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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 8:56:20 GMT
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Post by misterc on Apr 5, 2021 9:00:37 GMT
Indeed for around £1100 shipped with vat, fees and the shippers charge that is a good price, worth the effort imho  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 9:02:33 GMT
Indeed for around £1100 shipped with vat, fees and the shippers charge that is a good price, worth the effort imho Says VAT is in the price, but you never know! Postage and packaging To Service Delivery* £46.01 United Kingdom Economy Delivery from outside UK Estimated between Thu. 15 Apr. and Tue. 27 Apr. * You’ll see an estimated delivery date based on the seller’s dispatch time and delivery service. Delivery times may vary, especially during peak periods and will depend on when your payment clears. Domestic dispatch time Will usually dispatch within 2 working days of receiving cleared payment. Taxes
Price displayed includes VAT at 19%. The final charge may be different depending on the delivery address. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 9:29:42 GMT
You bought a pair Oli?
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2021 9:31:01 GMT
19% is the German VAT rate.
if shipping to the UK they shouldn't charge that. You then pay 20% UK VAT on entry.
If they won't sell them without charging German VAT then you will pay VAT twice. And VAT on the shipping. So £857.73 plus £46.01 is £903.74 plus 20% VAT is £1084.49. Plus broker fee maybe £12. Still not a bad deal but best to talk them out of charging German VAT, they don't need to if exporting, but IME they may not know that.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 9:32:54 GMT
Yes. Obviously i am aware they may not work in the room but at that price and having heard them i had to. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 9:33:43 GMT
19% is the German VAT rate. if shipping to the UK they shouldn't charge that. You then pay 20% UK VAT on entry. If they won't sell them without charging German VAT then you will pay VAT twice. And VAT on the shipping. So £857.73 plus £46.01 is £903.74 plus 20% VAT is £1084.49. Plus broker fee maybe £12. Still not a bad deal but best to talk them out of charging German VAT, they don't need to if exporting, but IME they may not know that. I'll drop them a message. see what i can get from them in terms of information. |
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2021 9:40:32 GMT
So you've gone for them? Excellent.
Have a word about the VAT, still early days a lot of people don't get it.
I had one the other day, shipped some equipment to a company in Italy. The Italians contacted them to say they had to pay Italian VAT on import, not part of the deal. So they sent them £300 to cover the Italian VAT, a big chunk of the profit.
I asked if the Italian company were VAT registered in Italy, he says yes. So I explained that they can just reclaim the VAT they paid on import back from the Italian equivalent of HMRC. Bit of silence on the 'phone while the penny dropped.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 9:46:31 GMT
So you've gone for them? Excellent. Have a word about the VAT, still early days a lot of people don't get it. I had one the other day, shipped some equipment to a company in Italy. The Italians contacted them to say they had to pay Italian VAT on import, not part of the deal. So they sent them £300 to cover the Italian VAT, a big chunk of the profit. I asked if the Italian company were VAT registered in Italy, he says yes. So I explained that they can just reclaim the VAT they paid on import back from the Italian equivalent of HMRC. Bit of silence on the 'phone while the penny dropped. Yes, i have gone for them. The 702 did a number on me when i heard them. Ithink they are genuinley fabulous speakers and in truth, i have been pining for a pair since i sold the 880's. I have the use of some Townshend podiums and bars to help with the in room setup so i am very hopeful that i can make them work. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 9:56:09 GMT
They will probably work better in the garage.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 9:57:05 GMT
They will probably work better in the garage. hahahaha....i have already thought that lol We'll see. |
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2021 9:59:24 GMT
The Podiums cost more than the speakers!
Suspended floors are a bastard but there's a way round everything.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 10:04:14 GMT
The Podiums cost more than the speakers! Suspended floors are a bastard but there's a way round everything. yup. They are pricey but i am a lucky to know a guy with spares! |
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Post by misterc on Apr 5, 2021 10:25:07 GMT
Oli
You will have to pay the vat on that purchase, its been that way since January 1st, but to be fair £1100 is still a great price.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 10:31:47 GMT
Oli You will have to pay the vat on that purchase, its been that way since January 1st, but to be fair £1100 is still a great price. Yes, i expected it mate. It's all good. For £1100 its still a bargain. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 10:54:53 GMT
The VAT is already deducted in the sale.
I really hope they work for you.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 11:03:19 GMT
The VAT is already deducted in the sale. I really hope they work for you. Thanks K, Either way i will be moving the Yams on. They have been great and i always wanted to own a pair so i have ticked the boxes. The Heco can hang around a bit and i will have a play with positioning etc. The Piano has been given the green light to be removed so i am hopeful that with some podiums/bars and some careful cabling choices i made recently i will be able to get a good result. Dont care about the VAT. I'll pay it if they ask for it. Planned for the worst lol |
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2021 11:16:39 GMT
Don't forget I want the Yams!
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 11:28:59 GMT
Don't forget I want the Yams! Do you still want them? Yours if you do....100% available now |
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2021 12:03:27 GMT
Yes put my name on them. Mr C didn't want to sell his in the end.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 5, 2021 12:07:18 GMT
The Hecos definitely sound better when not spiked to a wooden floor this destroys the imaging, soundstage and ultimate resolution.
I did a fair bit of evaluation and was recently flabbergasted when I used just the rubber feet that came with the Hecos standing on some compact laminate. The difference was truly night and day, I got as big a lift in SQ as I did when I put my turntable on a very solid piece of furniture.
The soundstage moved a couple of rows back and now had much more 3D depth. Imaging was so remarkably better the separation in recorded information allowed me to hear every part of the recording much more clearly in its own space. Reflected acoustic information could now be heard around the performers and instruments which was totally not there previously. The recorded ambience was also amazingly articulated. Vocals popped and became even more natural and life like.
So just 4 rubber feet the size of M&Ms made the difference. It has to be remembered the Heco 702 is around 30KG so huge mass going through these tiny feet. Hats off to the German engineers they certainly knew what they were doing.
I wont make this post war and peace but I have read a few articles recently that evaluated speaker performance when using spikes or rubber feet and the results were surprising in the measured energy that was bounced back or incorporated into the speaker with spikes. The conclusion is they often ruin the performance of a speaker because they do exactly the opposite of what you want them to do other than mechanically couple them to your floor and stop your speakers rocking!
As with all things however size and mass of your speakers and engineering integrity of your floor may give different results.
However all my above comments will already be of no surprise to you Oli as you know how much better the Hecos sound on the isolated townsend platforms compared to spikes!? I would be certainly tempted myself if they were not so damn expensive!
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 12:44:00 GMT
The Hecos definitely sound better when not spiked to a wooden floor this destroys the imaging, soundstage and ultimate resolution. I did a fair bit of evaluation and was recently flabbergasted when I used just the rubber feet that came with the Hecos standing on some compact laminate. The difference was truly night and day, I got as big a lift in SQ as I did when I put my turntable on a very solid piece of furniture. The soundstage moved a couple of rows back and now had much more 3D depth. Imaging was so remarkably better the separation in recorded information allowed me to hear every part of the recording much more clearly in its own space. Reflected acoustic information could now be heard around the performers and instruments which was totally not there previously. The recorded ambience was also amazingly articulated. Vocals popped and became even more natural and life like. So just 4 rubber feet the size of M&Ms made the difference. It has to be remembered the Heco 702 is around 30KG so huge mass going through these tiny feet. Hats off to the German engineers they certainly knew what they were doing. I wont make this post war and peace but I have read a few articles recently that evaluated speaker performance when using spikes or rubber feet and the results were surprising in the measured energy that was bounced back or incorporated into the speaker with spikes. The conclusion is they often ruin the performance of a speaker because they do exactly the opposite of what you want them to do other than mechanically couple them to your floor and stop your speakers rocking! As with all things however size and mass of your speakers and engineering integrity of your floor may give different results. However all my above comments will already be of no surprise to you Oli as you know how much better the Hecos sound on the isolated townsend platforms compared to spikes!? I would be certainly tempted myself if they were not so damn expensive! Ah, this is a good post. I think the difference the Townsend podiums make is worth the outlay, especially if you are battling room interaction like I am, however you probably don't need to worry too much about that in your room. I'd still expect a response from the installation of podiums in any room, but probably not as much of a deal breaker elsewhere. These Heco speakers left a mark when I heard them and as you know Jim, I wanted a pair since that day at Angus's where we basically installed my system on the end of his speakers lol. It was a showstopper of a sound and I think Angus and I were both reeling from what we'd heard. I'm usually excited about such purchases, but this time I am quite nervous. I know it's a big ask to shoehorn them in. I'll try the rubber feet first, maybe on two huge pieces of wood for bases as I haven't got any compact laminate. It will be good to hear what happens when the Podiums go in. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 13:11:48 GMT
I use rubber feet on my speakers on my suspended floor.
The best of the two options.
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2021 13:16:21 GMT
when are these turning up then?
I think if you can get rid of that piano and use the podiums to solve the floor issue then you should be golden.
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Post by antonio on Apr 5, 2021 13:20:26 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 13:30:45 GMT
when are these turning up then? I think if you can get rid of that piano and use the podiums to solve the floor issue then you should be golden. Dunno...some time between now and 27/4/21 I'm off next week though so could possibly run the Yams up to you then. I'm ok to be without speakers for a bit as I have two bedrooms to decorate and I need to get my preamp built as I'm picking up the Avalon Phonostage PCB off Angus soon. Piano will be advertised for free to anyone who wants it later today. The wheels are in motion |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 13:31:29 GMT
Oh, I hadn't thought about room treatment via AliExpress Don't know why, they do everything else! |
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Post by antonio on Apr 5, 2021 13:47:03 GMT
I think I'd have to get some in this room if I had the Heco's, my Cesti's seem fine though, just plonked them where I thought they should be and haven't moved them.  When I find time from sorting everyone else's hifi problems out I might get round to a bit of experimenting with speaker positioning.  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2021 13:50:32 GMT
I think I'd have to get some in this room if I had the Heco's, my Cesti's seem fine though, just plonked them where I thought they should be and haven't moved them. When I find time from sorting everyone else's hifi problems out I might get round to a bit of experimenting with speaker positioning. Haha.... brilliant. Yes, looks like a nice little rig you have there. |
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Post by jimbo on Apr 5, 2021 14:03:27 GMT
I think they could work Oli. I have hammered mine and although they can play loud and powerful I cannot get the Bass to step out of line in my room. If anything I only just get enough bass, I think the Hecos are really about quality rather than quantity because the bass they do produce seems to be fairly tight and tuneful but certainly not overwhelming.
To be honest I could do with some much bigger speakers probably with 8 - 9 inch drivers!
Decoupling the Hecos from your floor with the Townsend + Gaia 2 Isoacoustics should help a big deal. I would also try putting some massive granite slabs or concrete slabs under the speakers too, anything to stop them exciting the floor!?
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When I find time from sorting everyone else's hifi problems out I might get round to a bit of experimenting with speaker positioning. 