference Turntable System'
Referencing what? Bad taste?
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Nov 27, 2021 8:52:57 GMT
Post by macca on Nov 27, 2021 8:52:57 GMT
looks okay to me, not blingy and it's a direct drive so it will go round at the right speed, unlike a lot of these high-end clunkers.
I like to try and guess the price before I see it. I guessed 20 thousand dollar but turns out that won't even buy you the arm.
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Nov 27, 2021 9:26:09 GMT
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 27, 2021 9:26:09 GMT
I rather like the looks, kind of reminds me of a souped up Oracle, always one of my faves looks-wise. Yup, I'd be prepared to make some room for that.
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Nov 27, 2021 9:28:43 GMT
Post by rexton on Nov 27, 2021 9:28:43 GMT
That's a long review, maybe one for tonight if it starts snowing again.
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Nov 27, 2021 9:29:49 GMT
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 27, 2021 9:29:49 GMT
Yum.
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Post by optical on Nov 27, 2021 9:34:06 GMT
I'm sure it sounds great and is packed with clever stuff but it just doesn't look 'analogue' enough for me.
I don't mind the modern minimalist designs from Clearaudio or Nottingham etc at all, but for me a turntable really shouldn't have a touchscreen....
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Nov 27, 2021 9:36:04 GMT
Post by gninnam on Nov 27, 2021 9:36:04 GMT
Doesn't float my boat either - looks to be trying to hard!
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 27, 2021 10:06:12 GMT
It just needs a remote control and it would be perfect.
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Nov 27, 2021 10:10:33 GMT
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 27, 2021 10:10:33 GMT
And an automatic record cleaner attachment.
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Nov 27, 2021 10:11:17 GMT
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Post by optical on Nov 27, 2021 10:11:17 GMT
It just needs a remote control and it would be perfect. Or voice activation..... Screw it just get Jeeves to change the record and adjust the speed accordingly....
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Post by macca on Nov 27, 2021 10:14:31 GMT
not the real Jeeves though as he would be quite fussy about what music was played on it.
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Nov 27, 2021 10:29:46 GMT
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 27, 2021 10:29:46 GMT
And a hidden S/PDIF coax input, so it looks like you're being cool and playing vinyl, but actually you're listening to a noise free digital stream.
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Post by macca on Nov 27, 2021 11:21:36 GMT
That's the true horror of these super expensive, massively over-engineered turntables. A £200 CD player will better them on every single metric and by a comfortable margin.
Plus it wouldn't surprise me that if you fitted the same arm and cart as on this to a SL1200 Mk2 the differences would be marginal at best.
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Nov 27, 2021 11:28:53 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 27, 2021 11:28:53 GMT
And an automatic record cleaner attachment. At 50 grand it should be obligatory, and wouldn't it just be the bees knees if it changed your lp's as well
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Nov 27, 2021 11:34:24 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 27, 2021 11:34:24 GMT
That's the true horror of these super expensive, massively over-engineered turntables. A £200 CD player will better them on every single metric and by a comfortable margin. Plus it wouldn't surprise me that if you fitted the same arm and cart as on this to a SL1200 Mk2 the differences would be marginal at best. Won't fit Macca, it's 12", and anyway would you really put a £26k tonearm on a Techie?
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Post by antonio on Nov 27, 2021 11:36:43 GMT
'Reference Turntable System' Referencing what? Bad taste? Your taste in tt's is about as good as your taste in trousers by what I've seen
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Nov 27, 2021 12:55:00 GMT
Post by rexton on Nov 27, 2021 12:55:00 GMT
Won't fit Macca, it's 12", and anyway would you really put a £26k tonearm on a Techie? I've got one that's valued at over £5K so why not if it sounds good and the techie is your favourite deck?
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Nov 27, 2021 12:56:27 GMT
Post by macca on Nov 27, 2021 12:56:27 GMT
That's the true horror of these super expensive, massively over-engineered turntables. A £200 CD player will better them on every single metric and by a comfortable margin. Plus it wouldn't surprise me that if you fitted the same arm and cart as on this to a SL1200 Mk2 the differences would be marginal at best. Won't fit Macca, it's 12", and anyway would you really put a £26k tonearm on a Techie? if someone gave me it for free I would. Why not? The motor unit is better than many decks that cost four figures. Move up to the SP10 and there's next to nothing that will touch it at any price. And sorted SP10s can be got for sensible money as a few on here have shown. Forget the cost there's only so good something can be and for a tonearm and motor unit that's well short of needing to cost sixty grand. The price of these things is just fantasy, there's no relationship to performance.
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Nov 27, 2021 13:16:36 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 27, 2021 13:16:36 GMT
If someone gave it to you free folks are always offering me free £26k tonearms, I just keep saying "nah, I'll stick with me Audiomods" Until you have heard this Wave Kinetics I honestly cannot believe you are saying, "it cannot be much better than a Techie", especially with the arguments you have put up on other threads. Maybe this is the one that gets you as close to cd as you can get.
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Nov 27, 2021 13:33:19 GMT
Post by macca on Nov 27, 2021 13:33:19 GMT
If someone gave it to you free folks are always offering me free £26k tonearms, I just keep saying "nah, I'll stick with me Audiomods" Until you have heard this Wave Kinetics I honestly cannot believe you are saying, "it cannot be much better than a Techie", especially with the arguments you have put up on other threads. Maybe this is the one that gets you as close to cd as you can get. No don't get me wrong I'm sure as turntables go it's very good and no doubt better than an SL1200. Lot's of sensible engineering in the design, they have thought it through. But you've got two basic problems with all turntables, which is that beyond a deck as essentially sorted as the SL1200 you've got rapidly diminishing returns in terms of engineering put in vs SQ improvements coming out, and then the limitations of the discs themselves (surface noise, warps, off centre) which cause problems that are going to swamp your little incremental SQ benefit from using fancy materials or whatever. Okay so you might still hear some gains with a perfect pressing but how many of them are there? So yes I am suggesting that it cannot be much better than a Techie, assuming you had the same arm and cart on both. It will be a bit better, maybe. IME phono stages are more variable in sound quality than turntable motor units (beyond a basic standard of quality) are. There is a really noticeable difference between good ones and the rest (i.e most of them).
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 27, 2021 15:36:07 GMT
If someone gave it to you free folks are always offering me free £26k tonearms, I just keep saying "nah, I'll stick with me Audiomods" Until you have heard this Wave Kinetics I honestly cannot believe you are saying, "it cannot be much better than a Techie", especially with the arguments you have put up on other threads. Maybe this is the one that gets you as close to cd as you can get. There is a limitation to how much can be done with turntables, and it doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, physics does not bend under the weight of cash. The SP10 MK2/3, Denon DP80 and Kenwood/Trio one are as close to perfect as possible. The SP10 R is by all accounts a little better on measurements, but not in other areas like repairability. If I won the lottery, it would be an SP10R in a panzer plinth, with Angus's MK8b arm. That would be me happy forever ....... Pretty much as happy as I am now with the SP10 mk2
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 27, 2021 22:58:59 GMT
That deck looks like an avid but given the Simon yorke curves treatment
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Nov 28, 2021 3:11:45 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 28, 2021 3:11:45 GMT
If someone gave it to you free folks are always offering me free £26k tonearms, I just keep saying "nah, I'll stick with me Audiomods" Until you have heard this Wave Kinetics I honestly cannot believe you are saying, "it cannot be much better than a Techie", especially with the arguments you have put up on other threads. Maybe this is the one that gets you as close to cd as you can get. There is a limitation to how much can be done with turntables, and it doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, physics does not bend under the weight of cash. The SP10 MK2/3, Denon DP80 and Kenwood/Trio one are as close to perfect as possible. The SP10 R is by all accounts a little better on measurements, but not in other areas like repairability. If I won the lottery, it would be an SP10R in a panzer plinth, with Angus's MK8b arm. That would be me happy forever ....... Pretty much as happy as I am now with the SP10 mk2 This reply also includes your response as well Macca. Diminishing returns come into play on all items in the hifi chain, how much better can a 40 grand dac/transport be compared to one costing 20 grand? The turntables you have mentioned Bigman are no doubt Premiership tt's, built as you say to "close to perfection", but that was in the 70's and 80's, materials have moved on and so as technology, as well as costs involved in building these hi end tt's. Your lottery win turntable would be fantastic and anyone would be happy with it, but you would, and don't tell me you wouldn't, the clue is in the stylus cleaner, go and have a listen to this Wave Kinetic because you know there is a chance it could well be an improvement. I only posted the piccie on here since there are a few of you dinosaurs left who enjoy their tt's and I thought it looked pretty
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Nov 28, 2021 17:19:55 GMT
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 28, 2021 17:19:55 GMT
Let's be honest at £200 digital transports are done. You need to spend a lot more to get to the same level of diminishing returns on a TT. I'd suggest the sp10R is probably as close to measured perfection as any deck and more cash doest assure better performance, far from it there's loads of flawed 20k decks.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 28, 2021 19:52:45 GMT
Materials and components may we'll have moved on, but your missing one vital point here .......
The materials are pointless if the engineering is Sh#t.
There is an undoubtable and also completely mythical connection between price and performance in the audiophile phycology, and it's bollocks. It's fixed there firmly because people do not know, or understand the basic principles that matter in engineering these devices.
This is evident when when I see turntables on glass shelves with spikes on and some half-wit saying "I have decoupled this turntable with spikes machined from unicorns hoof, that cost me $4.5m"
The golden age of vinyl yielded the best TTs because the research and development arms of Technics, Denon and Kenwood had unimaginable wealth to spend on developing the very best motors etc.
These "Hi-End" charlatans are usually just selling (usually) very expensive bling with the cache of being out of the range of mere mortals. I'm not saying this one is crap BTW, just that I highly doubt it will be any better in Wow/flutter or speed accuracy than a well sorted SP10 MK2 or above.
If it is, it certainly isn't worth the spend.
There are very few, if any turntable that has made significant, or even marginal advancement over the SP10 MK2.
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