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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:54:39 GMT
I recently had a colleague come round and listen to my system, which is the first time that I have had a HiFi visitor since Pinky came to stay… Anyway, we listened to some vinyl, and he was impressed. We got to digital, and we streamed Lou Rawl, the shadow of your smile. He was listening for the sound of an ice cube falling in a glass during the spoken intro, which we could hear, but it was not obvious. Apparently in his system, this is easily heard. So the question is, if you stream this track, is it blatantly obvious, and is my system just Sh#t?  |
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Post by mikeyb on Sept 15, 2021 14:04:18 GMT
I hear it melting 😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:08:32 GMT
It makes no sound? You have a crappier system than mine. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:09:00 GMT
This is the kit the guy has:
Headphones :
- Audio-Technica ATH-ANC7
- Grado SR 325
- Grado PS 500
- Grado PS 1000
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- JBL ARRAY 1000 + 880
- Magnat Quantum Edlestein
Turntable :
- Micro Seiki DQX 500 with MA 707 arm and a Denon DL103 cartridge
- Micro Seiki RX 1500 with a Luné arm and an Audio-Technica AT33sa cartridge
CD/MD :
- Rega Saturn 2000
- Sony MDS-JA20ES
Hifi Amp :
- Integrated (transistor) Goldmund Mimesis 330 with DAC Alizé-4 option
- Integrated (vacuum tube) Cayin 500 1st Edition
- Preamp Parasound Halo P5
- Stereo Amp Parasound Halo A21
A/V receiver :
- Pioneer SC-LX89
Multimedia player :
- Oppo BDP 93 Nuforce Edition
Video projector :
- Sony VPL-HW55ES
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 14:21:13 GMT
How far in is it?
Only have my phone so was just gonna have a little listen and see what you are listening for.
EDIT...which version? there are two on Tidal
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Post by gninnam on Sept 15, 2021 14:26:35 GMT
23 seconds - can hear it through my system  The anthology |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 14:29:38 GMT
23 seconds - can hear it through my system The anthology Ah, ok....i'll give it a whirl in a minute....just gonna dig out my headphones. I'll give it a whirl through the system this evening |
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Post by gninnam on Sept 15, 2021 14:31:46 GMT
I could hear it through my speakers so pretty pleased with my cheap streaming solution |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 14:35:55 GMT
I could hear it through my speakers so pretty pleased with my cheap streaming solution Cant grumble with that! Can't really distinguish it throught the phone speaker....headphones next |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 15:08:21 GMT
I can hear it, but apparently it should be very evident.
I am using Amazon Music to stream.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 15:17:26 GMT
Ok, just tried it via Tidal on a Samsung S10, using JBL earpod things. It's very clear. Can hear the ice cube land and then roll about briefly. Will try on the system later.  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 15:29:55 GMT
@cageyh
Looking at your pals system list, i suspect your Pre may be slightly...possibly lagging behind now.
Having never heard your Triangles, i am not sure what they are capable of. My previous experience of High Class JBLs was a moistening occaison, so it could be that?
Your 686 is better than any amplifier he owns in terms of measured performance, and the DAC is better than the one in the Goldmund on spec.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 17:15:55 GMT
@cageyh Looking at your pals system list, i suspect your Pre may be slightly...possibly lagging behind now. Having never heard your Triangles, i am not sure what they are capable of. My previous experience of High Class JBLs was a moistening occaison, so it could be that? Your 686 is better than any amplifier he owns in terms of measured performance, and the DAC is better than the one in the Goldmund on spec. Hence my recent question. When Alan goes SS as well, it makes me wonder…. |
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Post by firebottle on Sept 15, 2021 17:26:14 GMT
Have you still got the Alps Blue in your Kin Kevin?
If you have that's the bottleneck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 17:40:01 GMT
Yes, I have. Acoustic Dimension can’t get any stock.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 17:40:39 GMT
@cageyh Looking at your pals system list, i suspect your Pre may be slightly...possibly lagging behind now. Having never heard your Triangles, i am not sure what they are capable of. My previous experience of High Class JBLs was a moistening occaison, so it could be that? Your 686 is better than any amplifier he owns in terms of measured performance, and the DAC is better than the one in the Goldmund on spec. Hence my recent question. When Alan goes SS as well, it makes me wonder…. I think the thing to acknowledge is that there is a great sounding preamp in your system, and one that for the price they were sold for is stupendous in quality. The 686 is capable, REALLY capable. IME, the key to uncovering all that capability is coupling it with a preamp that is equally as capable. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 17:47:20 GMT
I still like it. I can live with the very slight “muffling” of an ice cube, that is probably not supposed to be in the recording anyway.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 17:51:35 GMT
I still like it. I can live with the very slight “muffling” of an ice cube, that is probably not supposed to be in the recording anyway. I think if i were you, i would get that Alps Blue out as a matter of urgency. I know it made a huge difference in Alans and another fella's who i heard. The Alps blue will be more to blame than the preamp itself. Wheter it's supposed to be there or not, that ice cube will play on your mind. I'd be doing my nut. If you can live without remote, i can get you what is probably the best stepped attenuator out there. Just let me know. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 18:08:16 GMT
Ok, just realised that I have the sound quality setting on "Normal" for Tidal on my phone. Apparently due to trying to save data. Not on my watch!!! I've just set it to "HiFi" and there's another ice cube at 54 seconds. Very clear and kind of jumps off the page. Take another listen.  |
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Post by electronumpty on Sept 15, 2021 18:09:59 GMT
I agree with Oliver, I had an Alps blue in my Neurochrome headphone amp, swapped it out and the level of detail retrieval, air and dynamics improved markedly. Relatively cheap to realise its full potential.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 18:28:46 GMT
I still like it. I can live with the very slight “muffling” of an ice cube, that is probably not supposed to be in the recording anyway. I think if i were you, i would get that Alps Blue out as a matter of urgency. I know it made a huge difference in Alans and another fella's who i heard. The Alps blue will be more to blame than the preamp itself. Wheter it's supposed to be there or not, that ice cube will play on your mind. I'd be doing my nut. If you can live without remote, i can get you what is probably the best stepped attenuator out there. Just let me know. I need to see if I can find a good remote version first. Convenience and all that…. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 18:31:05 GMT
Ok, just realised that I have the sound quality setting on "Normal" for Tidal on my phone. Apparently due to trying to save data. Not on my watch!!! I've just set it to "HiFi" and there's another ice cube at 54 seconds. Very clear and kind of jumps off the page. Take another listen. I can hear them both, although mine is at 53 seconds.  I could try bypassing the pre entirely, and feed the DAC directly to the 686 to see if it makes a big enough difference to worry about… |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 18:32:46 GMT
I agree with Oliver, I had an Alps blue in my Neurochrome headphone amp, swapped it out and the level of detail retrieval, air and dynamics improved markedly. Relatively cheap to realise its full potential. I knew you were a wise man! Seriously, the Alps blue is to me as out of place in hifi as a SMPS. Neither should even be considered. The remote version of the Phonomac attenuator is astronmical due to the bloody motor assembly. It's actuall cheaper to hire a man servant for every session! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 18:33:39 GMT
Ok, just realised that I have the sound quality setting on "Normal" for Tidal on my phone. Apparently due to trying to save data. Not on my watch!!! I've just set it to "HiFi" and there's another ice cube at 54 seconds. Very clear and kind of jumps off the page. Take another listen. I can hear them both, although mine is at 53 seconds. I could try bypassing the pre entirely, and feed the DAC directly to the 686 to see if it makes a big enough difference to worry about… Give it a go, and i reckon the omission of the Alps blue will be evident. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 18:37:33 GMT
I just tried a new song - “You know how we do it” and I can definitely hear an Ice Cube in this one..
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2021 18:39:11 GMT
I just tried a new song - “You know how we do it” and I can definitely hear an Ice Cube in this one.. Can't beat a bit of HipHop  |
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Post by macca on Sept 15, 2021 20:32:27 GMT
Those JBL Arraus are very good. I've tried to buy some twice but both times I was too late, they sold in hours.
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Post by antonio on Sept 15, 2021 22:32:32 GMT
I just tried a new song - “You know how we do it” and I can definitely hear an Ice Cube in this one.. Is that using the dac as the pre, or have you not changed? I would definitely give removing the pre from the system a go, many prefer to do this. I don't think your speakers are to blame having heard Triangles before, although maybe not your model. |
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Post by antonio on Sept 15, 2021 22:38:19 GMT
Ok, just realised that I have the sound quality setting on "Normal" for Tidal on my phone. Apparently due to trying to save data. Not on my watch!!! I've just set it to "HiFi" and there's another ice cube at 54 seconds. Very clear and kind of jumps off the page. Take another listen. I can hear them both, although mine is at 53 seconds. I could try bypassing the pre entirely, and feed the DAC directly to the 686 to see if it makes a big enough difference to worry about… Can everyone play this link because I can't  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 22:43:59 GMT
It’s not a link…
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I could try bypassing the pre entirely, and feed the DAC directly to the 686 to see if it makes a big enough difference to worry about…
